12-20-08.Lori needs to be told not to pull her car up right up next to me and stop when she sees me trying to take a walk.This is too startling and I don't know what she is going to do. Sat.evening,12-20,I walked to the corner of 28th Ave.and Sample to look at the lights and turned around to look at the ones on our house,from the easment.A car pulled into 28th Ave.and stopped right next to me in the road. I looked to see if it was just a stopped car or someone I knew,as it was right next to me.It was Lori. She turned on her interior lights and made a phone call, or took a picture,or something.Then she backed up about 3 yds.into Sample Rd.and went east. I was startled and just didn't move until she left.This was no"mistake".I was the only one there and it was too close to me,and I don't know what she will do.Gray areas of the Injunction discussed below.Earlier,late afternoon, Andy had spent some time trimming the trees on the north east side of the garage.There was some sort of thing over this,John walking too much between the garages while he was trimming.This was a little tense as the S/Ws,as a standard,call the police when Andy tries to do yard work ,but this time,no patrol cars showed up.
I believe the S/Ws have and are trying to counteract the Injunction Violations with anything they can think of ,ineffective with regard to the already done Violations,this counteracting an annoyance in general.
This is primarily a residential Injunction,the areas of harassment off the property a gray area.But you can be sure the S/Ws checked every part of it to see when and and how to harass.We had a big problem wiith road harassment around this property.
And they have tried many times in other places to do this.They just don't get the backup they get in LHP.
For instance: Pre Injunction, insert date. Andy had dropped me off at K Mart in Pompano to shop,drove to get something to eat,came back to get me,circled the parking lot,didn't see me outside,so he parked,came inside,and helped me finish shopping.
Later that afternoon,when we were home,Lori and Mark really blasted us with tapes,they not outside,the player too close to the interior fence,so loud,I finally called Community Liasion to try and stop it,and of course got no help,and we had to listen to the blasting for over an hour.
But, Com.Lias.said the S/Ws had called in to say Andy had harassed them at a store and they had filed a report against him.This was very alarming. It took a while to track this as we had no idea when and where this had happened as we didn't even remember seeing them anywhere.I finally called Chief Licata to ask Com Lia.to ask the S/Ws where they had filed this so we would know what was going on.They filed it at the Sheriff's Dept.in Pompano.Apparently they were in the K Mart parking lot when Andy pulled back into get me and that was enough for them to try and pull something. We drove to the Sheriff's Dept.,picked up the report,and explained that there was a filed lawsuit against the S/Ws for harassment and stalking,and they were always trying to counteract that,and that Dept.said they would document/make note of that.
And we really never knew they were in that parking lot.The S/Ws are a lot of trouble and a lot of work.Later I could hear Lori yelling that she wanted to see my receipt from the store.
Lori screamed at me for hrs.-see audio tapes,website-, that I had tried to harass her at work when I had never even been there and that she had called the Sheriff's Dept.over that.The screaming was,of course,all right in LHP.She also screamed that I was harassing her on her cell phone,which I never did,that screaming also ok,and that she had called the Sheriff's Dept.about that.The S/Ws later had loud discussions,some outside,about the latter,as those calls had been traced to a hospital orderly and Lori didn't think there was enough done about it.There was of course no regard that she had really screamed at me about it,as in LHP she/they could scream,threaten,trespass,smash the fence,and harass,etc., all they wanted, just in general. We hadn't and didn't get involved with the Sheriff's Dept.as the the sitution in in LHP was already too horrific,too time consuming,and too expensive.
12-17-08. Mr.Starr is still driving on the wrong side of the road.Cars proceeding quickly north on 28th Ave.don't expect this when they make a right turn into 35th Ct. When we could have children here, I wouldn't let them play on that N.W,corner in the front of the house because of the turning traffic.It's different when residents on the other side of 35th Ct. enter because no one is barreling west on 35th Ct. to enter 28th Ave.Andy and I were both in the driveway today when Mr.Starr did this in front of us hugging the/our grass easement,but at least.he didn't look this way or give this residency the finger.
The S/Ws have a juvenile preoccupation with letting us know they can do what they want.I did complain about this, but it was after I saw two near misses in front of this house while he was pulling out onto 28th. Ave.,one being a pool truck with a trailer,and I felt I had to say something.This is not just an attempt to get him a traffic ticket.That is not the intention or point.He just needs to stop,as a standard route.Someone should tell him to stop.I won't bring this up again.
We have worse,serious problems here with them which have to be focused on,dealt with,and the attention given to that.
12:30P.M.Mr. Starr did it again.That time I tried to take a picture from inside the porch.I got 1/2 the car,situation still obvious.It's not safe to go outide to take pictures or to let them know you are trying to do it.Months after the Injunction, the S/Ws were still harassing and trespassing between the garages.The five feet of bushes and plants were still there so there was no way they weren't off their property. John was particularly brazen about that part.
The Injunction says the S/Ware not to encourage,suggest,others to violate-insert exact statement,pg.,etc. that,in general,necessary to be stated and included at the final drafting and signing for obvious reason.John still did it with Lori outside with him.One time,I was in the driveway when he kept walking back and forth,trespassing between the garages,and waving at me,taunting, while he was doing it. I went inside to get the camera,came back out,and tried to take some pictures of him doing it.Then I could hear Lori yelling inside the house.Then a patrol car showed up. Lori and John had called to complain that I was trying to take pictures of John, and that was harassing them. I tried to tell the Ofc. that I had an Injunction to stop the trespassing,and John and Lori were taunting me and violating it.That went nowhere as the Ofc. referred it back to Community Lia.Just another incident of how brazen they are,an instated Injunction, trespassing,deliberate taunting,and they called to say they were being harassed and got a patrol car.And they got away with it.Lori used to scream and harass while she took pictures of us and company,real harassment,that,of course,ok.I left a message for Chief Licata about that incident.I believe the responding Ofc.was Ofc.Swiget, a patrticipent from the very beginning,Hawkins/Oh era.insert date.There are more incidents with that fence situation.I finally put up the plastic fence between the garages and they,of course,got more patrol cars over that. Incidents to be added. Chief Licata called on those incidents. All refered back to Comm.Lias.,in charge.
I complained to Chief Licata many times,before and after the Injunction,about the Communuity Lias.policies which didn't help and protected and covered for the S/Ws,but Com.Lias.always got and did what it wanted, no matter how obvious and obtuse.I also complained about the concurrent Hawkins/Oh policy,same result.
Incidents-Lori,yellingand sitting camera incidents,after Injunction,inset dates:
CORRECTION-Yelling camera incident took place while the fence was still hanging an a 45 degree angle.The sitting chair camera incident definitely took place the day the S/Ws removed the fence pieces,picture of her sitting there available,taken from the inside of this residency,as it is not safe to ever take direct pictures of them outside,no matter what they are doing. See later incident.Both incidents memorable.Final editing has specifics,infor.and dates on audio messages requiring listening and refering to them,which I don't like to do.
Yelling camera incident- Lori, was really mad,probably about the broken fence(?) and stood on the interior property line.8 ft. off the pool,with a camera taking pictures and yelling at Andy while he was trying to brush the pool, yelling,"OK,as----,now, I can take your picture!"with the three men outside with her I called Comm.Lias.about that,and was told, if you can tape her,she can take pictures.(?) I said,well she's screaming at us while she's doing it.
After the S/Ws had to remove the broken interior fence pieces and the big piece they threw into this yard,-Toni,code enfor,.changing her story on that later saying it was our fence(?),- Lori put a chair right on the interior property line,8ft off the pool,and sat in it with her camera facing this house,Mr. Starr sitting further back in their the yard,over 15 minutes,and we left,with her still sitting there.
Luckily,the now new visibility kept the S/Ws back from the interior property line,no fence barrier to stand behind and harass,which is probably what Lori was so mad about, and we got some help with that fence barrier prolem.
Lori and John called and got a patrol car,about me trying to take John's picture while he was taunting me and trespassing,saying it was harassing him/them, after the above two stated incidents.They are very brazen.
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THESE EMAILS ARE REPEATED.THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO REORGANIZE THE BLOG.
Explanation to recipients:1-21-09.There is still a fear that the whole thing could just start up all over again and the lack of it is just too good.That's why the following emails were never sent.There is,however,infor.in them necessary for website protection.I believe the S/Ws' mindset is still strong,loud discussions,and that they will continue to try and cause trouble here and elsewhere.Emails below finally being sent 1-21-09.
1-17-09.The following emails have not yet been sent.The lack of harassment is just too good.There is a fear that it could 'rock the boat' and the whole thing could just start up all over again by complaining or even mentioning anything.E mails had to be sent for over 11 months to finally over two dozen people in the city at last twice a week to try and stop all this.It stopped suddenly with no explanations given by anyone.
1-14-09. IN GENERAL A big thank you to whoever is responsible for getting that cd technique off!
The other forms of harassment have stopped. Let's hope this is finally over and not just another lull.
There is still the basic fear/reality that the whole thing could start up all over again with the S/Ws getting law enfor.protection,cover ups and another free ride.A whitewash investigation was expected as Ofcs.were instucted and controlled by superiors' policies.
Again thank you to whomever, for the one really big and necessary improvement.But there is still the basic worry of it just starting up all over again.
1-30-08.There has been a degree of normalcy in the past weeks and I would like to thank whoever is responsible for that.We actually had company with children twice and used the backyard without getting blasted.However, the situation is still tenacious,and uncertain,as the extent of the harassment is directly related to law enfor.policy,and currently law enfor.seems to not be backing up the S/Ws,but that could change at any time and the whole thing could start right back up again.
The fact that the city had to be saturated with emails for over 11 months to stop that deliberate,harassing,repetitive cd technique, when there was already an instated Injunction to stop it, is a disgrace.All the events of this past year including the fence fiasco are a disgrace.Not discounting the preceeding years.
The continuing standard unending cycle of new upsetting events reminding of all the past upsetting events,over and over,does not produce solution or closure.
The S/Ws need to be controlled by something outside the city and that requires reports.
Again,thank you to whoever is responsible for getting that cd technique stopped. I don't think at present it could be tolerated for even 15 minutes.
