Website is now incomplete with only approx five years of audio and approx. one and one half years of written explanation.This,below,is to be added as a link.
5-27-08. Once again,the City has used technicality as technique to excuse the S/Ws,and has instructed others to follow.All decisions appear to be agenda based to protect previous and past actions of all.The very obvious situation of a deliberate,calculated pattern of harassment for years,and,as part of that, made redundant,repetitive intolerable tapes and cds for hrs and months outside with no one outside with them,at all volumes,has been explained, as not an issue of content, but,as one of volume,which has never mattered anyway in the past,no matter how loud anything was blasted,audible on three streets,and the Starrs/Watrases are smart enough now to keep switching the volume.This just protects the harassment on anyone who dares to set foot in the backyard and pool area.and has essentially shut down any normal living at this residency,again.
5-29-08.There is still the basic problem of what to do about children on this property.The children were raised with this problem,and are now at the age when they should be told to respect and go the police when they need help, not that the S/Ws have police protection to do what they want and there is nothing we could and can do about it.This was hard when the S/Ws directly targeted the kids,let alone with their typical behavior,in general, which was not suitable for any children.The only alternative was to not have children here.From the very beginning, I complained to Det. L.Hawkins that listening to screaming graphic descriptions of violent acts during their horrific family fights and listening to their screaming graphic descriptions of violent acts while they were directly targeting us,banging on the fence,and trepsassing, were not good for anyone, let alone,children.These complaint s were igno red as Det. Hawkins decided instead to service the S/Ws and Atty.R.Yates.
During the last attempt to have the children in the pool,5-10-08,before that,#31,4-04-08, when the S/Ws blasted that redundant awful tape for 2 hrs.,Lori coming outside to restart it,while they stayed in their houses, Lori came outside and yelled,"Sorry to break up your party!" It's not as if they don't know what they're doing.
That was the same" issue" cd blasted for hrs.,for months,deliberately for calculated harassment,while the children were here a lot as I was trying to babysit, which no one could stand for 5 mins.at this point.
For years,the S/Ws gloated and jeerded loudly whenever they got away with another harassment session,with police protection. Again,they knew what they were doing.It's really is kind of surprising that for years the police just didn't seem to "know". Note: John Watras is still scary as he still seem to have that "attitude" that he shouldn't have to leave us alone.Nothing overt lately, just the way he glares and storms in and out between the garages.It is unsettling. Note:Mr.Starr tried to scare me with an atty about the website,(07).It didn't work.Lori tried to scare the webhost.It didn't work.I will always need the website for protection and referral,as the S/Ws will never stop.Mindset and protection.
In LHP,from the beginning,Hawkin's years, the S/Ws could scream threaten,bang,etc.with police protection and then wait to hear by the fence if there are any phone complaints about it so they can call the police to complain that that bothers them,anyone complaining about what they did on the phone.Or they could just call the police to get a patrol car over here by saying somone was talking about them on the phone inside this house,even if no one was. I had to really complain about that,as that actually happened,phone call not about them, patrol car and police ofc. here,complaint,someone was talking about them on the phone inside this house..Det. Hawkins sounded very annoyed and said "What was the problem?He,ofc.,just came to the door!" (?)(?)
5-31-08.Months ago,during more intolerable and grueling harassment sessions by the S/Ws, Mr.Roy Rogers,LHP resident and new appointee to Gov.Crist's Ethic Commission, advised me that he could not discuss any issues until they were properly filed with the Commission, as that would compromise his ability to work on the Commission with them.He was professional. I have since filed those Complaints.The Ethic's receptionist said they've worked with LHP before.
Though not the best avenue for assistance,there are specifics,any avenue for assistance outside the relm of the LHP City Policy is now necessary.Note:As expected,the Ethic's Commission is not the specific agency for the Hawkins/M.Oh situation.Also,it is improper procedure to file more than one complaint with only one complaint workup.
6-03-08. It is approx.$3,500.00 to straighten out the Injunction situation,#25,and proceed against the S/Ws which would more than likely result in a lien siuation which would probably stop them.And, it's initially $5,000.00-$10,000.00 to proceed with the city reimbursement/damages which would, also, probably stop the city from deliberately protecting the S/Ws while they deliberately harass us.So, it's pay more money, or put up with it and be harssed.Or, I can update everyone in LHP and agencies in other cities for assistance.
After the last extended update sessions,there were three days of no deliberate,harassment,redundant, and made cds and we actually used the pool area and pool with had a nine yr.old in the pool for approx. two hrs. without being harassed.We heard one neighbor actually playing music without getting blasted.She/they were home. A big difference. Lori did come out later in the evenings to play regular music,too loud but not that loud,and she did stay out with it for most,but not all,of the time.Lori does, if she sees me alone doing anything in the backyard,chores,etc.,come out and walks between their two houses slammimg the doors,and if I sit in a lounge chair and she hears me moving it, she will immediately bang and move her patio furniture.Typical protected stalker mindset .She has to do something to harass.That is still unsettling.
I didn't create this situation,am obviously not happy with it,and I believe I acted normally to it.It's important to document all this.The agenda based diatribe trying to protect and cover up the S/Ws, their protection,and the city,falls short outside the city.Most doing it couldn't put up with this for more than a few months.
All vulnerbilities were exploited and abused by the S/Ws.There is also a matter of principle involved here.Women home alone with children shouldn't be treated like this,people already ailing shouldn't be treated like this,the elderly shouldn't be treated like this,and people in general shouldn't be treated like this.This was not the addressed standard here.The addressed standard was for the S/Ws.
6-05-08. Citizens on Patrol had their luncheon with it's members receiving their respective mentions and awards.Another agency which did nothing to help,coincidentally set up by Det. L.Hawkins and Sgt.Chris Oh,who got Ofcs.of theYear for doing so,during on of the most horrific years this residency has ever endured,with no help,of course.C.OP.Laraine Schorr received her award and mention for hours completed.Her input into this situation was to drive over here in her C.O.P vehicle and in her C.O.P.uniform and to emphatically state,"Well, you should have moved!" Chief Licata said that she"was speaking for herself." I said,well,she was in a C.O.P.vehicle and in a C.O.P.uniform.
I had called in to say that I had gotten that strip of property mowed between the residencies and I was worried about the neighbors screaming at me about it or trying to get a police report,patrol visit, that it harassed them,that situation still being a lingering problem from the Hawkin/M.Oh policy. See (#4 )and web for years of lawn mowing situatio Ofc.Laura Tyler,Community Liason,praised at the luncheon,is now the C.O.P.coordinator.Who advised these people?
6-19-08.One of the S/Ws' specialities is repetitive noises for hrs.,days, mons.,deliberatley made and done,outside,backyard,different volumes, to harass,torture,and annoy,which it does.Those deliberate,blasting,made, repetitive cds have been off now for a few weeks-that,only taking over six months.,as that behavior is accepted in LHPor maybe only when the S/Ws want to do it-but the S/Ws now have a new production,for about 3 days now,a constant steady dripping beating sound off the main house,backyard, closest to the property line.I don't know exactly what it is.It is coming from the same locations where the S/Ws have a metal dish turned upside down to make a loud dripping clanging sound when it rains and the water streams off the roof onto it.This was exrtremely loud clanging last evening for about 2 hrs,.6-8P.M.,as the water streamed down on it approx.1 inch in diameter.However,once the rain and loud clanging stopped,a steady beating softer drip sound started and never stopped,only droned out by the loud clanging on the upside down metal dish when it started to rain again at 7:45A.M.This whole steady dripping thing is audible in the backyard,this sitting porch,in and this house,the softer more steady dripplng sound, is not any more tolerable than the loud clanging, as it is constantly repetitive.
This is deliberatly done.Taken out of context,as thing are constantly done for the S/Ws, instead of the deliberate harassment pattern,this may not seem to be an annoying issue.But,having endured the past,it is annoying and intolerable,and no one else in LHP could put up with it either.
Help is not expected from Community Liasion,as all they do is clear and assist the S/Ws.When the second commissioner went to Chief Licata with the tapes,Community Liasion inmmdiately did a police camera assist for the S/Ws,placing the camera on the water gutter on the side of their garage closest to this house,by their backyard gate .(?) The S/Ws then positioned and moved the camera on our backyard pool,grill, and sitting area, and on our sitting room porch screened in windows,5 ft.vertical, 24 ft. horizontal,to see into the porch and house also.What was this?! This shocked everyone.I had complained for yrs.,that all Mark Starr did was watch us,he could see over the 6 ft, shadowbox fence,take pictures of us,harass us and continually think of ways to harass us,and lie about us.I honestly thought he was approaching voyeurism.Now, Mark could sit in his house and watch us.There was no privacy.Company was not comfortable and would not sit in the backyard or porch.I had to thinkof what to do,as there were no trees,foliage in that spot.I attached an umbrella tilted to the top of a long PVC conduit and used twine to tie the umbrella in at least 3 different places to a tree to the side and down to the top of the 6 ft fence.It took at least 20 mins.to put it up right and secure.Then,either, Mr.Starr or John Watras would move the camera,as Mark would loudly complain he couldn't watch us, which is beyond creepy, and I would have to set the whole thing up again,sometimes by just a few inches.It was portable so I could do that.Once,when I was repositionig this,I could hear Mark Starr yelling from inside their house to stop bothering him..Mr.Starr came outside to loudly complain that the umbrella thing was on his property,which it wasn't.Repositionig this umbrella thing was like a regular chore as taking out the garbage or brushing the pool,as Mr.Starr and John Watras keep repositioning the camera on different parts of this backyard or house It was a big scary inconvenience to say the least,and I had to try to do this when they wouldn't come outside to bother me while I was doing it.I really did complain to anyone I could in the City about the whole thing and what was the logic behind it,but city policy is city policy.I wasn't emailng then for help,I hadn't thought of it.After over a year, the camera was turnd upright and not used.It probably needed upkeep.I doubt if anyone in the city told them to stop,and if they did, they would never tell us,as we never got any victim status,to say the least.What was particularly nauseating was that the S/Ws were telling anyone they could that the the police had put that camera up to protect them from us,Lori and Mark of course yelling it in the yard so the neighbors had to hear.We were worried about that affecting our pending civil case,as if the city could actually do any more harm to it.
That deliberate dripping and clanging, metal dish assisted, noise is still going on, this sesssion,now reaching 16 hrs.,and this will probably not stop by them.Should I ask people in Boca to ask the police there for advice about this situation as there, they don't work exclusively for the S/Ws.
6-21-08.I would like to thank whoever is responsible for stopping that cd/tape technique situation.
After emailing over the clanging/dripping situation,Chief Licata sent Ofc.G.Siegel over here, who was professional.He talked to Mr.Starr who said he didn't "know" that that was happening and he would talk to Lori about it later as it would upset her to talk about it then.The S/Ws are very good at what they do.But, the clanging/dripping technique did stop.
I did call Chief Licata as I was worried about a rash of retaliation nuisance police calls from the S/Ws, a trumatic reality which had been too much to deal with along with the harassment,and reminded him there was an Injunction against the S/Ws causing lying on police reports.Chief Licata said that as long as I was harassing commissioners/others,he would send police here,saying harassing was the inappropriate word, when I questioned that.He tried to minimalize the cd/tape technique as one neighbor just not liking another neighbor's choice in music.(see#33).He also said that he did not know what was going on and it was my fault for not calling the police. (?) What was this?I have explained and explained about what happened when anybody dared to call the police about the S/Ws and why everyone just stopped trying.(see all).Please be reminded when I dared to complain about the intense harassment with evidence and help from others,the result was an intrusive camera and no help with the Injunction.(see#25)He also said that a lot of situations were in the past.Trying to nullifying bad actions in the past when the ramifications are still being dealt with in the present is useless toward solution.(#26).
Standard rhetoric has already been replied to and I won't do it again.The bottom line is we,others,and children were intensly harassed and targeted and there are no apologies as to what it takes to stop it. Thank you,Gail. And again, thank you to whoever stopped the cd/tape technique.
6-21-08. 3P.M.That was short lived.Lori is once again blasting that specific cd,without being outside with it, the one that became an issue,blasted deliberately for hrs.,for months,for harassment,she coming outside just to restart it,as she couldn't stand it for hrs.either.(see#33) We were seen trying to use the pool area. audible in this house and sitting porch.No one could stand even 10 mins.of this after thepast 6 months.She's made a longer versions so she doesn't have to come outside to restart it,lower volume somewhat.Who is advising her? I called.Ofc. Siegel is not working today.Mindset.Deliberate.She turns it down to very soft when someone stops by,probably a healthcare worker,but does not stay outside with it.Why isn't she outside with it?now or in the past 6 months?
6-23-08. It appears that the only way for any type of normal living here is to proceed with the injunction violation process,that requiring a police report to start.I left a message for Chief Licata asking him if I could have that.6-22-08.12 Noon.specific "issue"cd played,too loud,audible this backyard,porch room,inside house,deliberate,short period of time
6-26-08 Note: Before we hired a really good atty.and got the settlement agreement/injunction for supposed protection,Comm.Lia. said that the S/Ws had not stalked or harassed,said the the Judge was just going to throw the case out when it got before him, said nobody cared about my civil suit or the tapes,and said that the S/Ws could send the police to this residency for whatever they wanted and as many times as they wanted as it as city policy to not get sued. (?) Chief Licata did,after two commissioners went to him,however,say that the targeted screaming nd threats at this residency,for hours, sanctioned by Comm. Lia,,HawkinsM.Oh policy, for over five years, was unacceptable behavior and would not be tolerated,and after some time and more calling, they were reduced to shorter outbreaks,this still not tolerable by any normal standards as they were disarming and vicious,the mindset still determined.Comm.Lia.,Hawkins/M.Oh, should have told the new Chief and the newer Ofs. the truth and maybe the responses and coverups would not have been so obtuse.It is relatively lame to think that anyone would put up with all this without complaining,even if the standard avenue for complaints was blocked. Where are all the complaints and requested complaints?
6-24-08.Months after the injunction,the S/Ws were still trespassing and harassing,at a lesser rate,not hrs.,between the garages and it became necessary to put up a fence they couldn't bang on to stop this Community Liasion said I could not stop people from getting out from their backyard(?),said no one down the police station could read a survey(?),drove over here,took a picture of the fence,took the picture to the code board,called me up and told me it was not necessary and "asked"me to take it down.I said no. This was after the Comm.Lia.camera up fiasco. After the S/Ws finally removed the fence pieces between the interior backyard, including the18 ft. piece they threw in this yard,Lori stood on the property line with a camera yelling,"OK,as-----,now I can take your picture!" and did,at Andy as he was trying to brush the pool,and she sat in a chair right on the property line,8 ft off the pool,staring a the pool and house,with the camera.Mr. Starr was in a chair further back in their yard.We had to get out of the backyard.Comm.Lia.said if I could tape her,Lori could do that(?).The S/Ws moved further back into their backyard from the property line to harass as it is one thing to do it behind a 6 ft. fence for hrs.,and another thing to do it standing or sitting on the property line,visible. Note:Lori and John Watras did call and get a patrol car over here when I tried to take pictures,of John Watras trespassing and waving at me when he did it with Lori outside with him.They said it was harassing them.I did complain that John Watras was trespassing with an injunction.He would have had to be in the bushes,as they hadn't trimmed that back yet. Nothing was done about that and Lori and John just got another patrol car over here.see(#24) and (#25)This incident was mons.afterLor's sit down at the property line.I did not regulaly take or take intrusive pictures.On that day,John was out there so long,I had time to go inside and get the camera. There are many more of these, which probably have to be noted to stop the lying,I was in constant contact with Comm.Lia.,Chief Licata,and one commissioner who didn't deserve to get involved with this mess, for some time.Comm.Lia.was like a juvenile backup for the S/Ws who weren't kidding ,they weren't. going to stop and by now, this was all they were doing,daily.Comm.Lia.put a younger Ofc.on the situation to in essence clear the S/Ws by saying he wasn't there for most it,and in essence clearing the Hawkins/M.Oh policy and the mess they made of it.Comm.Lia. essentially cleared and propped up the S/Ws, as they had been doing all along,but this approach had to be different as now,different people were looking at the situation.This attitude was very unsettling to put up with along with the S/Ws'behavior. The police have to stop lying and saying I and others did not contact them and they did not "know"what was going on.This Catch 22 policy of not helping when people call,which stops people from calling, and then trying to say people didn't call, is over.New neighbors still naively called. The was always activity and awareness of this situation. I've never stopped trying to stop the harassment and stalking, even if it's down to emailing, as it is always at the point where there is no choice.Once again, the police have to finally stop saying they did not know and nobody told them. It was a big,big issue from the very beginnng about Lori smashing that fence.We tried and tried to get it stopped.but it was standard police policy,Hawkins/M.Oh policy, that Lori could beat on the fence alone or with all or some of the three men standing next to her, and there was nothing we or anyone could do about it,and it went on for years, standard police policy,no stopping it. It is a necessary part the injunction.Hearing now, that the police did not "know" about this,is astounding, as it was while putting up with it while trying to stop it.The police have to stop this.Where did all the complaints go?