But again,please be reminded that that could have been controlled with the instated Injunction, probably in approx. one month, instead of putting up with it for over 11 months,with other incidents.
When the Chief was made aware of the whole situation over three years ago,that situation and the bad problems with it in the preceeding years was addressed,as were all situations and the bad problems with them in the preceding years, discussed.
The Hawkins/Oh policy and Community Liaison policy was a dismal failureand should have been terminated in a maximum of six months, not used as standard policy for years, and definitely should not have been/be used in training and informing new Ofcs.
There is still a reasonable apprehension/fear that everything could just start up all over again at anytime,and the Injunction will just be disregarded,again,and the S/Ws will get another free ride to harass.
Thank you, Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E 28 Ave.LHP.
It is hoped that newer Ofcs.will be trained with the facts of this situation instead if being used to continue it,as counteracting this has been a time consuming,expensive,life altering,and completely unnecessary drain on this residency.
After six years of the Hawkins/Oh policy and the Community Liason policy,concurrent, and after three years of the Chief running this around in circles,the Comm.Lia.and Hawkind/Oh policies still backed,the situation remains indefensable,this past year being particularly grueling and intense, and intolerable,as measures were taken by this residency to stop this,which were ignored,and this past past year should just not have had to happen or be endured,as with all of it.
1-05-09. Again, thank you to whoever was responsible for getting that cd technique off.
Near the end,even 10 minutes of that deliberate torture was not tolerable.However,the situation is still inconclusive and unsettling.There is a tendency to not want to rock the boat by even mentioning it or talking about it,as it could just start up all over again.
It cost the S/Ws less than $3,000 a year for complete,unfettered 24 hr.a day harassment for years,not counting the free ride after the Injunction, a bargain by any harassers' standards,as they usually just have to stop,not just given opportunity to blatently continue.It didn't appear that there was anything more important the S/Ws wanted to do,as their chief entertainment was harassing this residency and getting police attention.
The only company has been the daughter and grandchildren,as they have already been putting up with the S/Ws' policy for years and know what to expect when it goes bad,which is to leave. This is still hard to explain to other people,as the explanation of,maybe you won't be harassed or blasted out or maybe you will, or maybe the S/Ws wlll think or not think of something,does not suffice.Exactly who would want to come here with the risk of the whole thing starting up again while they were here? It's too hard to deal with with here alone with no company,let alone the ramifications of trying to have compny and there always were intolerable ramifications.
Again,thank you to whomever,for getting the cd technique off, the most important current thing.
But the situation is still tenacious, this residency still cannot be used in any really normal way,and nobody in LHP lived or lives like this.
There is still the basic fear/reality that the whole thing could just start up all over again.
Note- Insert to middle:Andy's mother spent her last five years listening to the S/Ws' horrific family fights as did all company and the neighbors.In 1993, she sent a letter to her daughter mentioning this and she sent it back to me years later when the S/Ws targeted us.At the beginning, Det.Hawkins was given it. It didn't matter.The S/Ws got protection
At the beginning, the S/Ws really went after Andy,along with children,grandchildren,company,and me,anyone who dared to come over here.Their chronic,escalating, screaming family fights had been/were really out of control especially between the garages where they entered and exited, fighting with each other,on this property, which they had just taken and used as theirs.Lori confronted me and said Andy had ignored her and that if he didn't want to hear her screaming,he could move,that she could make anyone move.I did ignore her once and then she really came after me,and never stopped.
But, there was other lame rational.Lori had won a civil suit by pounding and pounding a hotel,which gave in and paid her,the exact facts not the issue,the pounding was.She had gotten them in a vulnerable position,on premises three days with hotel employee,and went to 14 attys.to finally do this.She was very proud of this,but didn't stop with that. She kept trying to use that situation,non event,as an excuse for her behavior.
The S/Ws thought now they had civil suit savvy.From the beginning,when they targeted this residency,they decided to sue Andy, the homeowner,for basically anything they could think of,saying people here bothered them,and wanted police reports for that.This objective started fom the begining,at least one and one half years before the S/Ws were sued to stop the harassment and stalking.This was scary as they were relentless,and Lori had already gotten away with this.This went on for years with ther loud discussions and plannings on how they could sue Andy and how they would go about it. At one time, Mark, in one of their loud discussions,said it was tine to get going on suing Andy because he couldn't afford docking fees and he needed money for that.When Lori was screaming at me full blast,she would forget and yell the things she had used in that suit. At deposition,Atty.Yates tried to use that suit that as an excuse for Lori's behavior,waving some paperwork,a typical maneuver, and I told him flat out exactly what happened with that suit,and the S/Ws and their Atty.,never,and I mean never,tried to use that again,and the S/Ws stopped talking about it loudly in their yard.
Meanwhile,the screaming, threatening,banging,patrol harassment calls,screech singing,trying to provoke two party fights and arguments, trespassing, harassing, tape/cd/radio blasting,etc.,etc.,etc.,were going on full force with law enfor. protection and backup.
The rational behind the S/Ws behavior is not the issue.The issue is that they got all the backup and protection from law enforcement to do it. From the begining, Det.Hawkins and the Ohs knew exactly what was going on.They decide to just service the S/Ws.There is no excuse
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This is about the time a year ago when the code board/fence fiasco took place the end result, this residency was fined and cover ups were tried for the S/Ws.The whole situation was like having the Night of the Living Dead on the other side of the fence and over the property line,who apparently,from the beginng ,bit law enfor.
1-10-09.We had company,two adults,one teenager, Andy's son's family and it was pleasant as we did not get harssed or blasted,however,we did not try to use the backyard,pool, or grill. For years whenever,they showed up, the S/W 's would up the harassment, screaming, banging, threatening, tying to start a two party fight,and really blasting cds/tapes and a third world type radio station so loud, you could hear it in the park,making this residency unusable.Plus, there were their horrific screaming family fights where the screaming graphic descriptions of violence and the rest were not suitable for a young girl or children.There was family tension here as the daughter-in-law really wanted to tell the S/Ws to stop and I finally had to tell her to stay away,as the ramifications from that would make everything even more unbearable.
There already had been that continual three day screaming and banging situation at the fence and when we finally told them to stop,the S/Ws got three patrol cars here saying we had bothered them by telling them to stop,their complaint was the only thing addressed,nothing was done about the screaming and banging,etc.,as that went back to Comm.Lia./Det.Hawkins where of course nothing was done about it.Then they went right back to harassing,screaming and banging, that whole thing really unnerving, but evident of the S/Ws power.
The son's family moved out of state.Some time later,insert date,Andy's son flew back for a job interview,bringing the daughter,and they tried to stay here.We tried to sit in the backyard and barbeque and the S/Ws yelled they were calling the police and were going to"break up the party,"and Lori started her screaming thing,going back and forth from their backyard to their front yard,all five of them home during this,for over two hours.We went inside A patrol car pulled up and parked with an ofc.across the street on 35th Ct.in front of the Krutek residency and stayed for over an hour. I guess we were lucky the police did not come to this residency on a complaint from the S/Ws that we were bothering them,but that might have involved stopping the screaming,and at that time, the Hawkins/Oh, Comm Lias.policies were in effect sanctioning and protecting the S/Ws behavior,and nothing could be done about that anyway.
This was about the time the excuse that were did not handle paperwork properly started to be used even though there was no one to complain to and no way to get paperwork to stop it,as the two concurrent policies protected the S/Ws.This excuse was tried by the Chief in 2008,changing it to, the S/Ws handled paperwork better than us,which shouldn't have excused the S/Ws' behavior, and we had a filed Injunction.E mailing the entire city for over 11 months to get help,the only option,did get around this,not the original reason for doing it,as you don't need paperwork,which you can't get anyway, to do it.
When the website was first put up, there should have been more written explanation to go with the over five years of audio, more audio available just not up,and in general,but it was just too much to do all at once,so with a current situation, a past situation was added,to finally get the big job done in parts,so necessary infor. for the website is intemingled in the emails.
Some time ago,the Palm Beach branch of the Law Firm of Broad and Cassels was considering taking this city case,even though it wasn't their specific type of case,then declined for that reason,and the Broward branch had just given awards to LHP employees with a PR thing. If anyone is considering discussing any of this with them, it might be a a conflict of interest as the Palm Beach branch was given a lot of information.It's a large firm so it takes a while for infor.and cases to circulate.Years ago,pre Injunction,opposing Atty. R.Yates made the in your face suggestion of suing the city as solution to stop this mess,the realization that that would be 20 times harder than trying to stop him,with the law enfor.backup the S/Ws had and the backup law enfor.had.
The amount of people,situations,and agencies that never would have had to been dealt with or even just encountered through all the years if it weren't for having to stop the S/Ws is daunting,the entire situation overwhelming and life altering.This should have been over in a maximum of six months,but there were other plans.
Anyway, again thank you to whoever got that intolerable cd technique off. One month of that should have been enough for the S/Ws to get their nuisance fix.
Let's hope the harassment,etc.is finally really over.
1-17-09.It seems,not yet verified,that the S/Ws,loud discussions,are still trying to cause trouble.The wesbsite and blogspot are definitely necessary for referral,protection,and prevention.
1-21-09.I believe the S/Ws' mindset is still strong and they will continue to try to cause trouble here or elsewhere for some time.
1-24-09.Lori has been,more frequently,opening their backyard sliding glass door or going into their backyard and making one and two sentence loud remarks as, 'it's not safe for her to be outside, when it's safe for her to be outside,she can't be outside too long or it will start up again', as if she/they are the victims,one1-22-09,with John,too close to the interior fence and gate,when I was trying to sit in the backyard.She/they know what they are doing. Again,1-24-09,Lori and Mel,minor, I was trying to sit in the backyard,but then loud,angry discussions inside.
This may be considered trivial taken out of context or compared to the past behavior,but it is still really unnerving mindset probably irreversable at this point.She/they know what they are doing.
If the S/Ws hadn't been given such so much protection and excuses by law enfor.,which they then used as their excuse to continue,with a sense of entitlement,they might think differently now.I don't think the position of the S/Ws as victimizers will ever be acknowledged in/by this city.