6-24-08.Months after the injunction,the S/Ws were still trespassing and harassing,at a lesser rate,not hrs.,between the garages and it became necessary to put up a fence they couldn't bang on to stop this Community Liasion said I could not stop people from getting out from their backyard(?),said no one down the police station could read a survey(?),drove over here,took a picture of the fence,took the picture to the code board,called me up and told me it was not necessary and "asked"me to take it down.I said no. This was after the Comm.Lia.camera up fiasco. After the S/Ws finally removed the fence pieces between the interior backyard, including the18 ft. piece they threw in this yard,Lori stood on the property line with a camera yelling,"OK,as-----,now I can take your picture!" and did,at Andy as he was trying to brush the pool,and she sat in a chair right on the property line,8 ft off the pool,staring a the pool and house,with the camera.Mr. Starr was in a chair further back in their yard.We had to get out of the backyard.Comm.Lia.said if I could tape her,Lori could do that(?).The S/Ws moved further back into their backyard from the property line to harass as it is one thing to do it behind a 6 ft. fence for hrs.,and another thing to do it standing or sitting on the property line,visible. Note:Lori and John Watras did call and get a patrol car over here when I tried to take pictures,of John Watras trespassing and waving at me when he did it with Lori outside with him.They said it was harassing them.I did complain that John Watras was trespassing with an injunction.He would have had to be in the bushes,as they hadn't trimmed that back yet. Nothing was done about that and Lori and John just got another patrol car over here.see(#24) and (#25)This incident was mons.afterLor's sit down at the property line.I did not regulaly take or take intrusive pictures.On that day,John was out there so long,I had time to go inside and get the camera. There are many more of these, which probably have to be noted to stop the lying,I was in constant contact with Comm.Lia.,Chief Licata,and one commissioner who didn't deserve to get involved with this mess, for some time.Comm.Lia.was like a juvenile backup for the S/Ws who weren't kidding ,they weren't. going to stop and by now, this was all they were doing,daily.Comm.Lia.put a younger Ofc.on the situation to in essence clear the S/Ws by saying he wasn't there for most it,and in essence clearing the Hawkins/M.Oh policy and the mess they made of it.Comm.Lia. essentially cleared and propped up the S/Ws, as they had been doing all along,but this approach had to be different as now,different people were looking at the situation.This attitude was very unsettling to put up with along with the S/Ws'behavior. The police have to stop lying and saying I and others did not contact them and they did not "know"what was going on.This Catch 22 policy of not helping when people call,which stops people from calling, and then trying to say people didn't call, is over.New neighbors still naively called. The was always activity and awareness of this situation. I've never stopped trying to stop the harassment and stalking, even if it's down to emailing, as it is always at the point where there is no choice.Once again, the police have to finally stop saying they did not know and nobody told them. It was a big,big issue from the very beginnng about Lori smashing that fence.We tried and tried to get it stopped.but it was standard police policy,Hawkins/M.Oh policy, that Lori could beat on the fence alone or with all or some of the three men standing next to her, and there was nothing we or anyone could do about it,and it went on for years, standard police policy,no stopping it. It is a necessary part the injunction.Hearing now, that the police did not "know" about this,is astounding, as it was while putting up with it while trying to stop it.The police have to stop this.Where did all the complaints go? could file the necessary police reports to start the violation proceedings.There has been a big problem with police reports and complaints.(see#25).
6-26-08.I have asked Chief Licata if I could file the necessary police reports to start the violation proceedings.There has been a big problem with police reports and complaints.(see#25). 6-26-08.Toni,Code Board, Is there a reply to#32? emailed 4-28-08.Thank you, Gail The S/Ws have never ultimately denied doing these things.They just said we couldn't stop them from doing these things.Initially they tried about the trespassing,but it didn't work
6-30-08 For years,the S/Ws'screaming,banging,threats,loud made tapes and loud music got worse in retaliation if anyone called the police.TheS/Ws also loudly jeered and gloated in their front and backyards after getting away with it.They knew what they were doing. People just stopped calling the police and the police said that that was the problem and still are trying to say that now.Hawkins/M.Oh policy.Insulting,juvenile and unethical
2006.Settlement agreement/injunction.For protection and to counteract police protection.Trespassing:Between the garages.For years,this is where theS/Ws trepsassed,screamed and threatened.It was important to stop this.TheS/Ws have approx.5 ft.of property there,plants and bushes.When JohnWatras was alone,he ran as fast as he could through on this side,because he knew he didn't belong here.However,when the other three were there,the harassment and trespassing spurts took place and the injunction states they were not to encourage this. I showed Comm.Lia.the survey,fence permit.and injuntion and the police counteracted by saying the property line could or had not been defined.JohnWatras didn't deny being there.He was just protected by police policy and it continued,so I put up the orange plastic fence.Already explained.
The made cds and the "issue''cd: "Issue" cd. This was in German and blasted at vaious volumes for
hours, for rmonths,outside,Lori coming outside to restart it and to do this mock goose step marching dance to it when she restarted it or for periods of time when she wanted to do this dance to it.This was to harass us and the new tenants,south connecting backyards,who were trying to use their backyard and pool area.The owner had already gone through it with the S/Ws and their cops,and had moved into the new house he had built down the street.Lori could be heard saying how much better it was that they were gone,as that house was empty for awhile.Now,there were tenants who wanted to use the backyard and pool.This blasting cd was absolutely unbearable and deliberately done.TheS/Ws were not outside with it.This was a really big overwhelming problem, again.This was a particular dilemma for me as was I babysitting a lot during this period and the grandchildren were trying to use the backyard and pool.We had had to keep children out of the yard for months and years because of the S/Ws' harassment.I really didn't think the police would help,and I really didn't want to call with the children there as they would see the police probably say it was ok to do this,as they always did,and the S/Ws would probably do it worse and gloat in front of them.I actually didn't even want to try this alone without the kids and have to put up with the ramifiactions but I definitely wasn't going to try it with the kids there and Lori was doing it when they were trying to use the backyard and pool.The kids were at the age when you want to tell them to call the police when there's a problem like this,not, have a problem like this and really,really hope the police don't show up and make it worse.I definitely had a dilemma and the siuation was unbearable.So,I tried asking the code board if this was a code violation, for some type of help,but there was no reply,and you can be sure code board told the police about it.
I watched as the neighbors were reduced to standing by their backyard fence,waiting for Lori to come outside,to ask her if she would turn that off,she said no,she didn't have to,and that was that,and of course, we all got really blasted later.
By this time, I had already stated emailing about this whole mess,from the beginning.On, 5-22-08,I was told by a former Comm.Lia.Ofc. that the redundant made tapes/cds would not be stopped,as it was volume,not content.Volume had never mattered. TheS/Ws had blasted everyone for years with no ramifications.I emailed over ten people,again,complaining about the problem in general and the policy explantion.The problem subsided,started up again,I emailed again,and the problem subsided. I do not know who to thank.Chief Licata said that maybe theS/Ws got tired of hearing it.I had to remind him
that they were not outside with it.I think he will probably stop saying that people did not call in or use proper procedure regarding this whole matter for years,as it is an ineffective excuse/technique left over from the Hawkins/M.Oh policy.
7-03-08..Still no reply or paperwork from the code board about theS/Ws throwing that 18 ft.,6 ft.shadowbox fence piece into the yard,an injunction violation(#32).This was not an "accidental"dropping or falling of a bad fence piece in need of repair.On that day,I was inside home alone.I could see and hear Mark Starr talking to this really big guy in their backyard about the fence.I thought he was finally going to repair it.Instead,he moved and dislodged that piece,the one stuck on the 45 degree angle facing the S/Ws' yard, a few feet to the north and let it drop into this yard and immmediately left.I immediately called Toni,as this was on a small palm tree I was trying to keep.Toni asked me if I got his license,no, was there a name on his vehicle,no,and did I ask him what he was doing I said, he left so quickly,I would have had to run into the road and across the median to stop the truck,and I wasn't going to do that then.I really had gotten taken by surprise.I wanted that fence piece off the small tree and and removed.Weeks later,I could hear John Watras yelling to the others in their backyard that they had to do something with the fence as the order and paperwork had gone through.That same big guy came back and removed that fence piece and took down the other piece,the one stuck on a 45 degree angle toward this house,that one having already bent the other palm tree for over 5 months,and those fence pieces are still in the S/Ws backyard right up to this property line to date.Mr.Starr, Lori, Mark,and John were there for this and made as big a production as they could over this along that property line.They wanted that big guy to do something else but he seemed kind of wary this time and said no.I was inside the house while this was going on.Then later,Lori,really mad she didn't have a fence and expressing it,sat in chair right on the property line,8 ft.off the pool with a camera, Mr.Starr sitting further back in their backyard,and yelled at Andy when he tried to brush the pool, "Hey, a------, now I can take your picture!" and took many and we had to get out of the backyard or put up with it.Comm.Lia. said she could do this,already explained.They later stayed away from the property line, harassing with that visibility,no barrier fence,a problem,already explained.Toni then called me to tell me that since the fence was down,we were responsible for providing new one,and that whole fence problem,trespassing,banging,barrier,etc.surfaced.When the fence came partly down,Toni said we could not repair it,remove it,or push the piece hanging over on ourside,45degrees, back over to the S/Ws' side so it would fall on their property.We didn't even think or ask about that last part.We were immediately told that.Then the S/Ws did whatever they wanted,even violating an injuntion order.
Where is the reply and paperwork?Complaints really have a way of disappearing in this city.I guess this means we're going to read about the city the giving the code board an award for something.It does get rather annoying to keep reading about everyone giving each other awards while this fiascio goes on.
Note: Right after the hurricane when the fence was down on 45 degree angles,Mr.Starr was cleaning out his pool sludge by throwing it on this side of the fence and banging the pool broom/skimmer pole on the fence while he was doing it I was home alone,inside the house,and it was so loud I looked outside to see what the banging was.This was of course, not the biggest problem then,etc.,but the S/Ws never miss an opportunity.They have to be told not to throw things in this yard.
Where is the reply and paper work for the Injunction violation process?This was definitely an issue with enough complained,said,and done about it,before,during,and after it.There was a lot of communication.
7-05-08. Injunction/settlement violations. I am still waiting for the reply/paperwork on this fence piece thing. That was the first complaint of the injunction violation
. Then there were the trespassing,harassment between the garages injunction violation complaints,with the S/Ws calling and getting patrol cars over here,and lying to the police.(4-06),minimum three times.I was in constant contact with Code Enforcement,a Comm.Lia.Ofc.,and the Chief.I thought I had done everything right.I thought I was covered with the whole thing and complaints,and I did complain,everytime.One of them could have told me I wasn't doing something right, if they are still trying to use the improper procedure excuse/technique.I was also in contact with one Commissioner who didn't deserve to get involved in this mess.The end result of this part of the whole thing was no help and more problems.I'm still trying to get the specifics on doing this injunction/settlement violation correctly.I probably will have to use the atty.to get this done right,but that is another expense.
Also,it is implausible and inexcusable,if it was tried,and/or will be tried,for people with an order not to trespass with a violation fine that steep,not to know they were,or where the property line was.Especially since right after the hurricane when the fence came partly down,theS/Ws immediately called code enforcement and the police,Com.Lia.,who did show up,and Mr.Starr was outside and by the fence adamently waving his survey around to prove the base of the fence was on his property,which he showed them,the fence and space between the garages,the same interior property line.
7-7-08.Code Enforcement.Toni, Could I please have a reply or the paperwork,as the only way for any definite normal living here is to proceed with the injunction/settlement violations. If it is necessary to know the identity of the person who dislodged that18 ft.piece and put it in this yard,the S/Ws know who he is as he is the same person who came back to remove it and the rest when the order for removal was given, weeks after I complained about him putting it there.If you remember correctly, you said we could not remove,repair,or prop up the fence in any manner that would cause it to fall on the S/Ws'side.When that person dislodged it and put it in this yard,there was nothing to hold it up on theS/Ws' side,and the base was still on S/Ws' property,so we had to wait.It is ironic that after over 5 yrs.of banging on the fence and it being used as a barrier to harass,and after over 5 mos.of looking at it in disrepair including a deliberate injunction violation,and after trying to figue out how to put another one up without them smashing it and again using it as a barrier,we were the ones who got liened and fined. If you don't want to do this,can you refer this to the Acting Chairman?Thankyou,Gail
Chief Licata's latest excuse ito defend the S/Ws is that they handled the paperwork better than I did.Apparently,this overides the banging,threats,screaming,trespassing,deliberate harassment,etc.for yrs.He ought to stop saying this as it takes time to counteract it.
7-09-08. I didn't get a reply from Toni about my requested information by email or by phone as Chief Licata suggested trying.No reply.
But a code enforcement ofc.in a police code enforcement vehicle just came here with a citation slip that says we have to go to the bldg. dept and reapply for a new permit.That is $56.00 and a lot of paperwork. The fence has been up since1-08.I believe that this is already quite a known situation,and, not a good one.Apparently it's not known enough.Where's my requested infor.?
Shortly after a lot of emailing and calling,Toni called me,2:00P.M.she said it was all a mistake, that she had sent the code ofc.to take the notice off our door,and I said when I went to the door to see why he was there,he handed me the notice,and she said he didn't know what he was doing.She said the situation was closed.She said the bldg. dept.could give me something in writing,which I asked her about to aviod any more off this.I asked her about my complaint to her about the S/Ws throwing that fence in our yard and the S/Ws being told to remove that piece and the rest of the fence.She said neither the code board nor the bldg. dept. would have told the S/Ws to do that because it was "our" fence. (????) I reminded her that she told us it was the S/Ws' fence and we couldn't remove it or repair it, -already explained and explained with many calls to her about it-, and we had to look at it like that for over 5 months until they threw part of it in our yard and someone told them to clean it up.She said she didn't remember.I called the Bldg,Dept.which said that that would have come from code enfor.I left a message for Chief Licata describing this situation,and reminded him to stop saying" I" did not handle things right.
7-10-08.There will be no normal existance regarding the S/Ws until the injunction/settlement process proceeds.Having become invincible in LHP,the S/Ws tried to branch out to other cities.Luckily,there is a different level of sophistication,the S/Ws are obvious,and they didn't get too far.But,it was very, very unnerving to hear what they kept trying to do,a lot of it we found out about by them screaming it at us,this along with the general screaming,banging, threats, trespassing,etc.,sanctioned in LHP.Hence,the website, for protection inside and outside of LHP and to stop the misinformation.
The problem,coverups and bad paperwork,exhibited just recently by trying to get basic work from the codeboard with a really inane excuse,that situation not yet resolved.. Hawkins/M.Oh had enough small town savvy to really run this around in circles with a 'too bad' attitude,still inexplicible.For instance,incidents were reduced to the complaint sheet,no matter how lengthy,obtuse,or how many witnesses there were,or not reported,or reported wrong, with no recourse, the policy being the policy,along with straight out sanctioning the S/Ws,this while Atty.Yates tied things up in civil court until we hired a really good atty to stop it.I am trying to do as much as I myself,and 7-09-08 was really an eye opener as to how much it would cost to get an atty. through this maze.As already explained and explained,a younger newer ofc.was put on this case,pretty much informed and trained to follow bad city policy,cover for the S/Ws,and cover for the mess Hawkins/M.Oh made out of it.There were injunction violations during this period.I am not looking forward to hrs.and hrs.of getting through that maze too.But,the only solution is to proceed.Essentially, it was over five months,after the settlement agreement went into effect,of deliberate,knowing,'in your face'trespssing and harassing,nuisence police calls, lying to the police,etc.until I finally just put up that plastic fence to stop it some of it.There are other violations of a different sort after this period.
7-10-08.There will be no normal existance regarding the S/Ws until the injunction/settlement process proceeds.Having become invincible in LHP,the S/Ws tried to branch out to other cities.Luckily,there is a different level of sophistication,the S/Ws are obvious,and they didn't get too far.But,it was very, very unnerving to hear what they kept trying to do,a lot of it we found out about by them screaming it at us,this along with the general screaming,banging, threats, trespassing,etc.,sanctioned in LHP.Hence,the website, for protection inside and outside of LHP and to stop the misinformation. The problem,coverups and bad paperwork,exhibited just recently by trying to get basic work from the codeboard with a really inane excuse,that situation not yet resolved.. Hawkins/M.Oh had enough small town savvy to really run this around in circles with a 'too bad' attitude,still inexplicible.For instance,incidents were reduced to the complaint sheet,no matter how lengthy,obtuse,or how many witnesses there were,or not reported,or reported wrong, with no recourse, the policy being the policy,along with straight out sanctioning the S/Ws,this while Atty.Yates tied things up in civil court until we hired a really good atty to stop it.I am trying to do as much as I myself,and 7-09-08 was really an eye opener as to how much it would cost to get an atty. through this maze.As already explained and explained,a younger newer ofc.was put on this case,pretty much informed and trained to follow bad city policy,cover for the S/Ws,and cover for the mess Hawkins/M.Oh made out of it.There were injunction violations during this period.I am not looking forward to hrs.and hrs.of getting through that maze too.But,the only solution is to proceed.Essentially, it was over five months,after the settlement agreement went into effect,of deliberate,knowing,'in your face'trespssing and harassing,nuisence police calls, lying to the police,etc.until I finally just put up that plastic fence to stop it some of it.There are other violations of a different sort after this period.
7-15-08.Toni, Code Enforcement, Since you have been so actively involved in this situation for years,I am sending you a copy of the settlement agreement.This unexpected and surprising change of procedure for determining fence ownership when it comes to complaints and reports regarding the S/Ws is absurd.
It shouldn't at this point be all that shocking.This technique of changing procedure in determining situations regarding theS/Ws is an old overused story, propping them up and protecting them.For instance, the technique of changing the procedure for determining the property line,Comm. Lia.,so theS/Ws could continue to harass and trespass between the garages through to the front until it was time to pay for a tree to be taken down,then it suddenly wasn't their property, it was ours.code board.Or,the standard procedure set up by Hawkins/M.Oh from the beginning for determining that the S/Ws weren't trespassing, harssing or stalking which stayed,and remains,in effect for yrs.propping them up and protecting them.
Or the procedure for police complaints.As the S/Ws'banging,screaming,threatening,trespassing,etc.was sanctiond in LHP, Hawkins/M.Oh policy, this left it wide open for the S/Ws to do that and at the same time make all the ridiculous police calls they wanted to get patrol cars over here.For instance, the S/Ws said our garage door opener harassed them if they were in their driveway.There were 4 cars and 4 drivers all on different schedules.You have to open the north door and step out about a foot to actually see into their driveway and who's in it,and then open the garage door,this also to try to avoid them harassing anyone in this driveway,and then they said that if they were in their driveway and anyone looked at them, it was harassing them, invoking that staring is stalking thing, and they could get a patrol car over here.When the police came in on their ridiculous nuisance calls,and I said I was complaining that they were continually harassing,etc.us and making ridiculous nuisance calls,my complaint was nullified as the policy was, I was not the one who called in.(?)Apparently, I was supposed to call the station while the police were here to get another patrol car here to complain.And basic complaining got no where as this behavior was sanctioned.TheS/Ws,as they got more invincible, progressed from nuisnce complaints to lying complaints, that,obvious but still acceptable here,and they wanted the paperwork to use to further harass us which I had to really complain about.At the beginning, I was in constant contact with Det. Hawkins who said he was handling and filing my complaints, the result being a costly civil suit to counteract the mess he and others made.
(2008)Settlement agreement.There will probably be this same type of blockage attempt for the entire injunction process.However, there is other evidence, pg.3,#4,G states that the S/Ws shall not cause the filing of a false police report, with a very stiff fine, the S/Ws can be questioned on a standard police report, nullifying the flimsy coverups.TheS/Ws are very good at what they do,but they are definitely not going to get into a situation to be fined for the same thing twice.A few weeks ago,during the first power outages when the A.C.and pool pump were not running between the houses and it was quieter,the S/Ws, obviously having been told by someone that the injunction process was starting,were having a very loud discussion over it, Mr.Starr asking Lori if she could deny some things and Lori yelling, no she would get caught lying,and Mr.Starr saying he would just go "there"and fix it and straighten it out.This has to stop.One of the the first places he probably went was code enforcement.
No one in LHP would have put up with the yrs.of screaming,banging,threatening, trespassing, etc.especially with small children in the pool and backyard.And no one in LHP would have put up with the deliberate months of retargeting into 2008.And no one in LHP would have put up with the inane policies to keep this thing going.
7-l9-08.Lori has been outside early evenings,swimming in their pool and only playing regular music quietly.Nice.However,when we tried to have company,two adults and two children, Sat..afternoon,in the backyard and pool area,the first time in a long time since the last fiasco trying to have company and using the backyard and pool area.Lori saw it and immediately came outside,turned on her cd player and blasted us,audible backyard,porch sitting room,not the loudest,but above average,the entire time,until we got out of the backyard.Then,the music stopped and she did not stay outside.This was regular music,not the "issue" cd,she stayed outside with it and she did not do that dance,but her intentions were obvious.You do not use your backyard,pool,or have comany, or you get a good dose of her.Noone wants to tolerate her.Deliberate,obvious,unnecesary harassment.Mindset.
Information: This starts and the web link will start with INTRODUCTION 2008,about 50 paragraphs down.5-27-08 through 7-24-08 will follow at the end in correct order.The website now has only approx.5 yrs.of audio and one and l/2 yrs.of explanation up and needs to be completed.
7-19-08 I left a message for Chief Licata asking what to do about the police report necessarary for the settlement agreement injunction process about the trespassing violations,as,even though then I spoke to four Ofcs.,one many times, several phone calls,with the injunction instated, and survey,bldg.permit,etc., the city policy was, I get and got no help, with inane,flimsy excuses.-the property line has not been defined,it's someone else's case,not wanting to wait around to see if anyone trespasses,you can't stop people from getting out of their backyard,etc.I left a message for Chief Licata then that this was not just complaining about someone walking on property.This was where they trepassed,harassed,screamed at each other for years,and screamed at and threatened this residency for over five years.This was a very valid complaint.This is one of the closest places they can get at us for maximum input The trespassing was constant and the harassment and yelling were in spurts.They had to be kept out.Hence,after over four months of trespassing and harassment,the plastic fence they couldn't bang on was put up,still up,now a green wire mesh one.Com.Lia.drove over here,took a picture of it to code enforcement,called me up,and told me it wasn't necessary,and"asked" me to take it down.I said no.The S/Ws have approx. five feet of property on that side of the house,bushes and plants.They weren't exacly standing in the bushes and plants when they were doing this.After I put up the fence,theS/Ws had to take down and trim the bushes and plants,and still do to get through on their side.Mr.Starr tried to dispute three inches,saying we added an extention to our garage,to get around this.I don't think anybody is three inches wide.
I thought I was covered by complaining about the trepassing and harassing to patrolmen in patrol cars who were here.TheS/Ws made a lot of ridiculious nuisance calls,this helping to harass us.That policy of nullifying my complaints if I complained about what the S/Ws were doing and about the harassing nuisance calls when the S/Ws got the patrol cars over here,saying I was not the one who called in, was surprising.I guess I was supposed to call the police station to get another patrol car over here to make a valid complaint,even though they were already here.This has already been explained.I did complain about the trepsassing and harassment when Lori and John Watras got patrol cars over here saying I was harassing John by trying to take his picture as he was walking back and forth on this property waving to me with Lori out there with him,already explained,and when they complained I was defacing property by marking the property line to put up the fence,that process already discussed and cleared by Toni before it was done,that assessment remained,the markings gone, used by code enforcement to say the tree that that to be paid for to be taken down was on this property.I guess my complaints were nullified there but I thought they were valid. The point was, there was not help no matter how I complained,for years,anyway.Always a Catch 22.Protection for the S/Ws.This has already been explained,and explained and explained.The only thing that works is emailing.
Perhap the S/Ws should just be asked if they violated the settlement agreement until I put up the fence to stop them.They really can't say they didn't know they were or they didn't know where the property line was,as immediately after the hurricane when the fence came partly down,they called code enfor.and the police,who both showed up,and Mr.Starr was outside by the fence adamently waving his survey around to show the fence was on their property.This is the same interior proerty line extending between the garages out to35 Ct.This also has been explained and explained.
This settlement agreement violation process is necesary for any type of normal living here,that last six months being intolerable and showing just how determined the S/Ws are to continue it.No one would want any more.
The problem is now getting through the maze of whatever police/city paperwork
I do question the logic of having put a younger,inexperienced, newer Ofc.on this to handle the really bad mess others had made out of this, for years.It was inevitable that he would not do something right. This has also been explained.
It is inevitably not very wise to keep covering for chronic harassers,as the victims still have no choice but to counteract it to stop it.This also has already been explained.
-21-08.All protests by Commander M.Oh that he did not know what was going on in this situation and was not instrumental in continuing and covering it up are absurd.Sgt.C.Oh's inlaws,their residency bordering this one on the south side, had a terrible problem with the S/Ws for years before the S/Ws targeted us,they sold their house without telling the new owner who also had a terrible problem,and when he sold the house to someone he thought could handle it, that new owner could not stop it.Sgt.C.Oh and the inlaw both were publicly awarded for their work with C.O.P.S.,no help here,of course,Sgt.C.Oh sharing the Ofc.of theYr.Award with Det.Hawkins.
Com.M.Oh. This juvenile,coverup,running everyone around in circles,preteen attitude has to stop.Com.M.Oh and the S/Ws came to LHP at approx.the same time,recheck dates,and both's activities have been time consuming and expensive,to all. The S/Ws probably cannot be changed and will more than likely always be a problem.
Com.M.Oh should have stopped this situation in a maximun of 6 months.Someone should ask him why he didn't.Or, is he just going to get an award for something?
7-21-08.All protests by Commander M.Oh that he did not know what was going on in this situation and was not instrumental in continuing and covering it up are absurd.Sgt.C.Oh's inlaws,their residency bordering this one on the south side, had a terrible problem with the S/Ws for years before the S/Ws targeted us,they sold their house without telling the new owner who also had a terrible problem,and when he sold the house to someone he thought could handle it, that new owner could not stop it.Sgt.C.Oh and the inlaw both were publicly awarded for their work with C.O.P.S.,no help here,of course,Sgt.C.Oh sharing the Ofc.of theYr.Award with Det.Hawkins. Com.M.Oh. This juvenile,coverup,running everyone around in circles,preteen attitude has to stop.Com.M.Oh and the S/Ws came to LHP at approx.the same time,recheck dates,and both's activities have been time consuming and expensive,to all. The S/Ws probably cannot be changed and will more than likely always be a problem. Com.M.Oh should have stopped this situation in a maximun of 6 months.Someone should ask him why he didn't.Or, is he just going to get an award for something?
7-22-08.One of the S/Ws'specialties is made tapes and cds of repetitive sounds,noises,or music parts,blasted in their backyard deliberately to harass which it does,for hours,for months,for years,protected behavor in LHP,Hawkins/M.Oh,city policy.Then, they don't have to come outside to harass,that,along with the rest of their intolerable behavior,also protected,this already explained and explained.7-2l-08. 3:30P.M.Lori,outside backyard, put on a new made cd,a constant,steady beat,banging,clanging noise,this noise then intermingled with music,and then music by itself,each session approx l5 mins.nonstop connected,audible in this backyard and sitting room porch.I finally visibly put the recorder outside and it stopped, so I could use the pool.I don't like using the recorder, it's time consuming,and this one isn't that good.I've already gone through over 6 good ones.This seems like trivial complaining but it is a technique to harass,and the S/Ws obviously have no intentions of stopping.Who is advising them,as they can pretty much figure out how to beat the system all by themselves?The mind set is unnerving.After over l6 hoursof clanging metal,weeks ago,I did complain.This may have been a reminder they can still do something. I left a message for Chief Licata that there is still a bad attitude problem.Again,unnerving mindset.
7-24-08. Mr.J.Lavisky,City Administrator, I still haven't gotten any requested information,fence, from Toni,code enforcement,and she used a really obvious ineffective excuse/mistruth to try to avoid this.Does everyone who works in this city, paid for by taxpayers,only work for and cover the S/Ws? The only chance for any normal living at this residency is the settlement agreement violation process.The mismanagement on the trepassing and other complaints still needs to be straightened out.I still question the rational of putting the newer,younger,least knowledgable and inexperienced person on this after the mess others had made out of it, for years.Copy of settlement agreement and city letter to be sent
7-27-08..noon.Lori turns on cd player outside and goes inside.She saw me trying to use backyard..Foreign lang,.but not the rebdundant "issue"cd. I really wanted to use the backyard today and really don't want to hear it. This is definitely just to harass,and it does. I left a message for Chief Licata asking for an answer.What is the city policy for the S/Ws deliberately leaving their cd player on outside in their backyard for hours without being outside with it,this being a steady pattern of harassment for years,with different methods,not a typical situation? Once I know what the exact city policy is regarding theS/Ws' usage of this,I can try and figure out what to do about it, and not just deal with it on a daily basis.It is more than likely a settlement agreement violation,especially after that last 5 months,but that has to be processed and there are some holdups on that whole process,already exlpained.l:00P.M Lori switches to regular music and goes in pool. l:45P.M.This time,when Lori goes inside,she turns off cd player,but first,she slams that patio furniture around much louder than lately.She leaves about l hr later.