1-26-09. A cousin is visiting for a few days to attend a funeral and to help with yardwork,etc.The S/Ws targeted him for yrs.when this was tried and tried to complain that he was bothering them for just being here along with anyone else who dared to set foot on this property.It was easier to have him just not come here along with everyone else.Let's hope this is over.
There has been no standard overt harassment,the S/Ws are capable of this, it just wasn't their objective.However,Sat.,1-31-09,the first time we actually tried to sit and talk in the backyard, Mr.Starr and John came right out,Mr.Starr was near the interior border and John was the closest he could get to us inbetween the garages on his property,and Mr.Starr said there was a problem with the garbage,and John said he wasn't going to do it as it may start something up,and Mr.Starr said that that was the problem,then John went back and forth between the garages,and Mr.Starr sat in their backyard with Lori and they yell talked for about half an hour.Juvenile,but disturbing, as I had just complained,emails, about Lori's mindset doing that.It is still unclear as to why Mr.Starr got so much backup for years to to harass,trespass, participate in all this and continue to direct it.This, again, taken out of context may seem trival but the minset is still problematic.
1-31-09.The Ofc.introduced to the S/Ws' situation at the S/W's "'think" electrocution incident,insert date, was Ofc.Brian Tarbox.I did talk to him that day,phone,and immediately sent him the legal work,Settlement Agreement,and emails so he wouldn't be getting all his infor.from the Ohs,and I told him I had put the recorder on when the S/Ws were "think" lying to the police inbetween the garages,it was so loud you could hear it in this house,they didn't think I was home so they were full force, so there was no fooling around with that, and he acted reasonable and polite.But the overall harassment still continued until explained above. Ofc.B.Tarbox is now on standard administrative investigative leave resulting from an incident,1-24-09, when he shot a man in the buttocks who he said was trying to run him over.Commander M.Oh has been the police spokesperson for this to the news.
2-03-09.There is still an unerving,belligerent mindset next door.This blogspot is necessary for quicker referralif there are any more incidents and for further ptotection here or elsewhere.Continually emailing and mailing legal documents for assistance is/was lot of work.
2-06-09.Possible explanation for the harassment stop:
Direct mail.No email available.
Judge Robert Carney,
Re:Case No. 01-011629 (04) pg.4, B. Document enclosed. Emails already widely distributed
Is it possible to proceed with the Violations process without police reports?
They are not obtainable in LHP. Chief Ross Licata.954-784 -3425
It appears that no one wants the mess made out of this,before and after the Settlement Agreement,discussed outside the city.
The situation with the Starr/Watrases continues to be problematic.
Thank you, Gail Pfistner 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP,Fl.33064 954-943-4386
Judge Robert Carney,
Re:Case No. 01-011629(04)pg. 4,B. Settlement Agreement Violations.
Is it possible to proceed with the Violations process without police reports?
E mails had to be sent for over 11 months to finally over two dozen city employees,including the mayor,city admin.,all commissioners,code enfor.and law enfor.,at least twice a week,with the Injunction known,to try and stop the intolerable harassment.It suddenly stopped with no explanations given by anyone.I did send a copy of the above letter to a Commissioner,in Dec.,not yet sent to you,which may have been a catalyst for some help.
Widely distributed emails and infor.up for further protection and easier accessability onwww.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ as a link to www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ It may be that the only way to really stop and prevent all this is to proceed with the Violations process. Thank you, Gail Pfistner 3540 N.E.28th Ave. LHP.Fl. 954-943-4386
It is still inexplicable as to why Det.L.Hawkins,Com.M.Oh,Chief Licata,etc.spent so much time protecting and covering up for the S/Ws.With regard to the reports necessary for the Violations process,Chief Licata first said I could have them, then told me to use the 'clanging dish' situation,then told me to go to the Sheriff's Dept.,then made a lot of really lame excuses defending the S/Ws.-Added:When I again asked,9-10-08,I was told to use the report from 9-09-09and to talk to those Ofcs.He never replied to my letter.- That's when I decided I would have to complain to the Judge to try and stop this as the harassment was daily,consistant,deliberate,and escalating.
This last year was especially intolerable with the deliberate made repetition cds,some of those two mins.over and over,a violation.Mr.Starr and Lori had loud discussions,the term torture against the house used.They knew what they were doing. Lori knew she had the police. It was very hard fending off the S/Ws and their law enfor.while being harassed.With the harassment stop,the playing field is a little more leveled. However there is still the fear it could just start up all over again,this situation being a product of the S/Ws behavior and law enfor.policy,both out of control.
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2-09-09. Another possible explanation for the harassment stop?
LHP"Keeper Days"Febr.6-8,2009. Det.L.Hawkins,honored.
Even,with the parade route directly in front of this residency and events planned in the park across the street,as usual, I,obviously preoccupied with other matters,did not take the time to read about this or pay much attention to it this year.
I did not even know Det.L.Hawkins was being honored until approx.4 PM.Sat.2-07-09,when I looked for the Jan.city newsletter I had just stored someplace to find out about the park activities. I guess it's not a good idea to have this still going on when he is being honored and getting an award of this magnittude.
This was quite a shock. However,in a city that tolerates such intense hararssment and stalking for years,it shouldn't be shocking that someone responsible for this would get this award anyway.
At this point, any assistance to stop this,even agenda based, is appreciated.
However, I am still a little worried about any more possible explantions for the harassment stop.This possible explanation turned out to be a ten.
I don't think Chief Licata will try again to say the S/Ws just stopped all by themselves because they just wanted to.They still have loud discussions and arguments,some screaming,audible into this house and backyard,over this.They didn't and don't want to stop,and given any opportunity, will continue.
There are many memories for years of dealing with Det.L.Hawkins and this whole thing and they are not happy keeper days memories. Perhaps someone should have considered that before they decided to honor him.
Note.Det.L.Hawkins retired in Aug.08,citing family reasons.
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2-13-09. Re:LHP Keeper Days,Det.L.Hawkins named honoree,harassment stops.
Det.Hawkins should not have been honored.His actions,for years,while employed by the city,took too much time and expense to counteract.He already received the Ofc.of the Year award during one of the worst years.Harassers of this intensity should not have ben given so much law enforcement protection.
Attorney E.Bruce Johnson,arguing,2006,that the city is not responsible for the negligent acts of govt.workers,should not have been given such pull in this city.He didn't put up with any of this.The harassment,etc.with law enfor.protection then continued even with an Injunction.
There is still the basic fear/reality that the whole thing could just start up all over again once the excitement of the celebration is over.This stinging,disingenuous tradeoff is however still,from an obvious point of vulnerbility,acknowledged as expressed appreciation. Anything to stop itThis turned out to be a strange anything. Thank you, Gail
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2-14-09.Settlement Agreement Violation process.
I've been requesting police reports for some time now for the Violation's process and am still requesting them.The city had it's own agenda for containing the S/Ws and now that agenda is over.The only solution is the violation's process.The S/Ws violated every part of the Injunction.
1:15-2:15P.M.Lori and Mr.Starr sit in their backyard and face this residency,this noticable as Lori's radoio could be heard in this house.Mr.Starr,sitting next to Lori,gave me or this residency the finger when I looked out the window.It must be nice to be so confident.Unnerving. Mindset.Lori increases the volumeThis is a slippery slope.It never justs stays with that.
I guess behaving while the celebration is going on is over.This is definitely the S/Ws' city.
They shouldn't have gotten law enfor.protection for so long and they shouldn't be getting a free ride on all the violations. Police reports are still requested.This could just start up all over again-unless the city wants them to behave obviously for their own agenda.The city should still not be covering for them.
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Re: Another possible explanation for the harassment stop?
Anothe possible explanation for the harassment stop is that this wasn't done for the benefit of this residency,there was plenty of earlier opportunity to do that,that it was done to contain the S/Ws during the KeeperDays/Det.L.Hawkins award celebration so there wouldn't be a flare up with them during it with all the PR.
Now that that agenda is over,it would be very unsettling,regarding the S/Ws,to go back to the standard harassment techniques,and to Cm.M.Oh trying to say they never did anything wrong,and to Chief Licata trying to say nothing happened because'he had no written reports'.That was very annoying especially during the banging on the fence for over 5 years discussions with him,because while he was trying to say that as excuse,the S/Ws had really complained to the city about wanting that fence,and Lori could be heard yelling on the phone saying she did it,wouldn't do it again,and wanted the fence,with no regard to what they had done with it before or what they would do with another one.It is very hard for law enfor.to cover up for people who tell other people in the city and elsewhere flat out we did it so what and also admit it civilly. The mentality of the whole thing could be summed up by the image of Mr.Starr and the S/Ws giving this residency the finger.They got and get what they want.I never should have told anyone that bothers me but he was also driving on the wrong side of the road along this easement and doing it.
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2-16-09. This also wasn't a level playing field.I had to have these whitewash discussions which went nowhere while being blasted and at different volumes with made,repetitive,deliberate,harassing cds over and over and over,2008,along with all the rest,after already putting up with all the proceeding.It's easy to talk when you're salaried and not listening and dealing with this.In the course of trying to cover this up,I think people forgot what the real problems were,while at this end,they were still being put up with while trying to stop them.Not a fair situation to deal with.
More Incidents:Web Link.Reposition to 9-08 .The Kruteks watched the S/Ws harassing and trespassing for years until the mesh fence was out up between the garages to keep them out,along with their visible and audible horrific family fights extending into their front yard before and after they targeted us.At least Mr.Krutek didn't lie when the S/Ws wanted him as a witness,trying to say Andy had chased Lori or Lori and John down 35th Ct. Andy had been watering with and moving portable sprinklers on the north and west side,not the interior east side,of this residency.When he was out there,Lori and John walked over to the median in front of the Krutek residency looking for their cat which had run away again.Andy came right inside when he saw Lori and John crossing the street. to the median John had been yelling that Andy went in and out of the house too much moving and using the sprinklers and that bothered Lori/them that he was out there.Lori started yelling that Andy had chased her or John and her down 35th Ct.and she had a witness.This went on for days, loud, yelling, threatening,and taunting,the usual route,behind the fence,trespassing between the garages,and on the northeast side.