7-26-08.Four hour marathon.They not outside with it.approx. l2:30- 4:45P.M.Mr.Starr and Lori home.Lori puts cd player on in backyard and comes out to restart it and restart it the entire four hr.time,regular music,regular volume,maybe being outside 45mins.total..Mr.Starr comes out approx.l0 mins,when Lori,visible,comes up to our new fence,complaining,muffled but audible in this sitting room porch,saying she wanted to put up barbed wire,among other things.I visibly put the recorder in this backyard and they both immediately got away from the new fence.I don't want to have to start resorting to this again as it is time consuming and I just don't want to do it anymore.Com Lia.had said no one cared about the tapes or my lawsuit before it was settled.This new more visible fence seems to have been working as a deterent against harassment.
Some of this sounds tivial,but it does have to be documented as the patterned determined mindset to do something is obvious and after so much reinforcement,I don't think it can be changed.
As has been explained and explained,Lori stood behind that 6ft shadowbox fence,as a barrier,with some or all of the rest with her,for hrs..for yrs.,to bang,scream,threaten,talk at,sing at,etc.,this residency shutting down this residency for any normal use.Who told the S/Ws they could do that and what happened to all the complaints? Retiring to the Gulf Coast?
The settlement agreement violation process has to proceed for any normal living at this residency.What happened to all the complaints after it was instated?
7-25-08. The excuse/technique that I did not complain is inaccurate,absurd,and must be stopped.I do not think that a website,settlement agreement,and an atty.'s city letter noting disparity in handling,all costly, is exactly doing nothing.The website wiill probably always have to stay up for protection,the newer ofc.put on the case,probably deliberately,did not seem to know or understand what a settlement agreement was,so he ignored it or was told to ignore it,and the city's response to the letter was that the city was not responsible for the negligent acts of govt.workers.This,after years of complaining with the catch 22 policy.
By 2000,the S/Ws' horrific screaming fights and noise were intolerable, especially along and inside this property line as they entered and exited.Lori Watras's direct statement, thinking she had been ignored, that if people didn't want to hear her scream they could move,that she could make anyone move,that she had made other neighbors move,that we could move if we didn't want to hear her screaming, and then her direct yelling threat that we would never be able to use this yard again,and the events that followed are a chilling reminder that the S/Ws were definitely in the right city to pull this off in,and as time went on,probably knew it more.
Tying to keep victims quiet and cover up,only works,when it does,in single episode incidents,not when there are years of episodes and incidents by determined harassers who don't want to stop,and especially not when there is no option but to continue to complain to try to stop it.
This reinforced determined mindset is a definite problem. Again, this excuse/technique has to stop and never should have been used in the first place.Whose idea was it,along with the rest of the handling? The settlement agreement violation process has to be completed for any type of normal living at this residency.
7-29-08.5:30P.M.Lori really blasts her cd player from their backyard,audible into this backyard and sitting room porch.way too loud.
7-29-08.There's a visibility problem heading north on N.E.28Ave.turning right into N.E.35 Ct.,a two lane street.Approx.l yr.ago,Mr. Starr started constantly entering onto N.E.28 from the wrong lane,the one directly in front of this residency, not being careful in this situaion.Both a car and and a pool cleaning truck with a trailer,entering 35Ct., had to swerve to avoid hitting him.He was also making it a point, if I was anywhere outside, to try to make eye contact with me and give me the finger.Which isn't the point.All four of them had been giving the finger when they entered 35 Ct.by this residency or anywhere else they saw us as their typical standard of behavior.In this case,Mr.Starr should have been looking ahead as this is already a precarious situation, requiring caution while proceeding.After the two near misses, I did complain,as this was not safe.Mr.Starr,and John were really mad and loud about it,Lori blasted the cd player.Then,it did stop for awhile and then started up again.Now,it is too frequent again. John doesn't do it,but, Lori tore out too fast last week doing it.This is only what I see,not how much it goes on.I did complain two days ago as this procedure and behavior pattern are not safe and doing this requirers a degree of caution.It took awhile to complain as there are always ramifications and I already have enough with everything else.I don't know their schedules.Yesterday,I was about to exit the porch by the garage when I saw Mr.Starr at the end of his driveway pulling out to come down the wrong side in front of this house,so.I stayed inside in back of the screen door.He obviouly saw me anyway, as he drove by and gave me the finger,but he looked directly ahead at 28 Ave. instead of trying to make eye conact with me,so I guess things have improved.Lori did blast the cd player,but that could just have been typical,not this. I won't complain again about this, but it should be noted that after two near misses,I did,because it just wasn't safe for anyone entering 35 Ct. And, I only said that someone should tell him to stay on the right side of the road,as a safety precaution,both times.This is not our major problem with them and the other problems are major.
Out of sequence-put in date-rearrange: Maybe the S/Ws could start spending a lot of time at the police station with their protection and advocates.Then, they could scream and threaten anyone out of there who comes there directly from the parking lot.Lori could smash and bang the entryway.They could blast their cd player with their made redundant noise cds for hrs.nonstop.The solution could be the same.It never happpened,there's no proof, and anyone who complains would have to stop,as anyone complaining about this is really,really annoying.The atty. for the city could cite some cases to keep this going.Taxpayers wouldn't mind paying for this.And the victims' rights advocate could maintain that above all,the S/Ws have to do what they want. The last two could get awards for their work.This could go on for years.Everyone involved with this could be together.
And it wouldn't be next to this residency.
7-30-8 l:00 P.M.I just talked to Toni and she said she doesn't know who owns the fence and it isn't her business to know.(?)Who is advising her?Code Enfor. showed up, two men,two police vehicles,took picures,and said they would cite the S/Ws.Does Toni know now who owns the fence and where is the paperwork for the settlement agreement/violation process?Why did she choose to just not give it to me and lie about it? None of this makes sense.
This involves either a $l,000.00 fine or a $5,000.00 fine depending on if it is a first or second violation.Anyone with a fine that steep knows better than to do that.The S/Ws just though they were invincible and apparently,in this city,they still are..
Mr.Starr returned after code enfor.left here.About 20 mins. later,I could hear Mr.Starr yelling and complaining in their front yard.One code ofc.had come back. Mr.Starr really went off on him for at least l5 mins.The S/Ws are not used to not getting what they want in this city.They are still loudly arguing about it inside their house at least a half an hour since the code ofc. left This is not good,and a little too reminiscent of the past when they really ruled.They should have been stopped in a maximum of six months.This mindset is not good.
7-30-08Approx.2and l/2yrs.ago,theS/Ws put the two l8 ft./6ft. shadowbox fence pieces,already l5 yrs.old in the southwest corner of their backyard right up to this property line and just left them laying there.They are now a hazard,rotting,a habitat for rats and iguanas,covered with other debris,and need to be removed.This problem hadn't been addressed because there were too many others to address,but it's been a constant reminder.The problem is,Toni,code enfor.,just told me that it was our fence when I asked her for paperwork concerning the fence,so now how does it get removed?
The injunction/settlerment agreement violation process has to take place for any type of normal living at this residency,this process already compromised,impeded,and thwarted by city policy,and I did already complain about this.I now have been told by Chief Licata that I can ask for the necessary police reports to start it,but there is still a lot of blockage due to past city policy,which is a nicer way to put it.When I asked Toni for paperwork,after many conversations and interactions concerning this fence,she changed the situation.and said we owned the fence.I finally left her a message that she could explain her methods to the Judge at the Hearing as I could no longer figure out what she was trying to do.In the meantime,how does this rotting fence get removed? And who does Toni say owns it to do it?
8-02-08.Sat.late afternoon.Lori regular music,loud,but not way loud,stays out with it sitting and facing this yard.8-03-08. l -2 P.M.Lori, regular music,too loud,approx.l5mins.Then,she has another new,deliberate, made cd with a l-2 min.redundant chorus,audible in this backyard and sitting room porch,which she plays for 45 mins.,but she floats in the pool the last half hourof it.It still kept me out of the backyard.I had tried to take some leaves out of the pool and she mimiced any noises I made with that banging thing she does besides using the cd.That l/2 hour was probably all she could takeof that redundant chorus as she usually just comes outside to restart it when she uses that technique.
This mimicing noise thing started at the very beginning with Det.Hawkins/Com.M.Oh,2000,along with everything else,and now it is back,only,then,it was also with a pole and a metal garbage can lid which was very jarring as you never knew when it would happen.
Lori and the S/Ws had and have enough savvy to keep switching techniques,from screaming and threatening,to banging,to trespassing and harassing,to blasting tapes and cds and repetitive tapes and cds,to ridiculous nuisance police complaints,to talking and singing for hrs. from behind the fence,etc.,etc.,etc.,and they certainly had the savvy to get the protection.These techniques were expensive and time consuming to try and stop,the list is shorter,but there's still a list.
8-0l-08.phone conversation with C.Licata.He calls me back.I had left a few messages.I left him another about the dilemma on 8-03-08
7-3l-08.l:45P.M.Lori comes home,turns on cd player backyard,goes inside,too loud. 2:30 Lori comes outside to restart the same cd,goes right back inside,comes outside approx.l0 mins.,goes inside,leaves on new,made redundant chorus cd, her technique to harass.Lori has a new made cd, regular music and then the same 2 min.chorus over and over and over.She put on this repetitive part on when I was in the pool.3P.M.I had to get out off the pool and backyard,this audible in the sittting room porch.This is definite planned, deliberate harassment.Mindset 6P.M.Mr.Starr home with Lori.,marching cd comes on,louder than earlier.Lori out to restart.7 P.M.it stops when it starts thundering.
Lori now keeps something near her to hit and bang,even at the edge of the pool when she is in it,whenever I make any kind of noise in the backyard,such as putting out the garbage or tapping the pool pole screen on the garbage can to empty leaves.This is immediate.If I move any patio chairs, she immediately slams hers.Just to let me know, she can always do something. Mindset.
7-31-08.This complaining that these settlement agreement(l1-05) incidents are an 'in the past thing' doesn't help,but is typical technique as policy.If it was possible to forget the throwing the fence in the yard thing, the camera still up thing, the mistruths,lying,and complaints to police and enfor.thing, the trespassing and harassing and fence issue between the garages major thing,excluding the issues regarding the interior fence thing,
it is impossible to forget the recent six months of deliberate,blasting, repetitive,same part chorus lines etc., made cds, for hrs., this as the prime harassment technique for his period, through the holidays with children in the yard and pool,making it impossible to use the backyard or pool and audible into the sitting room porch and house,when I had to email the entire city to try and get some help,still being told by law enforcement,on 5-22-08,that there was nothing that could be done about it,again emailing the entire city about that.
There is a thin line with law enfor.regarding interpreting this particular technique that the S/Ws use and have used for over eight years, perfected during the Hawkins/M.Oh period,intemingled and used along with everything else,already explained, and that thin line has always been for the S/Ws.Law enfor. intervention has always been an asset for the S/Ws which they welcome.
This should be looked upon as a continual pattern of deliberate, planned harassment,for over eight years,but it hasn't been.It is not as blasting or as long as those just mentioned months,but it is still intolerable and effecive,and nobody defending it would actually ever put up with it.
This harassment technique just cannot go on and the only way to stop it is with the settlement agreement violaion process and all the other violations, thwarted for assistance at the time by city policy, need to and should be addressed with it, not still thwarted and blocked.The city policy of protecting and sanctioning the S/Ws for over five years before the settlement agreement was just continued after the settlement agreement.Did anyone ever consider asking Det. Hawkins and Com.M.Oh to clean up their own mess instead of everyone else running around in circles to do this and at the same time try to keep defending them? What's the point with being annoyed by the complaining,trying to stop it?
8-05-08. There is a large Brazilian tree in the SW corner of the S/Ws' backyard which grows fast and extends over this residency,leaves falling into the pool.Two other neighbors have to continually trim that tree which grows over to their side.Tree trimming with ladders and saws requires diligence.Maintenance along that property line has always been a horror story for years with the S/Ws' harassment, screaming, threats,spraying water,calling the police,blasting with tapes and cds,etc.,etc.,and the S/Ws got the protection and backup they wanted no matter how ridiculous.So we would just stop trying, and they would complain about that,lawn mowing,etc.The tree really needs to be trimmed on this side and we have been avoiding this, not wanting to deal with a potential confrontation as there are just too many other things to deal with.
I grew bushes and trees on this property north of the garage toward 35 Ct.for privacy, and got really harassed trying to do that,harassment with trespassing, Mr.Starr and Lori separately walking right up to me to do it,Mr Starr verbally insulting me until I just had to stop and go inside,and Lori,silent,with a determined stare standing right next to me and this garage with her arms folded until I had to stop and go inside.Det.L.Hawkins was in charge and was informed, along with everything else going on which was worse than this.
Some branches now extend over to the S/Ws' side.Mr.Starr complained and complained very loudly to
a code enfor ofc. that he wants us to trim the branches,even though the S/Ws can trim anything extending on their property anytime they want.This is not a major job.I trim bushes and lower branches myself, but there is no way anybody here is going to do that with all the trouble they cause with any work along that property line.Code enfor.did not approach us about this.I heard Mr.Starr yelling about it in his front yard to a code enfor.ofc. They are back to throwing small amounts of garbage on this side in between the garages,not a lot but just enough so it still has to be picked up.I already have a no trespassing,no littering sign taped to a garbage can tied to the fence gate on this side where they used to throw garbage,they need visual aids as with the fence between the garages to stop trespassing and harassment even with an injuncion to stop,and I moved that yesterday further north on this side where the newer garbage was thrown,but not protected by the green mesh fence,and someone took it down, ripped it in half. So I really taped it well to the garbage can this morning and someone already tried to rip it off. Lori had been loudly complaining about it in their backyard before I noticed that someone had tried to rip it off again So,I'll move it behind the green mesh fence and maybe they will finally stop throwing stuff over here.When the six foot shadowbox fence was up,Mr.Starr walked along his side trimming bushes and throwing the scraps over the fence to this side as he walked.I've already explained him banging the half downed fence with the pool pole and throwing the pool sludge over to this side after the hurricane.
Note:Added:We have had dozens of bulb type things,about l l/2ins.in diameter in our driveway and backyard patio for the last few weeks,not indicative of anything we grow,we didn't know where they were coming from,which have to be picked up because they rot,which happens when other people have a lot of different foliage.However,a few days ago,Andy and I were in the driveway and one hit the garage flat roof really hard and then bounced onto the car really hard.It had to have been thrown from the southeast.
I believe I have already expounded on the problem with the S/Ws throwing things in this yard.This recent trimming and garbage thing sounds trvial, but,it is not, not after the horrifying past years and everything else that has happened It just shows their deliberate mindset.
8-06-08. Com.M.Oh and his brother,now Sgt C.Oh, knew better than anyone how bad the situation was with the S/Ws, from the very beginning,yrs.,long before this residency was targeted. They and Det Hawkins did not tell the new police chief the truth about it.Why is Com.M.Oh still employed by LHP?.
This could have been long stopped long before the S/Ws targeted this residency,as the S/Ws' screaming, banging things,horriifc family fights for hours audible on three srteets, and antagonistic attitude about it were well known, bothering everyone,who did complain.The Ohs had a front row seat for all of his years before this residency was targeted.
Note:This was further aggravated then by Lori dragging her synthesizer into the backyard and blasting it for hrs.inbetween the screaming and bad family fights for hours,audible on three sreets,not necessary as she had her own studio apt.away from the main house to practice in all she wanted,this not being the worst part but it does need to be noted.
This should have been stopped in a maximum of six months after they targeted this residency.There were definiely enough complaints and evidence,then,and for years,the policy being inexplicable..
This current policy of:
(2)Ok, someting happened ,but it's in the past and there's nothing we can do about.
(3)Ok, something's happening now, but there's nothing we can do about it.
(4)Ok, maybe there's something now we can do about it.
is a direct result of this old policy,the reasoning for that policy inexplicable and not defendable.Covering up for the people who caused it and the peole who helped them do it,doesn't solve anything as the problem persists.And it certainly doesn't help anyone trying to stop it and get over it. Any progress made was made by emailing, not through the system.The settlement agreement violation process is necessary for any kind of normal living at his residency and shouldn't be a maze.I did complain about every part of it..