We had to listen to it.This was allowed in LHP.Ask Comm.Lias. Lori was also yelling that she had put up a poster about the cat in Publix and it was down and she had told them that I had done it.It gets very worrisome over what the S/Ws say and do in other places.
The Silvers,east of the S/Ws,listened and watched the screaming,banging,family fights,etc.,etc.,for years and as/while/when they knew this residency was and had to pay ito try and stop it.Some time into this,Mrs.Silver floored me by approaching me in the front yard on 28th Ave.really mad saying she had said hello to Lori and John and they had ignored her and she didn't want any part of this. (?) I just replied that we weren't too happy about already spending over $10,000.00 to try and stop this.Ironically,just then, Robbie Thompson,former neighbor,witness to and complainee about the S/Ws' early years before they targeted this residency, drove by in his C.O.P.car,with a trainee,I didn't know until then he had joined,and said hello and I told him we had already spent over $10,000.00 trying to sit in our backyard,and he said he knew and had to leave very quickly and Mrs.Silver said she had to leave quickly too.In all the 'confusion' over this,it's amazing how stunned and evasive people get when confronted with facts.Right when the civil suit was filed,Mrs.Silver approached me and asked me not to call her as a witness and I said I wouldn't,although years later,the second really good atty.said they should be if it went to trial as they were right next door,but it didn't go to trial and they were never asked.This situation brings out the worst in people,but you can't stop the S/Ws without stopping the police and the S/Ws had them,so it was just easier for people to let it happen.And go to award ceremonies.
Note: Added: The Silvers' dogs are barking during the S/Ws' episodes on the tapes.Mrs.Silver had approached me another time saying she had hired a large workman,giving hgt.and wgt,and his mouth dropped,he stopped working,and he dropped everything when he heard Lori screaming.I said,yes and she was also screaming at me.Mrs.Silver did not reply.That went nowhere.Mrs.Silver was the one who told me that a phone company worker had climbed down the pole he was working on on 35th St.and knocked on the resident's door telling them to call the police when he heard Lori screaming.The S/Ws' situation never went unnoticed by someone.
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2-19-09.Sent.This email's final editing is on this blogspot.I had already sent it out to the usual over 25 people and had to resend it because of a correction.Final editing will now be done on the blogspot.Thank you.
N.E.35th St.was a lot more diligent and active as there was a large owner/tenant turnover and each complained about the the S/Ws,but the S/Ws had protection,Com.Lias.,and that was it.N.E.35th St.got the full brunt of the S/Ws' horrific, episodic,screaming,banging, in and out of the two houses into their backyard family fights,which were a regular routine startring at 6P.M.when Mr.Starr got home and continuing until they went to bed,10-11P.M.and during the day on his two days off.This went on for a long,long time,Hawkins/Oh era,and the neighborhood just got used to it and just listened to it.One evening,Mrs. Silver's brother did finally yell shut up,but that was only once as Mrs.Silver had told him not to get involved.Besides,it was known we finally had to file suit and pay for it.Anytime during those lenghty family fights,the S/Ws could come up to this interior property line and scream at and threaten this residency,trespass, and smash the fence which they did regularly at intervals,and claim this residency made them do it and get away with it as if they had never acted like that before they targeted this residencyThose horrific,screaming,banging family fights were so loud you could hear them even when they were inside with the windows and doors closed and the pool pump and AC.running.That's why all those tapes of them fighting with each other inside and outside are also on the wesbsite.They tried to claim their behavior was this residency's fault as if they had never done it before even though everyone had heard them before they targeted us.They also tried to use that in the civil suit.And they had law enfor,/Com.Lias.protecting them,using that excuse.'A two party neighbor feud'.There was no way to stop them.It became just easier for people to try to say that was the problem even though they knew it wasn't.
This was especially annoying during the 'Lori thinks rifle situation',when the very young Ofc.M.Riemer arrogantly told me that.Who told him that? See 10-11-08, already partly written up.This episode was so upsetting,I am just getting to it now to finish.I had only met Ofc.Riemer briefly before on a Lori made call,9-09-08,when she tried to stop my complaint that she was using the cd technique again,an injunction violation with a steep fine,and was of course successful,and got Chief Licata excusing them/letter situation.
That 'Lori think rifle situaton 'was very,very scary which no one seems the least bit concerned about.The two patrol cars had pulled up on the north side in the road.I heard someone saying hello from inside the house and went out to the road where they were.It was really terrifying to hear there was a call in on a rifle report.I immediately knew Lori had done it.The mood was stern and the Ofcs.were wearing vest,etc, the whole get ready for that kind of situation attitude,not the usual more casual attitude.The first thing I thought of was if Andy moved suddenly or had anything in his hands,he could be shot,and he had no idea what was going on as he was in the backyard.I couldn't even call anyone or go back up the driveway as Ofc.Riemer was standing right next to me and blocking me like a basketball player.I did really quickly start explaining that this was a chronic problem with the S/Ws lying to the police and we had an Injunction to stop them from lying to the police,'filing a false police report',with a steep fine.This was extremely tense and upsetting. Luckily, Cp.J.Thornton,this was this first time I remember meeting him, handled it very well after I explained all this to him.He went into the backyard,was very polite to Andy who was very surprised to see him soaking wet having just gotten out or the pool to check the grill,and he let me go into the house to bring out legal papers,he wanted to see the Injunction document,and called Sgt.Nestor to clarify this which I asked him to,as I was still astounded Lori had gotten away with something else,and this was really severe.I immediately sent both Ofcs.all the emails and mailed them the legal documents I had started to send out to others so they would know the situation.They were already sent to Sgt.A.Nestor as a necessity precaution after the 9-09-08 fiasco which is why I had asked him to clarify this with Sgt.Nestor.Sgt. Nestor confirmed he had them.
I just sent Cp.J.Thornton an email saying there was no criticism directed toward him,that he acted professionally, responsibly,and safely in a strange situation,that he just should have been better informed,and thanked him.He probably didn't deserve to get stuck with a call like that anyway.I'm glad he was there.Things could have gone worse.Ofc.M.Riemer continued to act as if he was in a Bruce Willis movie,that part was very unnerving,but he is young.I did speak with Sgt.Nestor that evening,but he's been around since the beginning of this mess.
So, Lori got a super duper nuisiance fix which was very upsetting, probably the point.I'm glad it didn't turn out worse.I should have known something was up because she wasn't using the cd harassment technique which she had been using constantly.I just thought how nice it was to have it off when the backyard was being used.
The S/Ws did however continue with the 'S/Ws think electrocution situation' getting three parol cars,10-29-08, and flat out lied and tried to expound on the rifle situation again to the three officers.This is scary and unnerving.But,after all,law enfor.is for the S/Ws' use and excuse.Please be reminded this this residency has already put up a lot,which has been tried to be dismissed as 'in the past',even with present situations directly continuing it.
About half the situations and incidents are written/up for the website and link protection.The S/Ws and law enfor.have a lenghty,unhealthy,and disturbing history which can't be erased or glitzed over with PR and awards.Maybe certain members of law enfor.could get the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson Award as living up to it and best demonstrating it.
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2-21-09.A small city needs a charismic trophy Chief who is friendly and accessible.However,the new Chief should have been told the truth from the beginning so he could have acted properly instead of becoming the S/Ws' latest puppet.They already had gotten enoughThe problem is once he was,he didn't,digging a deeper hole trying to cover it up.After the 9-09-08 fiasco,over 25 people including a lot of law enfor.were sent legal documents and the emails,the emails already sent to quite a few people since the beginning of 08, to try and stop the lying and the harassment.The harassment and episodes continued anyway. Until the Keeper Days "Award". City image takes priority.
Now, about that irrelevent protective Injunction thing? that non image,non PR thing? that thing to prevent future episodes?
This harassment stop took a parade.
The whole thing could just start up all over again.
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2-21-09.About noon.Noticable,as it was loud and audible into this house,no one was in this backyard,Lori had come out into her backyard to announce that she wanted to file a complaint or make a complaint on her cellphone.She then went right back inside. Mindset. The S/Ws used this a lot standing right up to the fence,interior borders,and while trespassing, so we had to hear it.This was done even during their horrific harassment sessions and own family fights,and this residency got no help.Hopefully,the era of supervisors sending training cops out to pracice on something,whatever the S/Ws wanted which they used as a threat they could do whenever they wanted and got, is over.The mindset isn't.
John had made one really memorable loud call standing right up to the interior fence with Lori in their backyard complaining Andy harrassed Lori and he wanted reports.No one was in this backyard,Andy was at work,I was home alone and could hear it into this houseThat was too unnerving.Harassment to them was if Andy was just at home,inside or outside,but thet still complained when he wasn't even here and yelled about him and 'at' him when he wasn't even here.Meanwhile,they were still going full blast at anyone who dared to be on this property,even chilren,and were keeping up their outrageous family fightsThey really thought they were invincible.They had the backup.
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Emails are still being sent.However,the final editing is on the blogspot for the website link.
2-24-09.Years ago,when I,again, complained about the S/Ws' ridiculous harassing patrol visits sent to here deliberately to harass with the loud threats they,S/Ws, could do it whenever they wanted and get it,and got it, I was told by Com.Lias.that the city had to respond to every call because if they missed just one call and something happened, the city could be liable and could be sued. (?) This E.Bruce Johnson thing is a little biased.If it can negate assisting this residency with such overt obvious harassment,etc.,etc.,why couldn't calls deliberately to harass as technique,by and servicing the S/Ws,also be? It's more than just a little rude to hear loud banging on the door,think it's important,and get out of the shower or get woken up from a nap for anything the S/Ws wanted,such as Lori was mad because she said she heard me complaining about this on the phone inside this house,or someone looked at them,or there were people in the yard,or flat out ridiculous lies.Mark Starr,for years,was really active with this,plotting loudly in the backyard when and how he would call the police and code enfor.,after hours the police come in called on code things, timing it when he felt like doing it ,discussing this with the others.From the beginning, he thought he was quite brilliant to think of the anonymous phone call from a pay phone,again loudly plotting this with John in their backyard,this goes back to when there were a lot of pay phones.
Det.Hawkins told me he/they knew it was he/they doing it. (?) Was this supposed to help? It didn't stop the problem or the visits.It was very unnerving to worry about whom and where the S/Ws were calling because they had such strong Com.Lia. protection and backup,Hawkins/Oh era.
On one Father's Day,the S/Ws really blasted this residency,the player too close to the interior fence and garages and when I was seen in this backyard, Lori yelled she was calling 911and Mark yelled he was driving out to a pay phone.I had to worry if and when the police could be showing up and nothing could be done about the blasting.Not a good way to try and have company.Nobody wanted to put up with them.They actually covered the player with a tarp so they could continue to blast this residency during a bad rainstorm. On one occasion,theS/Ws were really blasting and called in a complaint on this residency.This was apparent when a patrol car pulled up in the road in front of their house and the ofc.couln't even hear,he was standing in the road yelling over it, to call back the station to try and clarify the complaint,the blasting was so loud coming from their backyard.He just left and the blasting continued.At least this was regular music and not the radio or talk radio full blast on static or the made noises tapes which were intolerable.The S/Ws knew what they were doing.Det. Hawkins said he had to put some kind of machine in this yard to gauge the volume.cc:www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
/There are a lot more incidents that need to go up.They will be added a few at a time.
Andy had been working at the south border fence,not the interior.He went out there after dark not late with a standard work flashlight to look for a tool he had misplaced thinking it might be in the grass or bushes thereThis didn't take long and was obvious as we were talking about it when I went out to help him look.The S/Ws immediately called in,loud enough to be heard,probably the point,that there were strange lights coming from this residency's backyard, they didn't know what they were,were worried about it and wanted it checked out.Anything to get a patrol car here and a reportThat time no one came to this door but we fully expected it as the S/Ws usually got what they wanted.It is hard to have a normal lifesytyle with this always going on.Their horrific,screaming,banging family fights were still going on loud enough to be heard even with them inside with their windows and doors closed and the pool pump and A.C.running on the interior border.
/I was home alone.Lori and John made a lot of noise about driving to the station to 'complain' about this residency.They returned shortly,John really mad and yelling,backyard, that he had gotten a warning or ticket vehicular violation while doing that.Mr Starr said he would pay for it.They spent years calling in any code,vehicle violations they could think of. I guess he thouht he was immune.It is kind of surprising he wasn't.They usually are.
/I was home alone,afternoon.Andy's daughter and a friend came by.I had a computer table for her in the garage.This was brief,about one half hour,the situation obvious,garage door open,activity in driveway.I knew the S/Ws would call in a complaint as anyone who pulled up in this driveway'harasses'them just by being there,and they were really trying to get reports to try and counteract the harassment/stalker suit.No one yelled at or bothered us then.But John came home from work in another city.Loud family discussion/argument.He had just gotten fired for calling in too many complaints about this residency at work.The only source for this particular incident was hearing their loud discussions/arguments over it.There was no further attempt to verify it.I didn't know where he worked then and I don't know where he works now.
Some people just won't put up with them.It's always a worry where and what the S/Ws are doing.That's why the website needs to be kept up for referral and further protection.It is disgusting that anyone of that ilk could spend years targeting and taunting Andy and trying to find something wrong with him and ruining this residency.But that could be said in general of all bothering everyone.There was a very protective base. /Add more.
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/Explanation:Not one of the worst episodes:example of 'screech singing' : The S/Ws had had one of their horrible fights inside the main house and Lori had broken a window on their backyard main house,that window closest to this residency,the banging on the glass and window loud and audible.Insert date,8-13-04,8-15-04,audio website.They were then outside and continuing the argument while Mr.Starr was fixing the window,drill,and Lori proceeded to yell at and about this residency at the interior fence in spurts,not the worst incident,but typical.8-17,18-04.Typical deliberate 'screech singing' to harass,not at their other east or south fences.Lori added a device to make a squeeky sound with it./
/6-14-04 is very typical.6P.M.-midnightThere was no one to call then to stop any of this.The S/Ws had Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh protection.We were really stuck with this.Andy wasn't even home for half of it.I was home alone./
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1-17-09.The following emails have not yet been sent.The lack of harassment is just too good.There is a fear that it could 'rock the boat' and the whole thing could just start up all over again by complaining or even mentioning anything.E mails had to be sent for over 11 months to finally over two dozen people in the city at last twice a week to try and stop all this.It stopped suddenly with no explanations given by anyone.
1-14-09. IN GENERAL A big thank you to whoever is responsible for getting that cd technique off!
The other forms of harassment have stopped. Let's hope this is finally over and not just another lull.
There is still the basic fear/reality that the whole thing could start up all over again with the S/Ws getting law enfor.protection,cover ups and another free ride.A whitewash investigation was expected as Ofcs.were instucted and controlled by superiors' policies.
Again thank you to whomever, for the one really big and necessary improvement.But there is still the basic worry of it just starting up all over again.
1-30-08.There has been a degree of normalcy in the past weeks and I would like to thank whoever is responsible for that.We actually had company with children twice and used the backyard without getting blasted.However, the situation is still tenacious,and uncertain,as the extent of the harassment is directly related to law enfor.policy,and currently law enfor.seems to not be backing up the S/Ws,but that could change at any time and the whole thing could start right back up again.
The fact that the city had to be saturated with emails for over 11 months to stop that deliberate,harassing,repetitive cd technique, when there was already an instated Injunction to stop it, is a disgrace.All the events of this past year including the fence fiasco are a disgrace.Not discounting the preceeding years.
The continuing standard unending cycle of new upsetting events reminding of all the past upsetting events,over and over,does not produce solution or closure.
The S/Ws need to be controlled by something outside the city and that requires reports.
Again,thank you to whoever is responsible for getting that cd technique stopped. I don't think at present it could be tolerated for even 15 minutes.
But again,please be reminded that that could have been controlled with the instated Injunction, probably in approx. one month, instead of putting up with it for over 11 months,with other incidents.
When the Chief was made aware of the whole situation over three years ago,that situation and the bad problems with it in the preceeding years was addressed,as were all situations and the bad problems with them in the preceding years, discussed.
The Hawkins/Oh policy and Community Liaison policy was a dismal failureand should have been terminated in a maximum of six months, not used as standard policy for years, and definitely should not have been/be used in training and informing new Ofcs.
There is still a reasonable apprehension/fear that everything could just start up all over again at anytime,and the Injunction will just be disregarded,again,and the S/Ws will get another free ride to harass.
Thank you, Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E 28 Ave.LHP.
It is hoped that newer Ofcs.will be trained with the facts of this situation instead if being used to continue it,as counteracting this has been a time consuming,expensive,life altering,and completely unnecessary drain on this residency.
After six years of the Hawkins/Oh policy and the Community Liason policy,concurrent, and after three years of the Chief running this around in circles,the Comm.Lia.and Hawkind/Oh policies still backed,the situation remains indefensable,this past year being particularly grueling and intense, and intolerable,as measures were taken by this residency to stop this,which were ignored,and this past past year should just not have had to happen or be endured,as with all of it.
1-05-09. Again, thank you to whoever was responsible for getting that cd technique off.
Near the end,even 10 minutes of that deliberate torture was not tolerable.However,the situation is still inconclusive and unsettling.There is a tendency to not want to rock the boat by even mentioning it or talking about it,as it could just start up all over again.
It cost the S/Ws less than $3,000 a year for complete,unfettered 24 hr.a day harassment for years,not counting the free ride after the Injunction, a bargain by any harassers' standards,as they usually just have to stop,not just given opportunity to blatently continue.It didn't appear that there was anything more important the S/Ws wanted to do,as their chief entertainment was harassing this residency and getting police attention.
The only company has been the daughter and grandchildren,as they have already been putting up with the S/Ws' policy for years and know what to expect when it goes bad,which is to leave. This is still hard to explain to other people,as the explanation of,maybe you won't be harassed or blasted out or maybe you will, or maybe the S/Ws wlll think or not think of something,does not suffice.Exactly who would want to come here with the risk of the whole thing starting up again while they were here? It's too hard to deal with with here alone with no company,let alone the ramifications of trying to have compny and there always were intolerable ramifications.
Again,thank you to whomever,for getting the cd technique off, the most important current thing.
But the situation is still tenacious, this residency still cannot be used in any really normal way,and nobody in LHP lived or lives like this.
There is still the basic fear/reality that the whole thing could just start up all over again.
Note- Insert to middle:Andy's mother spent her last five years listening to the S/Ws' horrific family fights as did all company and the neighbors.In 1993, she sent a letter to her daughter mentioning this and she sent it back to me years later when the S/Ws targeted us.At the beginning, Det.Hawkins was given it. It didn't matter.The S/Ws got protection
At the beginning, the S/Ws really went after Andy,along with children,grandchildren,company,and me,anyone who dared to come over here.Their chronic,escalating, screaming family fights had been/were really out of control especially between the garages where they entered and exited, fighting with each other,on this property, which they had just taken and used as theirs.Lori confronted me and said Andy had ignored her and that if he didn't want to hear her screaming,he could move,that she could make anyone move.I did ignore her once and then she really came after me,and never stopped.
But, there was other lame rational.Lori had won a civil suit by pounding and pounding a hotel,which gave in and paid her,the exact facts not the issue,the pounding was.She had gotten them in a vulnerable position,on premises three days with hotel employee,and went to 14 attys.to finally do this.She was very proud of this,but didn't stop with that. She kept trying to use that situation,non event,as an excuse for her behavior.