8-8-08 Note: Another S/Ws' standard from the beginning was than no one could play music without being out blasted longer and louder by them,even if it came from the park.This was definitelty the case with this residency after we were targeted.TVand TV volume was OK,we have one in the sitting room porch,but when I had something on,on VH1music,Lori came right up to the fence to complain about it.At the begining,Hawkin's era,Andy's daughter put on music out by this pool,and Lori had two screaming tantrums getting parol cars twice.Luckily this time they did not come over here.Lori had called them about us,screaming she wanted us arrested for the music outside.Andy's daughter immediately left with the grandchildren and no one ever played music by the pool again.At that time, the S/Ws' standard behavioral pattern was that Lori screamed until she got what she wanted,they all screamed during their horrible family fights for hours,inside and ouside,but Lori screamed louder and longer.It shouldn't have become city policy that when she/they screamed,patrolmen jumped.Someone should have told them to stop screaming, especially when they started screaming at this residency,almost daily.Hawkins era.This accompanied the fence banging,trespassing,harassing,threatening,ridiculous police calls,etc.which continued as standard city policy for over 5 years unil it got watered down,after a lot of time,work,and expense,to something still intolerable,now.
8-07-08.Lori has another deliberate harassment cd,the same genre as the"issue cd" blasted over and over for six months in their backyard,she coming outside to restart it and restart it.I tried to use the backyard and pool about 4:45P.M I though it was safe as things have been relatively normal for a few days.Lori was outside with regular music,rather quiet.However,as soon as she saw me,she immediately switched to this same genre cd as if she had it ready to do that then she went inside leaving it on.I finally had to get out of the pool and backyard,this audible into this sitting room porch.Lori came back outside about 45 mins.after she left this cd on and put on regular music while she was outside,as she won't listen to what she puts on to harass.Deliberate.Mindset.This isn't trivial.This is still a planned pattern and a flat out reminder that something will be done even if it is relatively watered down from the more horrific episodes of the past.The S/Ws know what they are doing.We haven't tried to have any company since the last attempt.
As explained next,anyone playing music is a no.We never have music outside or by the pool.I had started playing music again in this house, which is audible onto the sitting room porch from the sideroom, when the S/Ws are gone or not outside,but,on his day,8-07-08,Lori had come home and come outside while I was playing it and she did hear something.Not that that really matters in the big picture.This residency just got blasted by cds and made repetitive cds for over 6 mons.,they didn't listen to,because they didn't want us to have company or use the backyard.And it wasn't just against us.Mindset.
8-11-08.The S/Ws' large Brazilian tree,southwest corner of their backyard,branches and limbs extending over to this side,some over 20 ft.long on this side,was trimmed without incident,probably because Mr.Starr and Lori were not there when it was started,08-08, and for the majority of the job,and luckily there were not a couple of patrol cars called over here when they saw the trimmings filling over 5 containers and the large pile of branches for pickup at the bottom of this driveway, a standard practice for any yardwork done here for over 5 yrs.,on complaints by the SWs they were being bothered,probably due to over 6 mons.of time consuming emailing describing how law enfor.and the city was wasting taxpayers' money on ridiculous complaints by the S/Ws,and not helping this residency,neither of which made this residency very happy.Hawkins/M.Oh policy.The few bush and tree branches extending on the side of this garage,northeast side,will not be trimmed by this residency,as this is just too close to the problem where the S/Ws trespassed and really harassed for over 6 years until the mesh fence was put up,and it really is a big problem and a lot of work trimming their extending Brazilian tree,backyard.
8-11-08.There is sill a maze and a blockage concerning the city's handling of the Setttlement Agreement violation situation.This is supposed to be a Settlement Agreement.violation hearing for what the S/Ws violated, not a hearing for the city to explain their policy of thwarting and of nullifying it and continuing to protect and cover up for the S/Ws.
(1) Trespassing and harassing between the garages to 35 Ct.,still after five months into it: The law enfor.Ofc. said,you cannot stop someone from getting out of their backyard,no one down the police station can read a survey,he wasn't going to wait around to see if anyone trespsassed,or harassed, and then after the fence was put up to keep them out,he drove over here, took a picture of the fence,drove it to Toni,code enfor.,called me up and said the fence was not necessary and "asked" me to take it down.Already explained.I did say,at that time,this trespassing and harassing complaint was going to the Judge,and I had shown him all the paperwork,and here were many conversations and phone calls concerning this with him.Where is the city's paperwork on this and who advised this Ofc.to do that?.I don't think he thought of all this by himself,as it really defies all logic.And,I did leave a message for the Chief at that time that this was not simply a matter of someone walking on someone's property.This is where the S/Ws trespassed, screamed, and fought with each other for years and this is where the S/Ws trespassed, screamed at, threatened,and harassed this residency for over five years and it was important to keep them out. There was not a lack of activity on this residency's part to try and stop this.
(2) Deliberately blasting, playing,and restarting made repetitive cds and the "issue"cd in their backyard for hours,over and over,without being outside with them,definitely for harassment,displaying and continuing a pattern used for years and years:Law enfor.knew from the beginning of this intense,newer usage of this technique,and the Chief was made aware of the severity,02-08,but still on 5-22-08, this Ofc.still said that nothing could be done.Who advised him? Aready explained and explained.
(3) Intrusive camera usage,camera still up: Already explained.No one asked this residency if it wanted a police assisted camera up.Why did the S/Ws get one?-Which they really abused.Who advised this?
(4) Throwing things into this yard: Code Enforcement's behavior defies explanation.Already explained.Who advised this?
(5) Causing lying on a police report: This to be done.
Once again, this is suppposed to be a settlement agreement violation hearing for what the S/Ws violated, not a hearing for the city to explain their policy of thwarting and nullifying it and continuing to protect and cover up for the S/Ws
8-01-08.After many recent months,over 6,of complaining about the S/Ws' deliberate,patterned use of harassment tapes,radio,and cds,volume,repetitivness,left on outside,etc,for yrs.,standard city policy,already explained and explained,Chief Licata finally said to call the police to have someone go over there to tell them to stop,and if they didn't, he would go over there himself to tell them to stop.However,the times I did call the station,the one Ofc. I trusted to actually help wasn't on.No real help and strong retaliaton by the S/Ws has always been a big deterent.On one of those sessions,I had out patient surgery and really couldn't deal with another no real help situation,or with someone who didn't know what was going on,or with the still very possible usual usual..8-20-08. Expressing the previous to Chief Licata,he said to call for any ofc.who was on,and if the problem wasn't straighened out, he would straighen it out.
There is now the situation of Lori coming sporadically ouside to sit with the cd player and adjust the volume which is probably what would happen if a new Ofc.showed up."Working the cd player" situation is an endeavor she spends hours on,easy access to it,watching to see who tries to use this backyard,one of the last things she can do to harass,the mindset still determined and deliberate.It is just not as loud,long,or brazen,as she has obviously been aware of some attention given to stop it,but,nevertheless,she still uses it, to do something.This is not like the horrifc past,but the mindset is obvious,and this does harass.The suggestsed corrective procedure needs clarificaion It is almost as if she wants to provoke someone to call the police on her/them so she can go/be outside and turn it down when they show up.There ares now a lot of volume adjusments.
Note:I did tell Chief Licata that after over 5 months of Lori deliberately targeting the kids in this backyard and pool,blasting repetitive cds and that"issue" cd for hours,for months,the kids snapped,moaned in exasperation,when that"issue"cd got blasted again and actually yelled back at her.I said I simply could not have this,the situation where an 11yr.old and a 9yr.old think they have to defend themselves against an adult.5-22-08.Even after all that and all the complaining and emailing I did for months to try and stop this harassment technique,I was stlll told by a LHP Ofc.,5-22-08,nothing could be done about it and I had to go back to emailing for any kind of help,already explained.
General Information:.Website link to start with INTRODUCTION 2008 approx.90 paragraphs down.5-27-08 through8-24-08 and newer additions to be put at end of that in correct order.Website is now incomplete with only approx.5 yrs.of audio and1and1/2yrs.of written explanation.
Incomplete.Reorganize.(6).8-27-08.4:45P.M.Lori sees me at pool,comes out, puts on made Elivs cd,tolerable volume as she stays out with it.
(5)/8-24-08.Three hour marathon.approx.2P.M.,Lori sees me outside,puts on cd player,goes inside,audible in backyard, house and sitting room porch 2:45P.M,she comes outside.3:45,she goes inside,she is outside for approx.one third of it,various volumes.I did call.That Ofc.not on.
Approx.3:30P.M.Andy and I go out to backyard and pool.Lori immediately switches to the Elvis cd as if she had it ready.This was used for the last 3 times of trying to use the backyard and pool area.When I move patio furniure,she bangs her's.4.P.M. Mr.Starr leaves on right side of the road but when he sees Andy and me in the driveway,he gives us the finger.We haven't tried to have any company since the last time we tried.
(l).8-l5-08.5-7P.M.Fri. Andy and I try to use pool and backyard.Lori immediately comes out,almost running out, she hadn't been out all day, new cd,about 4 Elvis songs over and over for approx.2hrs.too loud, audible this backyard into porch sitting. room.When we go inside,it goes off. This is something someone could do in general, but she started using it as her typical pattern of repetitive harassment
(2).8-l6-08.5-7:30P.M.Sat.Andy and I try to use pool and backyard again.Lori comes out,.same made cd,elvis,4-5 songs over and over,audible in this backyard and sitting room porch,too loud,and now intolerable, deliberate redundacy.When we go inside, it goes off.
(3).8-l7-08.2:30.P.M.Lori outside in pool playing regular music quietly. Approx. 3:l5 P.M., I go out to pool.Lori immediately changes cd to Elvis cd, louder,and goes inside and leaves it on.She was prepared.She must have heard it really bothered me the last two days.I just got out of the pool and backyard.At the beginning, I told Det.Hawkins she was trying to"Waco"me/us out.It's still going on. 4P.M.Lori restarts made Elvis cd,louder.This is definitely the deliberate patterned harassment technique.I did call,.but that Ofc.not working 4:45P.M.off.
(4).8-23-08.tropical storm and raining subside.8-23-08.Sat.music mararthon. 2-5 P.M.Lori outside l:30 P.M,.high squeeky noise cd,short period of time.Mr.Sthome.Approx.2 P.M.Lori
puts on made cd,high squeeky operatic voice,too too loud, audible into house and sitting room porch
.This time,in sheer exasperation,when it went on,I did complain, from inside this house,about it.I think,but I am not sure,that Lori,outside at the time with it and adjustingit,heard and called in a
complaint about me actually complaining in my own house about it,as the S/Ws were used to that.
As already explained,the S/Ws tried,for years,to provoke anyone on this property into a reactionso they could say it was a two party situation, and it was a priority not to engage in this,just having to put up with it while they were protected doing it. Approx.3:30P.M.Andy and I go out to backyard and pool.Lori immediately switches to the Elvis cd as if she had it ready.This was used for the last 3 times of trying to use the backyard and pool area.When I move patio furniure,she bangs her's.4.P.M. Mr.Starr leaves on right side of the road but when he sees Andy and me in the driveway,he gives us the finger.We haven't tried to have any company since the last time we tried.
5/8-24-08.Three hour marathon.approx.2P.M.,Lori outside,puts on player,goes inside,audible in backyard,house and sitting room porch 2:45comes outside.3:45,she goes inside,outside for approx.one third of it,various volumes.I did call.That Ofc.not on
6).8-27-08.4:45P.M.Lori sees me at pool, comes out,2and l/2 hours made
cd Elvis marathon,tolerable volume as she stays out with a lot of it At.approx.
6:l5 P.M. I stop trying to use pool and backyard,I had been in and out She turns it
off and stays inside then.
8-28-08.Note:We still haven't had any company as it requires putting up with this or a police visit..No one want to be involved in a police report with the LHP and the S/Ws,as the
S/Ws use the reports to cause trouble elsewhere.Anyone on this property was a target,the S/Ws even taking down license nos.to try to say someone tried to run them off the road somewhere else.They said anyone on this property bothered them as common practice.Even calling when I was home alone had bad past ramificaions.This has already been a major issue,never corrected,just covered up Det.L.Hawkins and Com.M.Oh knew about this from the beginning,but newer ofcs.were still instructed to give the S/Ws their police reports,probably to get them off their backs, with no regard for the trouble they were causing with them,including their atty.,or the trouble they were causing in general.Complaints from this residency were ignored, deleted,and watered down.To date, the explanation is,this residency did not make complaints or if it did,they weren'tdone right,that seemingly to be more important than the S/Ws' activities and all the trouble they caused
The settlement agreement,ignored in LHP,addresses this.The S/Ws are probably
silll trying to do it and use it to try to get out of the violations.
The problem/resulting complexity now is, this complaint technique used by the S/Ws for years to help protect and cover up them and their activities and to harass has to be produced since 11-05 as a possible settlement agreement violation and this complaint technique cannot just be used as protection and cover up for the S/Ws and their activities and to harass. It is not as if the S/Ws did not know what they were doing.
Anyone with a settlement agreement and fines that steep knows what they are doing. They probably still figured they were in the right city to keep doing it.
This whole situation should havebeen handled in the first six months.No one knows why it wasn't.The general gist that this thing is no one's fault,that it just just,well you know,just kinda,well,just fell off of a truck, does not suffice.
(7)8-28-08.7PM.Lori turns on cd,regular music,and floats
in pool,noticable because too loud,not blaring,audible in house and in sitting room
porch over two tvs,almost as if to provoke.We weren't and didn't go outside.Luckily,
after only one half hour,she turns it off and goes inside.
(8)8-29-08.Did someone speak to the S/Ws about the harassment cd technique?6:30P.M
Lori comes outside,puts on made Elvis cd,quietly then volume increases.Icould hear
John Watras yelling from inside his house.When I looked out the window,he was
standing by Lori who was still in the pool pointing at this house and yelling that she
should fight this thing,etc.,other things not discernable.He went inside.Lori turned
off thecd and went inside,approx.6:30P.M.I was waiting one half hour or more before
I would try and call about the cd techhniue.Now,she's doing shorter spurts.
(9)8-31-08.6:30P.M.Loricomes outside,cd too loud,goes inside leaves it on.John home.7:l5
(10)9-0l-08.Holiday.Very hot.2:l5P.M.Neighbor's kids come out to pool.Lori,immediately,
in less than 5 minutes comes outside and puts on cd,foreign lang.,but not old"issue cd."
goes inside for one half hour,comes out and changes the volumes from too loud to very
quiet She is obviously working the cd in case anyone calls on her.When the kids go inside,
she puts on this new pingy sounding made cd, similiar to the one she really blasted years
ago during the Hawkins/Oh era.I noticably put out the recorder to try and stop it, it did
for a few minute,then she put it back on.We left at approx.4:30.PM. with it still on.This
was a Holiday,that Ofc.was not on until 6PM.,I had called to see when he was on.
9-01-08 ?.Clarify Date.I left a message for Chief Licata asking who had the S/Ws' case and could I call him back onTue.to find out.It appears that someone may have told the S/Ws that I could now call over this technique instead of it just being sanctioned,which is ok,except Lori started working the cd player almost as in anticiapation of this.Instead of lenghty sessions,she then started shorter approx.one half hour sessions,then she would turn it off go inside and not come back out,so if Icalled,nothing would be going on.Then she went back to the longer hrs.sessions,but would keep adjusting the volume levels from too loud to
very quiet and adjusting the cds,even if it meant staying out longer with it,instead of
going in and out to restart,so if I did call,there's a good chance she just might be outside
with regular music at a quieter volume.This is much, much better than being blasted for
hours with repetitive cds while they are not outside,but it does show her/their determination
to do something which has been the problem all along,them always thinking of ways to get
around it.Determined mindset.And they did have all that still unexplainable
(11)9-02-08.5:45 P.M. Lori sees me by pool,puts on cd,does stay out 20 mins.then goes inside and leaves it on,then in and out.approx.7P.M.