The S/Ws thought now they had civil suit savvy.From the beginning,when they targeted this residency,they decided to sue Andy, the homeowner,for basically anything they could think of,saying people here bothered them,and wanted police reports for that.This objective started fom the begining,at least one and one half years before the S/Ws were sued to stop the harassment and stalking.This was scary as they were relentless,and Lori had already gotten away with this.This went on for years with ther loud discussions and plannings on how they could sue Andy and how they would go about it. At one time, Mark, in one of their loud discussions,said it was tine to get going on suing Andy because he couldn't afford docking fees and he needed money for that.When Lori was screaming at me full blast,she would forget and yell the things she had used in that suit. At deposition,Atty.Yates tried to use that suit that as an excuse for Lori's behavior,waving some paperwork,a typical maneuver, and I told him flat out exactly what happened with that suit,and the S/Ws and their Atty.,never,and I mean never,tried to use that again,and the S/Ws stopped talking about it loudly in their yard.
Meanwhile,the screaming, threatening,banging,patrol harassment calls,screech singing,trying to provoke two party fights and arguments, trespassing, harassing, tape/cd/radio blasting,etc.,etc.,etc.,were going on full force with law enfor. protection and backup.
The rational behind the S/Ws behavior is not the issue.The issue is that they got all the backup and protection from law enforcement to do it. From the begining, Det.Hawkins and the Ohs knew exactly what was going on.They decide to just service the S/Ws.There is no excuse
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This is about the time a year ago when the code board/fence fiasco took place the end result, this residency was fined and cover ups were tried for the S/Ws.The whole situation was like having the Night of the Living Dead on the other side of the fence and over the property line,who apparently,from the beginng ,bit law enfor.
1-10-09.We had company,two adults,one teenager, Andy's son's family and it was pleasant as we did not get harssed or blasted,however,we did not try to use the backyard,pool, or grill. For years whenever,they showed up, the S/W 's would up the harassment, screaming, banging, threatening, tying to start a two party fight,and really blasting cds/tapes and a third world type radio station so loud, you could hear it in the park,making this residency unusable.Plus, there were their horrific screaming family fights where the screaming graphic descriptions of violence and the rest were not suitable for a young girl or children.There was family tension here as the daughter-in-law really wanted to tell the S/Ws to stop and I finally had to tell her to stay away,as the ramifications from that would make everything even more unbearable.
There already had been that continual three day screaming and banging situation at the fence and when we finally told them to stop,the S/Ws got three patrol cars here saying we had bothered them by telling them to stop,their complaint was the only thing addressed,nothing was done about the screaming and banging,etc.,as that went back to Comm.Lia./Det.Hawkins where of course nothing was done about it.Then they went right back to harassing,screaming and banging, that whole thing really unnerving, but evident of the S/Ws power.
The son's family moved out of state.Some time later,insert date,Andy's son flew back for a job interview,bringing the daughter,and they tried to stay here.We tried to sit in the backyard and barbeque and the S/Ws yelled they were calling the police and were going to"break up the party,"and Lori started her screaming thing,going back and forth from their backyard to their front yard,all five of them home during this,for over two hours.We went inside A patrol car pulled up and parked with an ofc.across the street on 35th Ct.in front of the Krutek residency and stayed for over an hour. I guess we were lucky the police did not come to this residency on a complaint from the S/Ws that we were bothering them,but that might have involved stopping the screaming,and at that time, the Hawkins/Oh, Comm Lias.policies were in effect sanctioning and protecting the S/Ws behavior,and nothing could be done about that anyway.
This was about the time the excuse that were did not handle paperwork properly started to be used even though there was no one to complain to and no way to get paperwork to stop it,as the two concurrent policies protected the S/Ws.This excuse was tried by the Chief in 2008,changing it to, the S/Ws handled paperwork better than us,which shouldn't have excused the S/Ws' behavior, and we had a filed Injunction.E mailing the entire city for over 11 months to get help,the only option,did get around this,not the original reason for doing it,as you don't need paperwork,which you can't get anyway, to do it.
When the website was first put up, there should have been more written explanation to go with the over five years of audio, more audio available just not up,and in general,but it was just too much to do all at once,so with a current situation, a past situation was added,to finally get the big job done in parts,so necessary infor. for the website is intemingled in the emails.
Some time ago,the Palm Beach branch of the Law Firm of Broad and Cassels was considering taking this city case,even though it wasn't their specific type of case,then declined for that reason,and the Broward branch had just given awards to LHP employees with a PR thing. If anyone is considering discussing any of this with them, it might be a a conflict of interest as the Palm Beach branch was given a lot of information.It's a large firm so it takes a while for infor.and cases to circulate.Years ago,pre Injunction,opposing Atty. R.Yates made the in your face suggestion of suing the city as solution to stop this mess,the realization that that would be 20 times harder than trying to stop him,with the law enfor.backup the S/Ws had and the backup law enfor.had.
The amount of people,situations,and agencies that never would have had to been dealt with or even just encountered through all the years if it weren't for having to stop the S/Ws is daunting,the entire situation overwhelming and life altering.This should have been over in a maximum of six months,but there were other plans.
Anyway, again thank you to whoever got that intolerable cd technique off. One month of that should have been enough for the S/Ws to get their nuisance fix.
Let's hope the harassment,etc.is finally really over.
1-17-09.It seems,not yet verified,that the S/Ws,loud discussions,are still trying to cause trouble.The wesbsite and blogspot are definitely necessary for referral,protection,and prevention.
1-21-09.I believe the S/Ws' mindset is still strong and they will continue to try to cause trouble here or elsewhere for some time.
1-24-09.Lori has been,more frequently,opening their backyard sliding glass door or going into their backyard and making one and two sentence loud remarks as, 'it's not safe for her to be outside, when it's safe for her to be outside,she can't be outside too long or it will start up again', as if she/they are the victims,one1-22-09,with John,too close to the interior fence and gate,when I was trying to sit in the backyard.She/they know what they are doing. Again,1-24-09,Lori and Mel,minor, I was trying to sit in the backyard,but then loud,angry discussions inside.
This may be considered trivial taken out of context or compared to the past behavior,but it is still really unnerving mindset probably irreversable at this point.She/they know what they are doing.
If the S/Ws hadn't been given such so much protection and excuses by law enfor.,which they then used as their excuse to continue,with a sense of entitlement,they might think differently now.I don't think the position of the S/Ws as victimizers will ever be acknowledged in/by this city.
1-26-09. A cousin is visiting for a few days to attend a funeral and to help with yardwork,etc.The S/Ws targeted him for yrs.when this was tried and tried to complain that he was bothering them for just being here along with anyone else who dared to set foot on this property.It was easier to have him just not come here along with everyone else.Let's hope this is over.
There has been no standard overt harassment,the S/Ws are capable of this, it just wasn't their objective.However,Sat.,1-31-09,the first time we actually tried to sit and talk in the backyard, Mr.Starr and John came right out,Mr.Starr was near the interior border and John was the closest he could get to us inbetween the garages on his property,and Mr.Starr said there was a problem with the garbage,and John said he wasn't going to do it as it may start something up,and Mr.Starr said that that was the problem,then John went back and forth between the garages,and Mr.Starr sat in their backyard with Lori and they yell talked for about half an hour.Juvenile,but disturbing, as I had just complained,emails, about Lori's mindset doing that.It is still unclear as to why Mr.Starr got so much backup for years to to harass,trespass, participate in all this and continue to direct it.This, again, taken out of context may seem trival but the minset is still problematic.
1-31-09.The Ofc.introduced to the S/Ws' situation at the S/W's "'think" electrocution incident,insert date, was Ofc.Brian Tarbox.I did talk to him that day,phone,and immediately sent him the legal work,Settlement Agreement,and emails so he wouldn't be getting all his infor.from the Ohs,and I told him I had put the recorder on when the S/Ws were "think" lying to the police inbetween the garages,it was so loud you could hear it in this house,they didn't think I was home so they were full force, so there was no fooling around with that, and he acted reasonable and polite.But the overall harassment still continued until explained above. Ofc.B.Tarbox is now on standard administrative investigative leave resulting from an incident,1-24-09, when he shot a man in the buttocks who he said was trying to run him over.Commander M.Oh has been the police spokesperson for this to the news.
2-03-09.There is still an unerving,belligerent mindset next door.This blogspot is necessary for quicker referralif there are any more incidents and for further ptotection here or elsewhere.Continually emailing and mailing legal documents for assistance is/was lot of work.
2-06-09.Possible explanation for the harassment stop:
Direct mail.No email available.
Judge Robert Carney,
Re:Case No. 01-011629 (04) pg.4, B. Document enclosed. Emails already widely distributed
Is it possible to proceed with the Violations process without police reports?
They are not obtainable in LHP. Chief Ross Licata.954-784 -3425
It appears that no one wants the mess made out of this,before and after the Settlement Agreement,discussed outside the city.
The situation with the Starr/Watrases continues to be problematic.
Thank you, Gail Pfistner 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP,Fl.33064 954-943-4386
Judge Robert Carney,
Re:Case No. 01-011629(04)pg. 4,B. Settlement Agreement Violations.
Is it possible to proceed with the Violations process without police reports?
E mails had to be sent for over 11 months to finally over two dozen city employees,including the mayor,city admin.,all commissioners,code enfor.and law enfor.,at least twice a week,with the Injunction known,to try and stop the intolerable harassment.It suddenly stopped with no explanations given by anyone.I did send a copy of the above letter to a Commissioner,in Dec.,not yet sent to you,which may have been a catalyst for some help.
Widely distributed emails and infor.up for further protection and easier accessability onwww.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ as a link to www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ It may be that the only way to really stop and prevent all this is to proceed with the Violations process. Thank you, Gail Pfistner 3540 N.E.28th Ave. LHP.Fl. 954-943-4386
It is still inexplicable as to why Det.L.Hawkins,Com.M.Oh,Chief Licata,etc.spent so much time protecting and covering up for the S/Ws.With regard to the reports necessary for the Violations process,Chief Licata first said I could have them, then told me to use the 'clanging dish' situation,then told me to go to the Sheriff's Dept.,then made a lot of really lame excuses defending the S/Ws.-Added:When I again asked,9-10-08,I was told to use the report from 9-09-09and to talk to those Ofcs.He never replied to my letter.- That's when I decided I would have to complain to the Judge to try and stop this as the harassment was daily,consistant,deliberate,and escalating.