(12)9-03-08.5:l5P.M.Lori comes out,puts on cd and goes inside,comes out to increase volume,goes inside,Mr.Starr home.She then works the new cd technique of increasing and decreasing the volume and changing the cds until approx.7P.M.Approx.5:30,I notice either Lori or Mr. Starr has stuck a 3 f.t pulled out plant into the the mesh fence I put up to keep them out between the garages.They were out there today for about 25 mins.,approx.2P.M.,working on the pool pump and making as much noise as they could while they were doing it.Lori also made it a point to spend as much time with the hose at the new fence, and gate where she used to scream,harass,and bang.She had been staying away from there. Earlier today I had removed the garbage can that said no littering from that spot thinking I didn't need it anymoreThen they went there.They are very quick.I put up a sign that says,do not stick things into fence.Further explanation below.Lori works the new cd technique, increasing and decreasing the volume and changing cds, going in and out of both houses,Mr.Starr home,until approx.7P.M.
9-03-08. Note:As a precautionary note,Lori was in between the garages and up to the new interior fence off and on from approx.2-6:30P.M.with the hose under the guise of fixing the pool pump,getting more beligerent as she walked back and forth pretty much watering the pathway.She,besides the banging,screaming,and threatening,etc.did spray over l year this backyard and anyone in it hitting as far as the house windows,screaming and talking when she did it,and using that technique as a threat to do whenever she wanted,with all or some of them out with her,with police protection as that behavior was sanctioned. see www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ 6-14-04. audio.That's when I finally had to go to the Commissioners for help with the whole thing.This recent behavior may seem trivial,but it was unnecessary,and did invoke bad memories of when this harassment technique was a standard.That probably was the point.I finally,approx.6:30P.M.,put a 3ft.piece of orange plastic over the mesh fence next to the sign that said,do not stick things in fence,I did not say anything the entire time which I don't as standard,and Lori stayed away from there with the hose.Sometimes they need a visual aid.
(13)9-06-08.4:45P.M.Lori comesout,turns on cd,goes inside,goes in and out working the cd player,already explained,but not as loud as before.approx.2-3,hrs.
(14)9-07-09.2-5:l5P.M. Lori "works the cd player".Approx. 2P.M.Lori sees me by pool and comes out and puts on cd.She has a new made repetitive cd,approx.l0 mins.of regular music,then including approx.l0 mins.of this steady beat banging sound, louder than themusic and then alone.This louder steady beat thing is obvious and deliberate as harassment and this is audible into the sitting room porch when I get out of the backyard.The rest is quieter.
It seems as though the volume adjustments are already on this cd so she dosn't have to manually "work the cd player".
3.PM.,still on and she has stayed out for most of it,but,the repetitive music is quieter than average.Then sheswitches,3:l5,to a very quiet talking cd and stays out with it She still bangs something whenever she hears me make any noise,as moving patio furniture or emptying the pool skimmer. 3:45.P.M.Lori puts on regular music cd,too loud and goes inside and leaves it on outside.Shecomes out and lowers the volume and stays out .She is back to"working the cd player"or really has been all along:5:l5.PM..
This "working the cd player" is is definitely better than the hours of full blasting repetitive cds technique for mons.,but is still a mindset problem,deliberate and planned to do"something".
(15)9-08-08.P.M.Lori puts on cd so loud it actually startled me talking on the phone inside the sitting room porch,and I did say,It's too loud, from inside the house in reaction.This has to be planned deliberately to cause a reactionThis is upsetting,as the standard is,no reaction,as that usually is the purpose,already explained and explained.I left another message for Chief Licata asking who has the S/Wcase, as Lori is confidently working the cd player and this is too loud,probably on purpose for a reaction.By the time Icall,it probably will be softer.It is now quieter.Idid call in,asking for that one Ofc.and his schedule,not in today,and explained that Lori was working the cd player and it would probably be changed by the time someone got here.approx.5:30 Louder.Lori left cd on outside and went in,then comes out.Now,softer.This is still better than being deliberately blasted for hours with made repetitive cds,but it is still time consuming and annoying.Mindset.6:l5.Lori sees me out by pool.comes out,turns cd up way too loud,goes inside.
(16)9-09-08.5P.M.Lori puts on cd too loud,audible in sittng rooom porch,same made repetiive cd,leaves on too loud,goes inside,6pm,new made repetitive cd increases and decreases volume so Lori does not have to come outside to"work the cds,"way too loud,audible into this house,same song (l7)9-ll-0-8.4PM.I go out to pool,lori comes out,puts on cd,regular music,very quiet,stays out with it.
THE LATEST FIASCO
9-09-08. The latest fiasco. Chief Licata had told me to call in regarding the cd technique situation, and if the situation was not settled by that visit, he would go over himself to tell the S/Ws to stop it. I was very wary of just calling for any Ofc.to come at anytime,which he had said to do,as this had always been a big problem with patrolmen not knowing what was going on, with little coordination about this from the station,even with consistant behavior by the S/Ws.The last thing I wanted was a patrolman who did not know the situation.I kept leaving messages for him, asking him who had case and did just any patrolman know the situation,while I was still dealing with the made deliberate,made, redundant cd technique.He did not reply.
The latest fiasco cont 9-09-08 5P.M.Lori put on a new,made repetitive cd, the same song over and over,too loud,audible in this backyard,sitting room porch and house.The volume increased and decreased.
After about an hour and a half of the same song played deliberately over and over, different volumes,I finally left a message for Chief Licata,who had not yet replied. I was in the sitting room porch and while I was leaving the message, someone from next door went to the side of the house to turn the pool pump switch. I thought they might be able to hear but I was just not going to hand up the phone in the middle of the message. Shortly, two partrol cars pulled up in front of this house and two Ofcs. knocked on this door.I came out and said I had not called in directly but had left a message for the Chief, and started to explain about the situation,and one Ofc. said,well the Chief wasn't in then and that they had to hear it.I said, well come through into the house or through the garage to the backyard to hear it,as this wasn't blasted through to 3 streets as in the olden days and the repetitiveness needed to be heard and noted,as that was the issue, and he instead, went over to the S/Ws' front door and the other Ofc. left without trying to hear it saying he didn't hear anything and had another call. This was very confusing.
I went into the house and could see Lori leaving the backyard to go into the main house to talk to the Ofc. and she turned that repetitive same song cd up,not blasting but louder,before she went in as it had been down to quiet, but still audible in this backyard,sitting room porch,and house,when the two patrol cars had pulled up in front of this house.This was confusing.
The Ofc. was inside the WS/s main house for 20-30 minutes without opening the sliding glass door to hear the the repetitive cd still playing that same song over and over while he was there, the issue.Then he left, got into the patrol car in front of this house and pulled out really fast before we could talk to him. This was very confusing. After a few minutes, the S/Ws came out and turned off the cd player.
I called dispatch to find out what had happened and was absolutely floored to find out that the patrol cars were there on a complaint from Lori Wartras/S/Ws that I had been playing music over the fence.And that it was a 'no report' as the Ofcs. hadn't heard anything from this this residency.What??? I explained the situation and about what Chief Licata had said. and there was no knowledge of this.Dipatch,the Ofcs,and the Sgt.on duty didn't know about it.The S/Ws had once again aced it, calling in a lying nuisance complaint, getting patrol cars over here,and while an Ofc. was sitting in their house doing what had been the issue to stop.
This was very, very upsetting.I decided then that I would have to start emailing and sending a copy of the settlement agreement to dispatch and the Ofcs.and patrolmen so if they showed up or got calls from the S/Ws, they would at least have some idea what was going on,and I started then to do that.
I had left a lot of messages for Chief Licata as this was very upsetting.He called me back, 9-10-08,late morning.He said that I should not be criticizing him and that if I was going to do that, he would not talk to me anymore,saying among other things that I shouldn't be leaving him complaining messages because someone called the cops on me.I said the issue was not whether he was unhappy I left him messages, but the actual problem and he had definitely left me without any backup as he didn't tell anyone.I said I had been leaving messages as to who had the S/Ws case, and did the patrolmen know what the problem was if I just randomly called,as I was really worried about doing that because of problems in the past with that, and he had not replied. He said he had been on vacation,and I said, didn't anyone take his messages and he didn't say anything.He then said he would tell dispatch about the situation so they would be aware of it and he was going to stop by the S/Ws home that evening to talk to them about it.
9-10-08. Early evening.Chief Licata came to this residency with another Ofc.and completely floored me by saying that he had just been to the S/Ws' home, and would I meet and have a talk with the S/Ws and them. I/we had already spent hours of grueling deposition and mediation with the S/Ws,while they were still screaming, threatening, trespassing, banging on the fence,and harassing before and after,besides listening to their horrific family fights, the end result being a strong Settlement Agreement to protect us, which the city didn't honor anyway.I said I just couldn't do this on any level as I just didn't want to be that close to them or even in the same room with them,reliving the whole thing.He kept pressing this, and I said I simply just could not do that.
He said that he and the other Ofc. had talked to a lot if the neighbors and they said they were friends with and had a good relationship with the S/Ws.This seeemed odd.I asked if it was the neighbors on the east of the S/Ws on the same side if the street and they said no.I asked if it was the neighbor directly across the street from the S/Ws and they said yes.We had had the standard good neighbor relationship for years, and even though they were across the street from the S/Ws ,they could still hear the horiffic family fights,screaming,banging,etc.from the S/Ws for years before they targeted us, and he had tried to intercede with Mr.Starr on behalf of the new neighbors who had just moved next door on the east side of the S/W,because they were having trouble putting up with it after months,but to no avail, as that was when the S/Ws did full force what ever they wanted.
However, when the S/Ws started targeting us full force, he ignored it, even turning around and facing the other way when I drove by and said hello to someone standing right next to him, and he did not try to be friendly again until we paid over $30,000.00 to stop it, and then he wanted to be friendly, waving,etc. but I would not reciprocate,and still won't..The S/Ws and their cops are were formidable and unstoppable, but there is such a thing as being a little too cheesy in playing up to whomever has the power. The idea that this person could be in any way instrumental in this thing is ludicrous.I think,but I am not sure that the Chief had already mentioned neighbors at this sit down.I told the Chief the first sentence of this paragraph but didn't say the rest to him.
Chief Licata asked me again if I would do that sit down and I said I simply could not do it, which I can't,and he said he had tried and if I needed more help, I could just call the Sheriff's Dept.
In the middle of this, he had asked what I wanted done and I had said ,the typical, help with the harassing ,banging ,trespassing etc, which had pretty much taken care of by other means,-settlememt agreement,an orange plastic fence for over 14 mos.and over 8 mos.of emailing,- the second part of that which I didnt say at the time as I was not tring to be antagonistic.I was still floored by him coming to the house with this sit down idea,even after all the time, depositions,mediation, money spent, and the settlement agreement instated
The harassment technique for yrs.of made repetitive cds,in some cases minutes and five mins.of a song over and over, high pitched noises,etc.left on outside with no one in the yard,at various volumes,deliberately, for hrs.,was not expounded on,probably due to the fiasco the evening before when the S/Ws aced it by making another lying nusiance harassment call and actually playing it while the Ofc.was in their house.Not the Ofc.s fault.That the help I got with that.That cd technique is probably the last thing that the S/Ws can do and they use it to the max. No one could put up with it.
On 9-12-08,I was again really floored when I received a letter from Chief Licata, dated and postmarked 9-11-08,asking again if I would attend this sit down.This letter was very upsetting to myself and others as the letter content states that the S/Ws deny my complaints and never intended to bother me,etc. (?) .Does any one in this city pay attention to evidence,documents, and settlement agreements ? This seems to be a bit of a coincidence that this very important sitdown should take place when the issue of the S/Ws' settlement agreement violation is up front.This will eventually take place in spite of the maze to hinder it,and they really did it and they know it. Case No.01 0116239(04)Carney, injunction/settlement agreement,pg.3,G.) states that the S/Ws shall not cause the filing of a false police report.In my reply, I asked Chief Licata for a police report with the statements on it the S/Ws made to him during his investigation.
Note: The cd/tape,also radio, technique is documented on www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ as far back as 6-28-02 and 6-29-02 and earlier.
6-28-02.audio.Lori blasts radio,'ping ping' tape,and talks and chants all at once.4-8 P.M.8 yr.old in pool part of the time.fence.,backyard.Lori's big fit,a contollable act she could turn on and off usually to get out of trouble for the more overt harassment. John blames us. Excerpts.Note:After 9-11, Lori also started blasting an added genre of music and making that throaty vocal sound.
6-29-02.audio.Lori blasts radio.Company,three children in pool.Recorder right next to children in pool,1-2 ft.off pool ,so children loud.Lori's radio is approx.30 ft away,backyard.1-4 P.M.,continued after 5 into evening.Excerpts.There is a 6 second repeat or overlap in the middle of this.
This behavior was sanctioned and allowed,complaints disregarded.It is continued to a lesser,still intolerable,degree to the present.This behavior was accompanied by the harassment,trespassing,screaming,threatening,banging,banging on fence,harassment patrol calls,and the horrific family fights,etc.sanctioned and allowed,complaints disregarded.
9-12-08.reply to: Chief Ross Licata,City of Lighthouse Point Police Dept.
Chief Ross Licata,
I acknowledge your investigative endeavor.
May I please have a police report with the Starr/Watras's statements to you on it?
As you know,according to Case No.01-011629(04)Carney,Injunction/Settlement Agreement,pg.3,G.),-They shall not cause lthe filing of a false police report.
This endeavor should not or would not want to be misinterpreted as agenda based.
Thank you, Gail Pfistner
9-12-08.I was outside by pool.Lori came out ,turned on the cd player,but very soft regular music and she stayed out with it. When I went inside after about1/2 hr. she did too,taking the cd player with her,and not coming back out..
9-13-08. Back to TYPICAL, and TYPICALPROBLEM OF TRYING TO HAVE COMPANY.Music marathon.3-6P.M.,7-8P.M various volumes,regular music 3-6 PM. Lori home alone. We tried to have company for the first time in a long time, 2 adults,1 nine yr.old.We tried to us the pool and backyard. Lori increased the volume, audible into the house.She stayed out with it for awhile.Then,.for approx. an hour and a half Lori increased the volume and left the cd player outside without being out with it,exactly when we were out there.It was not the real blasting but it was loud enough as if it could have been in our backyard and we had to hear it, without out her being outside..At 6 PM.,she stopped it, which was when we got out of the backyard.
No one wanted to call the police. I wonder why. That is probably what she wanted.7-8P.M.Lori playsc softer music and stays out with it Mr.Starr home. So the two of us could go out to the pool area.
9-14-08.Music marathon.2 P.M.Lori turns on cd,not too loud, stays outside.same cd,2 hrs.,but at least not same song,volume increases,too loud,then different cd,approx.5P.M.
9-15-08.4:15-5:15Lori comes home,goes into backyard,turns on cd ,goes inside.quiet volume,she in and out. 5:40-6she back out turns on cd,still quieter volume,
9-16-89.5-7P.M.Lori out with cd,very quiet,then she increases volume,she goes in leaving it on,increases to too loud
9-17-08 3:45P.M.I go to pool to bring something inside.Lori in her pool with cd on,so quiet I did not hear it in this house or sitting room porch which I usually have to,and I didn't know she was out there Hope it lasts.And I hope they don't think of another technique to use as they are very good at revolving techniques when they finally wear one out for a awhile,and they certainly have the protection and backup which was just demonstrated again.
That was short lived. She increased the volume probably because she saw me in the backyard.What would happen if we or guests actually played music in this backyard instead of just trying to use it? 4:15. I go out to pool. Lori actually goes inside and takes the cd player with her instead of leaving it out and on to get me out of the backyard.
9-20-08.TYPICAL Sat. afternoon 3:30.PM.Mr.Starr, Lori home.Lori comes outside,turns on cd goes inside,leaves it on so we have to hear it whether we want to or not,which is the point.too loud,audible into house.I was seen at pool.They cannot be outside and use their pool as it is too green so this is deliberately for effect.clapping and stomping recording on cd 5:40 Mr. Starr drives by and gives me finger.
9-17-08.I am sending a copy of my reply to Chief Licata's letter with "cc:Commissioners" on it to the City Commissioners of Lighthouse Point.Enclosed are some legal documents related to this including a copy of the Settlement Agreement. Initially,one of the first attorneys I talked to was hired. I did not realize,at the beginning, that I would need an exceptional attorney for this,who had to amend the suit. This should nave been handled in a maximum of six months and the rest should not have had to transpire.Thank you, Gail
NOTE:9-18-08. That recently sent letter was inappropriate and the phraseology"mutual neighbor problems"and "long standing neighbor dispute" is annoying.Even the S/Ws' pounding atty.,Robert Yates,finally negated using that terminology,also accusations,as he knew what the S/Ws were doing.He did suggest/ask, yrs.ago,in my deposition, to use the term neighbor dispute 'for want of a better word or description ' and I said no.And you won't find that terminology in the Settlement Agreement.A standardized legal formalization of this type usually uses this terminology.In this case,it did not.
9-18-08 As the S/Ws' harassment,stalking,screaming, threatening,banging,trespassing,use of harassment patrol visits,use of tapes/radio harassment,etc.,the horrific family fights stll audible, against anyone who dared to set foot on this property,almost daily as a regular routine, was sanctioned and allowed in LHP,there was nothing to do but to sue them to stop it.This going on sometimes 8-10 hrs a day, one of the first attorneys I talked to was hired. He probably could have handled the situation,but the S/Ws' atty. used every technical manuver at length to contain the suit and stop the case from going to issue,as the S/Ws were really doing it,and this hired attorney,pretty much then a bankrupcy atty., just pretty much just stopped working, a plus for the S/Ws' aggression and they upped the harassment.The S/Ws had countersued over the tapes, not legally feasible.They basically wanted to harsass with no evidence or record of it, and the S/Ws had tried to blame their behavior on this residency as if they had never done it for years before,or before they targeted this residency,and didn't want any evidence that they were still doing it plus harassing this residency.This countersuit was attached to the original,not considered much of a problem.
Spring 06.The Court date could no longer be manuvered or delayed by any technicality or any filing.Winter 05.The S/Ws' aggressive attitude was still full force. The behavior was the same, except after many discussions with the new Chief of Police since summer 05,the lengthy duration of full force screaming against this residency had been reduced as the Chief had finally said this was unacceptable behavior and would not be tolerated.This was now down to sporaidic spurts and outbursts,still disarming as we never knew when they would do it, but it was definitely better than the lengthy flat out screaming.The cost so far had been over $10,000.00,the time and energy needed for this extensive and expended.The situation still was not good or tolerable, the other overt behavioral patterns still the same and the S/Ws' attitude still the same.But,I thought maybe we could just drop the suit and maybe the city/police could help us more,now with more awareness. The S/Ws said no.They still had that attached countersuit and stilll wanted to sue me for taping while they were screaming at this residency or in general with city/police protection.As long as this suit had to be fought in Court, there was no choice but to hire a good civil/criminal attorney and to proceed with the original suit with the attached countersuit and finally stop the S/Ws once and for all. This was time consuming and expensive as the whole case had to be reviewed, the original suit amended, and everything filed and put in place for Trial. Faced with an inevitable court date and a really good attorney,the S/Ws and Atty.Robert Yates folded. The Settlement Agreement was instated, and it appeared as if the situation was over. But the S/Ws did and would not adhere to it, and the city would not honor it.
Again,this should have been handled in a maximum of six months and the rest should not have had to transpire.
9-20-08.The S/Ws are at it again obviously empowered by something,After our latest attempt at having company,9-13-08 explained,it has been pretty normal and I thought maybe it was over.However,on 9-20-08,Sat.afternoon,when we were trying to use the pool and backyard,3:30P.M.-5:30P.M.,Lori came outside and put on a new made cd,the same two songs over and over with a recording of her clapping and stomping her feet on it,which she does when she is outside, probably so if this was recorded,it would sound as if she was outside with it.This started out quiet and then got louder and louder as she came outside to restart it and increase the volume.It was almost as if she was taunting me to call the police,as this usually turns out to be a situation which enables them.,The last time, she got to play the same song over and over for hours,got to lie to the police,got two patrol cars over here,the problem was not addressed,and the Chief of Police made visits and sent letters. This cd technique was intolerable to put up with,again.Mr.Starr was home during this and completely caught me off guard whe he drive out,right side of the road ,stared at me and gave me the finger when I want out to the driveway to use the hose and looked that way across the street.At approx.5:30, kids came out to two residencies to use their pools and Lori turned off the redubndant cd. She did then start an old technique, screech singing,which she hasn't done in a long time,as they have been using the cd technique,but at this time,not major or long,maybe 15 mins.and quiet,but alarming that she might start that again,probably the point,as I did complain about it.
For years,for hours at a time, Lori would stand right behind the six ft. shadowdow box fence using it as a barrier and screech sing at this residency,at times directly refering to us or about us, with some or all of them home,which is one of the reasons I didn't want to put a usable barrier,fence,back up.She also did this from their backyard or while floating in their pool.This was one of their revolving techniques of harassment,with all the others.She would also stand behind that fence and talk at and about me/us for hours,one day it was 11 hrs.,that along with the screaming at,threatening at,and banging at that fence,all sanctioned and protected in this city.There is a lot of this screech singing technique on the website,audio.The unsettling thing is the S/Ws' continual drive to harass and the city's relunctance to address it as such,even with ridiculously overt actions, thus becoming protective enablers.Chief Licata has told me to talk to them, not in any way desired or feasible especially after all the civil action to protect, or go to the Sheriff's Dept. for help.This would be a draining and lengthy process,but there may be no alternative.
9-22-08.4 P.M.I went out to use the pool. Lori immediately came out and turned on a cd She hadn't been out all day.Their pool hasn't been usuable.She played regular music,audible into this house,but sat halfway closer to the this house,clapping and stomping her feet,this obviously deliberately.I got out of the pool a few and went inside,and when I was inside,Lori left,went inside,and took the cd player with her.4:45 P.M.If anyone wants to use this backyard,you definitely get Lori and her cds.At the beginning, Hawkins/Oh era, Lori yelled over the fence that we would never be able to use this yard again. She/they got a lot of help.
9-23-08.I was taking a garbage can out to the end of the driveway and I noticed Mr.Starr starting his car in his driveway.I went inside without looking and stood at the back of the inside porch.Mr.Starr drove out on the wrong side of the road,giving this residency the finger,extended as he drove by.At least he was looking straight ahead.It must be nice to be so protected and invincible.
9-25-08.5:45P.MP,I was seen by pool.Lori comes outside and turns on cd,too loud andible into sitting room porch and house.Who do I call? I went insideWhen I went back out into backyard,Lori started clapping and stomping her feet and kept it up until I left.She turns up the volume and goes inside.I left on an errand.
9-28-0812:40P.M.Lori comes out,turns on cd,too loud audible into sitting room porch.I didn't even have to go outside to know she put it on.Who do I call, the people who protect them and never put up with them themselves?She goes inside and leaves it on so you have to hear it whether you want to or not, even inside this house, probably the main objective.She turns it up louder and goes inside.I put a chair on the front porch to sit outside when I can't stand to be in the backyard or pool,company is still out of the question,as this,at least, isn't like the olden days when they blasted everything so loud,you could hear it on three streets.It must be nice. I now have referred to the S/Ws as the Chief's clients.It really isn't much of a slip.I try to use part of the backyard and the volume gets louder,so it is is also louder coming into the sitting room porch.2:30P.M.Lori turns it off when John conmes out to work on the pool filter with her.
10-05-08.Lori,pool.cd,opera,too loud but softer than usual.6-7P.M.John stays out about 10mins.A few evenings ago,she was out at/in pool after dark with cd so low,you had to be outside to hear it.This has always been possible It just wasn't done..
10-07-08.5-6:30P.M.Lori,pool,cd,too loud, but quieter than usual.When I go back outside,I had been out when Lori came out, Lori starts clapping,while in the pool.She just has to do something.She increases the volume.She goes inside and leaves it on.Mindset.This is a slippery slope,already explained
9-25-08I am somewhat dubious about having sent this email,but there has been too much misinformation about what actually happened on N.E 35 Ct.
Unfortunately, the following message could not be left unexpressed.We should not have had to become the neighborhood deep pocket for this situation.
9-25-08.LHP Magazine,Editor and Contributors,
Regarding LHP Magazine, Oct.2008,page 4,bottom left picture. Although that picture is appealing and truly beyond adorable, it should be noted that those children could not be walking calmly down the middle of the street or be using their backyard, if this residency did not spend over $30,000.00 and continually still invoke an Injunction to stop the horrific situation next door to them.Initially,their mother was instrumental in a disorderly charge against one of the perpetrators,but as the situation got progressively more horrific,she and her husband ceased all activities to stop it as they were being protected by this residency's efforts and expense,as this residency had absosutely no choice.There was quite lot of misinformation circulating about this whole thing. Glossy idyllic pictues don't fix or cover up a situation this bad. It is ironic that,as the facts in this situation are again resurfacing,as the problem was never really solved, that this street should be presented in such a peaceful way. Thank you, Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E. 28 Ave. 954-9434368. Infor.:distributed emails and www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ ,website not yet completed.Case No.01 110629(04)Carney.Injunction/Settlement Agreement.05.Carney
10-06-08.To Whom it May Concern: Hello.I am letting you know I mailed the letter below to the Kruteks and to the Silvers c/o the Costellos, so everything is up front.That suggested meeting and/or neighbor involvement was not a good idea.
The Kruteks did as I described. The Silvers,east of S/Ws,also already explained,9-29-08LHP Mag.The Silvers eventially opted for avoidence except when driving by and waving when they wanted to,even though it was well know Mrs, Silver was very unhappy about the situation,complaining that she never would have bought the house if she knew they would be putting up with that and was particularly annoyed by the hours of blasting bongo tapes which went through their backyard and house,and explaining to workmen,etc.at the house about the screaming,but making no further attempts to stop it
Mr. Silver had established a patterened route for years for walking and relieving his two dogs and the standard trained stop was the corner of N.E.28 Ave.and N.E.35th Ct.,in front of us,which he continued through the avioidence,but he was more and more cutting diagonally across this property sometimes half way between this house and the easement no matter who was here especially after dark, which I just let go as his convenience and didn't say anything,although this was strange that he would just do that as is it was his right, when he was ignoring us,and he was lingering longer at that corner with the dogs staring at this house.
However, after the Sett.Agree.,get dates,he went through a strange period of playing up to Mr.Starr in front of this house and me when he was walking the dogs almost as if he was trying to antagonize me by such things as encouraging Mr.Starr who was in his driveway, he from the bottom of this driveway, right in front of me,-I had come out to fix the mailbox and Mr.Starr didn't want me in this driveway when he was in his-and stopping Mr.Starr's car from the north easement in front of this house to play up to him.There had been a lot of driveway and road harassment from the S/Ws,and a lot of effort to stop it, and I didn't need or want this especially right in front of me.This was upsetting.He should have known better.I think he did and was doing it on purpose.I finally had to tell him to stop it and that this wasn't the only easement,or yard, in the city,and to please revise his dog route as I didn't need that right in front of the house. I had to tell him at least three times,including saying talk to my atty.and he finally stopped and stopped cutting across the front yard.The avoidence and no communication remains to date.I don't need subplots.That was juvenile,but Mr.Starr is very good at getting someone to help him harass us,usually until they catch on,but this was strange because Mr.Silver already knew the situation very well and we were the ones who paid to try to correct it,their residency benefitting from it. And never a thank you or an acklowledgement from them,just avoidence and then that.
Added addition:11-29-08.I was stunned to see Mr.Silver trying to reroute his dogs here again.I had to tell him twice,once from inside the north window and from the west front porch not to start that up again.I can't have him encouraging the S/Ws directly in front of this residency or me,already explained.This situation requires constant upkeep,he benefits from it,doesn't pay for anything,and doesn't do any of the upkeep.
The Costellos have alway been friendly waving and saying hello as Mrs.Costello walks by here to the park with her children.Just a little while ago, Mrs.Costello did an out of character thing by crossing the median to be really overly friendly to the S/Ws when they came out to their front yard.Andy and I were already in this driveway washing a vehicle.She did that one more time with Mr.Starr as he was pulling out of his driveway, in front of me going out to this driveway. Then I never saw that out of character behavior again when she and the S/Ws were outside at the same time.
This needs to be a little more cohesively written when it is a little more cohesively understood. The mindset of the S/Ws is so formidable that any placating or acceptance of what they were/are doing just makes them come after us harder making it harder to stop it.
After years of no help from law enfor,and years of effort and expense including over nine months of emailing to deal with this,it was extremely disingenuous and undiplomatic to be told that a lot of the neighbors had been talked to and they were friends with and got along well with the S/Ws,that there wasn't much of a problem,and it was just a big misunderstanding. (?) I don't think this was the idea of the Ofc.involved. I'm surprised I was so surprised,as I really should have seen something wierd coming.
Letter to neighbors:
"To Whom It May Concern:
We have had a long and expensive situation with stalking and harassing.
Law Enfor. has suggested some sort of neighborhood involvement.
Law Enfor. knows this is a Court situation.
Any suggestion of involvement should have accompanied facts and information.
Enclosed are some Court Documents and a printout of already widely distibuted emails,disorganized,as this is work in progress,but discernable,starting Jan.08. At the time,it seemed as if emailing was the only solution.E mails are subject to updates,corrections,and additions.
Any further suggestions of involvement should be informed.
If anyone chose to not assist in the past, that is their right.If anyone chooses to defend the opposition,that is their right. If anyone chooses to defend law enfor,that is their right.
However, it is our right to defend ourselves,to stop harassment and stalking, and to stop the misinformation.
A quick whitewash attempt will not solve anything and has not in the past.
Thank you, Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E. 28 Ave.LHP.
A reply is not necessary or expected.There will be nothing more mailed.This was not meant to be an intrusion.This is mearly to finish what Law Enfor.put in motion.Law Enfor. has been informed there will be no informal sitdowns or neighborhood involvement.I debated sending this 'in care of Chief Licata' so as not to be taken as intrusive,but opted for regular delivery.Law Enfor.should not have put this in motion, and this ends it. I will email this letter to Law Enfor.so everything is up front. Thank you."