This last year was especially intolerable with the deliberate made repetition cds,some of those two mins.over and over,a violation.Mr.Starr and Lori had loud discussions,the term torture against the house used.They knew what they were doing. Lori knew she had the police. It was very hard fending off the S/Ws and their law enfor.while being harassed.With the harassment stop,the playing field is a little more leveled. However there is still the fear it could just start up all over again,this situation being a product of the S/Ws behavior and law enfor.policy,both out of control.
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2-09-09. Another possible explanation for the harassment stop?
LHP"Keeper Days"Febr.6-8,2009. Det.L.Hawkins,honored.
Even,with the parade route directly in front of this residency and events planned in the park across the street,as usual, I,obviously preoccupied with other matters,did not take the time to read about this or pay much attention to it this year.
I did not even know Det.L.Hawkins was being honored until approx.4 PM.Sat.2-07-09,when I looked for the Jan.city newsletter I had just stored someplace to find out about the park activities. I guess it's not a good idea to have this still going on when he is being honored and getting an award of this magnittude.
This was quite a shock. However,in a city that tolerates such intense hararssment and stalking for years,it shouldn't be shocking that someone responsible for this would get this award anyway.
At this point, any assistance to stop this,even agenda based, is appreciated.
However, I am still a little worried about any more possible explantions for the harassment stop.This possible explanation turned out to be a ten.
I don't think Chief Licata will try again to say the S/Ws just stopped all by themselves because they just wanted to.They still have loud discussions and arguments,some screaming,audible into this house and backyard,over this.They didn't and don't want to stop,and given any opportunity, will continue.
There are many memories for years of dealing with Det.L.Hawkins and this whole thing and they are not happy keeper days memories. Perhaps someone should have considered that before they decided to honor him.
Note.Det.L.Hawkins retired in Aug.08,citing family reasons.
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2-13-09. Re:LHP Keeper Days,Det.L.Hawkins named honoree,harassment stops.
Det.Hawkins should not have been honored.His actions,for years,while employed by the city,took too much time and expense to counteract.He already received the Ofc.of the Year award during one of the worst years.Harassers of this intensity should not have ben given so much law enforcement protection.
Attorney E.Bruce Johnson,arguing,2006,that the city is not responsible for the negligent acts of govt.workers,should not have been given such pull in this city.He didn't put up with any of this.The harassment,etc.with law enfor.protection then continued even with an Injunction.
There is still the basic fear/reality that the whole thing could just start up all over again once the excitement of the celebration is over.This stinging,disingenuous tradeoff is however still,from an obvious point of vulnerbility,acknowledged as expressed appreciation. Anything to stop itThis turned out to be a strange anything. Thank you, Gail
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2-14-09.Settlement Agreement Violation process.
I've been requesting police reports for some time now for the Violation's process and am still requesting them.The city had it's own agenda for containing the S/Ws and now that agenda is over.The only solution is the violation's process.The S/Ws violated every part of the Injunction.
1:15-2:15P.M.Lori and Mr.Starr sit in their backyard and face this residency,this noticable as Lori's radoio could be heard in this house.Mr.Starr,sitting next to Lori,gave me or this residency the finger when I looked out the window.It must be nice to be so confident.Unnerving. Mindset.Lori increases the volumeThis is a slippery slope.It never justs stays with that.
I guess behaving while the celebration is going on is over.This is definitely the S/Ws' city.
They shouldn't have gotten law enfor.protection for so long and they shouldn't be getting a free ride on all the violations. Police reports are still requested.This could just start up all over again-unless the city wants them to behave obviously for their own agenda.The city should still not be covering for them.
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Re: Another possible explanation for the harassment stop?
Anothe possible explanation for the harassment stop is that this wasn't done for the benefit of this residency,there was plenty of earlier opportunity to do that,that it was done to contain the S/Ws during the KeeperDays/Det.L.Hawkins award celebration so there wouldn't be a flare up with them during it with all the PR.
Now that that agenda is over,it would be very unsettling,regarding the S/Ws,to go back to the standard harassment techniques,and to Cm.M.Oh trying to say they never did anything wrong,and to Chief Licata trying to say nothing happened because'he had no written reports'.That was very annoying especially during the banging on the fence for over 5 years discussions with him,because while he was trying to say that as excuse,the S/Ws had really complained to the city about wanting that fence,and Lori could be heard yelling on the phone saying she did it,wouldn't do it again,and wanted the fence,with no regard to what they had done with it before or what they would do with another one.It is very hard for law enfor.to cover up for people who tell other people in the city and elsewhere flat out we did it so what and also admit it civilly. The mentality of the whole thing could be summed up by the image of Mr.Starr and the S/Ws giving this residency the finger.They got and get what they want.I never should have told anyone that bothers me but he was also driving on the wrong side of the road along this easement and doing it.
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2-16-09. This also wasn't a level playing field.I had to have these whitewash discussions which went nowhere while being blasted and at different volumes with made,repetitive,deliberate,harassing cds over and over and over,2008,along with all the rest,after already putting up with all the proceeding.It's easy to talk when you're salaried and not listening and dealing with this.In the course of trying to cover this up,I think people forgot what the real problems were,while at this end,they were still being put up with while trying to stop them.Not a fair situation to deal with.
More Incidents:Web Link.Reposition to 9-08 .The Kruteks watched the S/Ws harassing and trespassing for years until the mesh fence was out up between the garages to keep them out,along with their visible and audible horrific family fights extending into their front yard before and after they targeted us.At least Mr.Krutek didn't lie when the S/Ws wanted him as a witness,trying to say Andy had chased Lori or Lori and John down 35th Ct. Andy had been watering with and moving portable sprinklers on the north and west side,not the interior east side,of this residency.When he was out there,Lori and John walked over to the median in front of the Krutek residency looking for their cat which had run away again.Andy came right inside when he saw Lori and John crossing the street. to the median John had been yelling that Andy went in and out of the house too much moving and using the sprinklers and that bothered Lori/them that he was out there.Lori started yelling that Andy had chased her or John and her down 35th Ct.and she had a witness.This went on for days, loud, yelling, threatening,and taunting,the usual route,behind the fence,trespassing between the garages,and on the northeast side.
We had to listen to it.This was allowed in LHP.Ask Comm.Lias. Lori was also yelling that she had put up a poster about the cat in Publix and it was down and she had told them that I had done it.It gets very worrisome over what the S/Ws say and do in other places.
The Silvers,east of the S/Ws,listened and watched the screaming,banging,family fights,etc.,etc.,for years and as/while/when they knew this residency was and had to pay ito try and stop it.Some time into this,Mrs.Silver floored me by approaching me in the front yard on 28th Ave.really mad saying she had said hello to Lori and John and they had ignored her and she didn't want any part of this. (?) I just replied that we weren't too happy about already spending over $10,000.00 to try and stop this.Ironically,just then, Robbie Thompson,former neighbor,witness to and complainee about the S/Ws' early years before they targeted this residency, drove by in his C.O.P.car,with a trainee,I didn't know until then he had joined,and said hello and I told him we had already spent over $10,000.00 trying to sit in our backyard,and he said he knew and had to leave very quickly and Mrs.Silver said she had to leave quickly too.In all the 'confusion' over this,it's amazing how stunned and evasive people get when confronted with facts.Right when the civil suit was filed,Mrs.Silver approached me and asked me not to call her as a witness and I said I wouldn't,although years later,the second really good atty.said they should be if it went to trial as they were right next door,but it didn't go to trial and they were never asked.This situation brings out the worst in people,but you can't stop the S/Ws without stopping the police and the S/Ws had them,so it was just easier for people to let it happen.And go to award ceremonies.
Note: Added: The Silvers' dogs are barking during the S/Ws' episodes on the tapes.Mrs.Silver had approached me another time saying she had hired a large workman,giving hgt.and wgt,and his mouth dropped,he stopped working,and he dropped everything when he heard Lori screaming.I said,yes and she was also screaming at me.Mrs.Silver did not reply.That went nowhere.Mrs.Silver was the one who told me that a phone company worker had climbed down the pole he was working on on 35th St.and knocked on the resident's door telling them to call the police when he heard Lori screaming.The S/Ws' situation never went unnoticed by someone.
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2-19-09.Sent.This email's final editing is on this blogspot.I had already sent it out to the usual over 25 people and had to resend it because of a correction.Final editing will now be done on the blogspot.Thank you.
N.E.35th St.was a lot more diligent and active as there was a large owner/tenant turnover and each complained about the the S/Ws,but the S/Ws had protection,Com.Lias.,and that was it.N.E.35th St.got the full brunt of the S/Ws' horrific, episodic,screaming,banging, in and out of the two houses into their backyard family fights,which were a regular routine startring at 6P.M.when Mr.Starr got home and continuing until they went to bed,10-11P.M.and during the day on his two days off.This went on for a long,long time,Hawkins/Oh era,and the neighborhood just got used to it and just listened to it.One evening,Mrs. Silver's brother did finally yell shut up,but that was only once as Mrs.Silver had told him not to get involved.Besides,it was known we finally had to file suit and pay for it.Anytime during those lenghty family fights,the S/Ws could come up to this interior property line and scream at and threaten this residency,trespass, and smash the fence which they did regularly at intervals,and claim this residency made them do it and get away with it as if they had never acted like that before they targeted this residencyThose horrific,screaming,banging family fights were so loud you could hear them even when they were inside with the windows and doors closed and the pool pump and AC.running.That's why all those tapes of them fighting with each other inside and outside are also on the wesbsite.They tried to claim their behavior was this residency's fault as if they had never done it before even though everyone had heard them before they targeted us.They also tried to use that in the civil suit.And they had law enfor,/Com.Lias.protecting them,using that excuse.'A two party neighbor feud'.There was no way to stop them.It became just easier for people to try to say that was the problem even though they knew it wasn't.
This was especially annoying during the 'Lori thinks rifle situation',when the very young Ofc.M.Riemer arrogantly told me that.Who told him that? See 10-11-08, already partly written up.This episode was so upsetting,I am just getting to it now to finish.I had only met Ofc.Riemer briefly before on a Lori made call,9-09-08,when she tried to stop my complaint that she was using the cd technique again,an injunction violation with a steep fine,and was of course successful,and got Chief Licata excusing them/letter situation.