10-05-08.REPOSITION TO MIDDLE. website Regarding:The hitman situation with the S/Ws- Mr.Starr kept bragging he could do it,make the one phone call, Lori kept screaming for him to do it,and Mark was constantly on the phone giving descriptions of this residency,us, people who came here and this residency's schedules,and to someone in N.J. This was during the height of their most ferocious period and I never knew what was set in motion,did they actually sent any money,etc.The scary thing was that,this was not their standard screaming and threatening directly at us or their obvious yelling it for the benefit of us hearing it. This was their loud,yelling discussions inside their house amongst themselves with the A.C.pumping,so a lot of it was not discernable or unmuffled,but it was an issue with them for some time and I could hear parts of it in this backyard,whether I wanted to or not. I was hoping that this was just expressed low class bravado,but I am not so sure how far it got.I thought maybe if they did send money, they would just get scammed,but I wasn't sure about that either.Some,a small amount, of this is already on the website.insert dates. I did call in and complain about it and I think someone said something to them because Lori came home screaming one day that she had complained about me looking at her or checking the driveway to see if she or anyone was out there before I went into the driveway,-'staring is stalking thing, even if you look while she is screaming,Hawkins/Oh policy,'- and someone had said maybe she's afraid of getting whacked and Lori was yelling why would they have hired an atty. if they just could have just paid for that.I think the attention,my complaining etc.,given to that may have stifled that,but I am still not so sure.
This was scary then as I never had that happen before,the duration was long and intense with this being an issue with them especially with Mr.Starr who shouldn't have been talking about that with them in the first place,or doing any of the rest in general.www.lighthousepointflorida.net/
NOTE,IMPORTANT:10-16-08 NEEDS TO BE REPOSITIONED AFTER 10-11-08.THIS IS OBVIOUSLY OUT OF ORDER.
10-16-08.Andy would like to take some of his vacation days and do some house repairs and relax in the pool.Since the S/Ws,for years,have not wanted him to do that,or be on the property or in the yard for any reason,and have made numerous calls and complaints to law enfor.about it.see website, I'll make it easier and call the station when he is here so there can be ready assistance for the S/Ws to continue this.I'll even make some suggestions.Maybe the S/Ws can call in and say they think they see an illegal alien working on the property or they think they see a loose alligator in the pool.That will definitely get them some activity over here.Chief Licata tells me that the S/Ws told him they are putting up an interior fence and he thinks that that will help stop the problem because they won't be able to see Andy when he's in the pool. That's a really good idea.That fence situation worked so well in the past.
Emails subject to additions,corrections,and changes.This needs to be reorganized and completed. and emails are obviously out of sequence..
10-14-08.2:30P.M.Lori sees me out by pool,puts on made cd,goes inside,too loud, childrens' nursery rhymes,she is not out with it.It's almost as if she is taunting me to call the police as they always side with her and it's not worth the trouble,but once again,I can't sit in the backyard.This is intolerable,louder,audible into house.This is the deliberate pattern and I have no options to stop it. I left a message for Chief Licata..She comes out to switch cds and goes right back inside.Maybe someone should just ask her if she is doing this on purpose.This is quite obvious.Maybe that will stop it.This is a bad mindset.She has too much backup.cds on and off.4P.M.cd on,too loud,Lori not outside with it.Lori comes outside,uses pool,more regular music short time.
LORI -CONTINUING CD PATTERN 10-14-08
More Made Cds.Then,approx.5P.M.Another newer made cd.The 1812 Overture,over and over,approx. 45mins.She stays out with it approx.15 mins. marching back and forth to it,goes inside and leaves it on.Not overly loud then volume increases on made cd,audible into house.She does make her point. Mindset,with backup.Then one of the worst foreign holiday made cd,same song over and over I really complained about this last holiday season as she was blasting the children and me with it,mixed in with the"issue" cd before she went mostly to the"issue"cd. It is now soft but she definitely knows what she is doing.She is not outside with it.Left outside without her approx.1hr.and 15mins.
10-12-08.2:30-3:30P.M.Lori,pool,cd,music too loud but quieter than usual,she increases volume.I am trying to sit in backyard.same song,over and over.She goes insde and leaves this same song on.I have to get out of the backyard but I can still hear it in the porch and house.She is just probably taunting me to call the police,for what?,but I still do have to put up with it,a fact usually overlooked.She finally turns it off.
The S/Ws have upped the harassment with a scarier version of "what Lori thinks". I am worried about what Lori will "think"of next.
10-11-08 ONCE AGAIN,LORI WATRAS-,S/WS,- WORKS THE POLICE AND ACES IT.When the S/Ws tell the police to jump, they get out a trampoline.
The S/Ws are still capable of producing a strong show of force,probably their point.It is definitely effective and it works.
Saturday evening.Andy is relaxing in the pool and grilling,backyard. I am in the house and in and out of the backyard.The house is lit up.The main garage door is open.The backyard is well lit up with standard lights,pool lights,and white lights in bushes.Andy likes to see while grilling. This is a very obvious situation.The cd technique is not going on. This was very nice.Then, from inside the house,I heard someone in the bottom of the driveway or in the road on the north side of this house.I went out to look. Big shocker.Two patrol cars and two Ofcs.
Lori Watras had called in and said there was a man in this backyard with a rifle
. And the situation was treated with that type of severity,attitude,dialogue,gear,vests,etc.
This actually exceeds the standard shock and horor of the SWs' activities,taking it to another level.I guess a routine thing occurred with this type of .I was obviously shocked and not happy with it. I knew immediately the S/Ws had just pulled another thing and I didn't know what to do about it,and I couldn't go back into the house to call anyone.It was really awful.The S/Ws and their cops,again. Luckily I keep all the legal paperwork at the house and I was able to explain this to Cp.Thornton and go and get some of it and he did call Sgt Nestor,and so did I that evening,along with a lot of other calling.
The reason they came here was without merit,there was no problem with that, but the S/Ws ,Lori ,being able to get away with that was and is very, very disturbing, another new technique for her which worked.
Cp.J.Thorton was professional and normal.He just didn'tt know what the situation was. How could he when the inner workings are still to try and cover up the mess they made with this,and not tell the patrolmen,a complaint I've made for years.He did the best he could with what he had to work,being human about it as the situation progressed.
On the other hand, the younger Ofc.,was the worst possible in this situation,being brazen and arrogant,confidently expressing his take on this without knowing what the situation was,the last thing I needed to hear.Who trained him and schooled him on this?
The dismissive term"long,ongoing neighbor dispute for years" doesn't apply here as this situation is not a typical generalization. This is one residency doing everything they can to harass another residency while that residency does everything it can to try and stop it,trying to avoid all circumstances that would make this a two party situation which is exactly what the harassers want and and Enfor.would like to use as as an easy excuse, that evident from the very beginning when this wasn't handled right.That's a lot of responsibility and drain in a situation that is so base and juvenile. And I don't,especially after all this time and effort,need to be dismissively told that by an arrogant,over confident young ofc.who doesn't know what's going on.He should have been informed,but that is not the policy.Inept coverup ind explanations are the continued policy which should be stopped.
I emailed everything I've been emailing out that evening to the two Ofcs.and I mailed them the legal work.Someone should tell them what's going on.It would have helped if they knew it before they showed up.
I guess if the S/Ws can't smash the fence, trespass and harass, scream everyone out of here, blast us with made tapes and cds,they can also call the police and say there's a man in the backyard with a rifle.
That was effective.And don't think for one minute Lori didn't know she was lying .Andy was outback for some time grilling and swimming,with the main garage door open, the backyard well lit up,standard lights,pool lights,white lights in bushes, the situation was obvious,a perfect target for Lori's latest endeavor.
At least we didn't have company or children.Try explaining this to them.
Lori can get out of this by saying, that's what she "thought"was going on. And that's probably how it will be written up and handled.The S/Ws know how to work the system,which is easy for them because when they act up,with actuality of events, it's just excused,for years,for still inexplicable reasons and policy.I don't even think I want to read that police report as it will probably be just as upsetting as anty other written report on this and will probably be handled just as upsetting..It will not in any way be benefical for this residency.I did complain that Lori could get police here on something so severe and upsetting and it would just be a No Report. So there will be a report.I don't vascillate.It's just that when the shock lessen,and everything is remembered,police reports were the S/Ws' and their attorney's aid, technique,and help to keep harassing.
The picture is clear.We don't use this backyard.The S/Ws will do something.And someone will help them.This is ia bad lingering shocker,maybe the point.
The S/Ws still have expensive Injuction violations even thought the maze to proceed is thwarting,as the city wouldn't honor the Injunction.What's the S/Ws' next anctic to take the attention off of it? I guess whatever they want.
Note:Chief Licata did return my call,Monday,and he said he he belived that Lori thought that. He said he would talk to the younger ofc.about his verbalization of the situation at the time.
10-10-08.Approx.5:45P.M.Andy and I were trying to use the backyard,pool,and do some pool maintenance. Lori immediately came out and put on her newest, made, repetitive cd,approx. 45 seconds of chorus and then approx.45 seconds of music,something quiet and not discernable, then 45 seconds of chorus and then 45 seconds of quieter music,this over and over and over,at first blasted. This was intolerable,having put up with this technique for years, and I got out of the backyard.Lori immediately switched to regular music,stayed out with it awhile,and then went inside and left it on.
Lori's new choice of repetitive chorus,"We are the champions of the world. We'll keep on trying til' the end." Nothing,of course,deliberate.Andy want back out to use the pool without me.Lori ,outside,kept increasing the volume,reg.music,until he finally got out of the pool and came inside.Lori then immediately turned off the cd player,went inside and took it with her.We didn't go back out and neither did she.My options in LHP have been depleted as the Chief said I have to go to the Sheriff's Dept. if I want help.I would like to request a police report with Lori's and the S/Ws' response to the made repetitive cd technique that evening and for the years,at various volumes and lengths, before and after the Injunction,but again my option is that Dept. If that option were exercised,as past and used method,there would probably be a quick response from a LHP representative to say everything is under control,nothing is wrong,nothing happened,the S/Ws never meant to bother anyone,etc.,etc.,etc.It would probably be someone newer and younger so when the truth came out,it could be said that that person just didn't "know".It would probably take a month to straighten the situation out,it would be draining and time consuming,but so is this,and this residency still can't be used in any normal way.
10-08-08The S/Ws' mindset is still a problem and at this point probably irreversible.It has been quieter,which was good,but there are snide,base remarks when the S/Ws work on their pool pump,a lot,the closest proximity to this residency,one from a while ago being,Gail can't call Chief Licata anymore,Mr.Starr to Lori and John.They gloat,loud.The mindset or the attitude didn't change,still being very brazen and determined.The cd technique,already explained,is a slippery slope.Now the cd thing is getting louder and louder,Lori claps when I go outside even when she is in the pool,and she goes inside and leaves it on.It would be nice to have company without worrying about all this.We haven't had any since the last time they used the cd technique.insert date.The situation of the S/Ws doing what they want,being excused,then discussed later as,in the past,should still not be circulating.A continual pattern is a continual pattern.I told Chief Licata when trying to stop that blasting cd technique and that"issue"cd technique for months,that pretty soon,people would be saying that that was in the past too.The difference is,I/we really had to put up with it for over five months,along with really putting up with eveything else.Big difference.
10-02-08 The S/Ws do have expensive Settlement Agreement violations,are very aware of it,loud discussions,arguments, etc.,and after all their latest mumbo jumbo with the city to take attention away from it,it's still there.That last over five months of being blasted with that "issue"cd and the cd technique in general is just not going to happen again or anything like it,and it seems that the only way that that could be possible is too proceed with the Sett/Agree.no matter how thwarted it has been.-I would like to have a normal Holiday Season this year.Even when we were trying to put that fence up,1-08,Lori blasted that"issue"cd for hours,that alone intolerable,but she also danced and skipped around that property line as close to Andy as she could get while it was on,while he was trying to secure the fence pieces to the posts,and she also sat in their backyard,faced us and did a continual forced loud laughter,with that cd on during that.They have never been lacking in determination or vulgarity,and they certainly had the backup.That cd technique has always been a slippery slope with it probably eventially going back to full force technique harassment. My concern is the S/Ws' reaction to the above and what they will do to counteract it as they are not used to doing whay they don't want to.
In general with the whole situation and the way it was handled, the S/Ws are determined and formidable,and given an opportunity to victimize with protection,they will,when most other people,given an opportunity to victimize with protection,just won't.They were the worst possible people to give this protection to.Again, this should have been over in a maximum of six months and the rest should not have had to transpire. Case No.01-11629(04 ) Carney Injunction/Settlement Agreement(11-05)Carney
10-05-08.Lori,pool,cd,opera,too loud but softer than usual.John stays out about 10 mins.A few evenings ago,she was out at pool after dark with cd so low,you had to be outside to hear it It is possible.It just wasn't done..
10-08-08.5-6:30P.M.Lori,pool,cd,too loud but quieter than usual.When I go back outside,I had been out when Lori came out,Lori starts clapping while she is in the pool. She just has to do something.She increases the volume and goes inside and leaves it on.Mindset.This cd thing is a slippery slope.
Police reports may be the only deterent and way to stop this as the S/Ws don't want to get caught lying on them,as it is a Violation,which they have loudly discussed and argued on how to get around.This will not be a money making situation or even a money recouping situation.This would probably result in a lien.It,Violation procedure,is also a lot ot of time consuming work,but it's done anyway,along with at the same time putting up with all the harassment,and this residency still can't be used in any normal way.Lori was right back with that cd technique after Sat.night.They still think they are invincible.The procedure,described situation,below should also be considered.All this could have been avoided right when the injunction was instated.
NOTE,IMPORTANT: 10-11-08 AND 10-16-08 NEED TO BE HERE IN CORRECT ORDER
10-08 I am not the least bit happy about what happened, Sat.10-11-08.I put up the website to stop that.I still believe Lori deliberately lied for effect.The S/Ws have had loud arguments and discussions over how not to get caught lying on a police report. Why not ask them things 'for a police report'? It might stop the lying and and more of this type of thing.
Now that the S/Ws have upped the harassment with a scarier version of "what Lori thinks",I really am worried about what Lori will "think" of next.
Standard letter.To Whom It may Concern:(names inserted)
Regarding the investigations:
If the Starrs/Watrases told you they never trespassed,and never trespassed and harassed after the Injunction, may I please have that on a police report?
If the Starrs/Watrases told you they never threw that 18 ft. piece of fence into this yard after the Injunction and left it there for weeks,may I please have that on a police report?
If the Starrs/Watrases told you they never lied to the police after the Injunction,may I please have that on a police report?
If the Starrs/Watrases told you that they did not keep repositioning that camera into this residency's windows and pool area after the Injunction,may I please have that on a police report?
If the Starrs/Watrases told you they never screamed at this residency or screamed threats at this residency after the Injunction,may I please have that on a police report?
If the Starrs/Watrases told you they never used made redundant or redundant cds,various volumes,after the Injunction,may I please have that on a police report?
If the Starrs/Watrases told you that they never counseled,etc.,see document pg.3,#4,others after the Injunction,may I please have that on a police report?
If these are not questions asked during the investigation,what was the investigation for,and what was asked?
Thank you, Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E.28 Ave.
Sent10-21-08.10-20-08.I did some yard work.I trimmed the two palms trees on the interior property line.It took about 5 minutes.Lori immediately came out,she had not been out before,turned on her cd player and left it on in their backyard for 2and 1/2 hours,coming out to restart and increase the volume and spend a few short periods of time,5-10 mins.sitting there,as if she was out with it.It was much quieter than usual and no repetition.But,it was done deliberately,and this is once again a slippery slope,and,as patterns have shown,it will increase to louder and deliberate repetition.That rifle thing should be wearing off and it's probably time for them to get back to the usual harassment as something always has to be done..We might try to have company with children this weekend.We've been tying about once a month and it is always the same pattern.I am asking ahead of time if Lori could not blast them until they get out of this backyard or use that repetitive technique,various volumes,until they get out of this backyard,a continual pattern and violation.Thank you.
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