That 'Lori think rifle situaton 'was very,very scary which no one seems the least bit concerned about.The two patrol cars had pulled up on the north side in the road.I heard someone saying hello from inside the house and went out to the road where they were.It was really terrifying to hear there was a call in on a rifle report.I immediately knew Lori had done it.The mood was stern and the Ofcs.were wearing vest,etc, the whole get ready for that kind of situation attitude,not the usual more casual attitude.The first thing I thought of was if Andy moved suddenly or had anything in his hands,he could be shot,and he had no idea what was going on as he was in the backyard.I couldn't even call anyone or go back up the driveway as Ofc.Riemer was standing right next to me and blocking me like a basketball player.I did really quickly start explaining that this was a chronic problem with the S/Ws lying to the police and we had an Injunction to stop them from lying to the police,'filing a false police report',with a steep fine.This was extremely tense and upsetting. Luckily, Cp.J.Thornton,this was this first time I remember meeting him, handled it very well after I explained all this to him.He went into the backyard,was very polite to Andy who was very surprised to see him soaking wet having just gotten out or the pool to check the grill,and he let me go into the house to bring out legal papers,he wanted to see the Injunction document,and called Sgt.Nestor to clarify this which I asked him to,as I was still astounded Lori had gotten away with something else,and this was really severe.I immediately sent both Ofcs.all the emails and mailed them the legal documents I had started to send out to others so they would know the situation.They were already sent to Sgt.A.Nestor as a necessity precaution after the 9-09-08 fiasco which is why I had asked him to clarify this with Sgt.Nestor.Sgt. Nestor confirmed he had them.
I just sent Cp.J.Thornton an email saying there was no criticism directed toward him,that he acted professionally, responsibly,and safely in a strange situation,that he just should have been better informed,and thanked him.He probably didn't deserve to get stuck with a call like that anyway.I'm glad he was there.Things could have gone worse.Ofc.M.Riemer continued to act as if he was in a Bruce Willis movie,that part was very unnerving,but he is young.I did speak with Sgt.Nestor that evening,but he's been around since the beginning of this mess.
So, Lori got a super duper nuisiance fix which was very upsetting, probably the point.I'm glad it didn't turn out worse.I should have known something was up because she wasn't using the cd harassment technique which she had been using constantly.I just thought how nice it was to have it off when the backyard was being used.
The S/Ws did however continue with the 'S/Ws think electrocution situation' getting three parol cars,10-29-08, and flat out lied and tried to expound on the rifle situation again to the three officers.This is scary and unnerving.But,after all,law enfor.is for the S/Ws' use and excuse.Please be reminded this this residency has already put up a lot,which has been tried to be dismissed as 'in the past',even with present situations directly continuing it.
About half the situations and incidents are written/up for the website and link protection.The S/Ws and law enfor.have a lenghty,unhealthy,and disturbing history which can't be erased or glitzed over with PR and awards.Maybe certain members of law enfor.could get the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson Award as living up to it and best demonstrating it.
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2-21-09.A small city needs a charismic trophy Chief who is friendly and accessible.However,the new Chief should have been told the truth from the beginning so he could have acted properly instead of becoming the S/Ws' latest puppet.They already had gotten enoughThe problem is once he was,he didn't,digging a deeper hole trying to cover it up.After the 9-09-08 fiasco,over 25 people including a lot of law enfor.were sent legal documents and the emails,the emails already sent to quite a few people since the beginning of 08, to try and stop the lying and the harassment.The harassment and episodes continued anyway. Until the Keeper Days "Award". City image takes priority.
Now, about that irrelevent protective Injunction thing? that non image,non PR thing? that thing to prevent future episodes?
This harassment stop took a parade.
The whole thing could just start up all over again.
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2-21-09.About noon.Noticable,as it was loud and audible into this house,no one was in this backyard,Lori had come out into her backyard to announce that she wanted to file a complaint or make a complaint on her cellphone.She then went right back inside. Mindset. The S/Ws used this a lot standing right up to the fence,interior borders,and while trespassing, so we had to hear it.This was done even during their horrific harassment sessions and own family fights,and this residency got no help.Hopefully,the era of supervisors sending training cops out to pracice on something,whatever the S/Ws wanted which they used as a threat they could do whenever they wanted and got, is over.The mindset isn't.
John had made one really memorable loud call standing right up to the interior fence with Lori in their backyard complaining Andy harrassed Lori and he wanted reports.No one was in this backyard,Andy was at work,I was home alone and could hear it into this houseThat was too unnerving.Harassment to them was if Andy was just at home,inside or outside,but thet still complained when he wasn't even here and yelled about him and 'at' him when he wasn't even here.Meanwhile,they were still going full blast at anyone who dared to be on this property,even chilren,and were keeping up their outrageous family fightsThey really thought they were invincible.They had the backup.
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Emails are still being sent.However,the final editing is on the blogspot for the website link.
2-24-09.Years ago,when I,again, complained about the S/Ws' ridiculous harassing patrol visits sent to here deliberately to harass with the loud threats they,S/Ws, could do it whenever they wanted and get it,and got it, I was told by Com.Lias.that the city had to respond to every call because if they missed just one call and something happened, the city could be liable and could be sued. (?) This E.Bruce Johnson thing is a little biased.If it can negate assisting this residency with such overt obvious harassment,etc.,etc.,why couldn't calls deliberately to harass as technique,by and servicing the S/Ws,also be? It's more than just a little rude to hear loud banging on the door,think it's important,and get out of the shower or get woken up from a nap for anything the S/Ws wanted,such as Lori was mad because she said she heard me complaining about this on the phone inside this house,or someone looked at them,or there were people in the yard,or flat out ridiculous lies.Mark Starr,for years,was really active with this,plotting loudly in the backyard when and how he would call the police and code enfor.,after hours the police come in called on code things, timing it when he felt like doing it ,discussing this with the others.From the beginning, he thought he was quite brilliant to think of the anonymous phone call from a pay phone,again loudly plotting this with John in their backyard,this goes back to when there were a lot of pay phones.
Det.Hawkins told me he/they knew it was he/they doing it. (?) Was this supposed to help? It didn't stop the problem or the visits.It was very unnerving to worry about whom and where the S/Ws were calling because they had such strong Com.Lia. protection and backup,Hawkins/Oh era.
On one Father's Day,the S/Ws really blasted this residency,the player too close to the interior fence and garages and when I was seen in this backyard, Lori yelled she was calling 911and Mark yelled he was driving out to a pay phone.I had to worry if and when the police could be showing up and nothing could be done about the blasting.Not a good way to try and have company.Nobody wanted to put up with them.They actually covered the player with a tarp so they could continue to blast this residency during a bad rainstorm. On one occasion,theS/Ws were really blasting and called in a complaint on this residency.This was apparent when a patrol car pulled up in the road in front of their house and the ofc.couln't even hear,he was standing in the road yelling over it, to call back the station to try and clarify the complaint,the blasting was so loud coming from their backyard.He just left and the blasting continued.At least this was regular music and not the radio or talk radio full blast on static or the made noises tapes which were intolerable.The S/Ws knew what they were doing.Det. Hawkins said he had to put some kind of machine in this yard to gauge the volume.cc:www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
/There are a lot more incidents that need to go up.They will be added a few at a time.
Andy had been working at the south border fence,not the interior.He went out there after dark not late with a standard work flashlight to look for a tool he had misplaced thinking it might be in the grass or bushes thereThis didn't take long and was obvious as we were talking about it when I went out to help him look.The S/Ws immediately called in,loud enough to be heard,probably the point,that there were strange lights coming from this residency's backyard, they didn't know what they were,were worried about it and wanted it checked out.Anything to get a patrol car here and a reportThat time no one came to this door but we fully expected it as the S/Ws usually got what they wanted.It is hard to have a normal lifesytyle with this always going on.Their horrific,screaming,banging family fights were still going on loud enough to be heard even with them inside with their windows and doors closed and the pool pump and A.C.running on the interior border.
/I was home alone.Lori and John made a lot of noise about driving to the station to 'complain' about this residency.They returned shortly,John really mad and yelling,backyard, that he had gotten a warning or ticket vehicular violation while doing that.Mr Starr said he would pay for it.They spent years calling in any code,vehicle violations they could think of. I guess he thouht he was immune.It is kind of surprising he wasn't.They usually are.
/I was home alone,afternoon.Andy's daughter and a friend came by.I had a computer table for her in the garage.This was brief,about one half hour,the situation obvious,garage door open,activity in driveway.I knew the S/Ws would call in a complaint as anyone who pulled up in this driveway'harasses'them just by being there,and they were really trying to get reports to try and counteract the harassment/stalker suit.No one yelled at or bothered us then.But John came home from work in another city.Loud family discussion/argument.He had just gotten fired for calling in too many complaints about this residency at work.The only source for this particular incident was hearing their loud discussions/arguments over it.There was no further attempt to verify it.I didn't know where he worked then and I don't know where he works now.
Some people just won't put up with them.It's always a worry where and what the S/Ws are doing.That's why the website needs to be kept up for referral and further protection.It is disgusting that anyone of that ilk could spend years targeting and taunting Andy and trying to find something wrong with him and ruining this residency.But that could be said in general of all bothering everyone.There was a very protective base. /Add more.
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/Explanation:Not one of the worst episodes:example of 'screech singing' : The S/Ws had had one of their horrible fights inside the main house and Lori had broken a window on their backyard main house,that window closest to this residency,the banging on the glass and window loud and audible.Insert date,8-13-04,8-15-04,audio website.They were then outside and continuing the argument while Mr.Starr was fixing the window,drill,and Lori proceeded to yell at and about this residency at the interior fence in spurts,not the worst incident,but typical.8-17,18-04.Typical deliberate 'screech singing' to harass,not at their other east or south fences.Lori added a device to make a squeeky sound with it./
/6-14-04 is very typical.6P.M.-midnightThere was no one to call then to stop any of this.The S/Ws had Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh protection.We were really stuck with this.Andy wasn't even home for half of it.I was home alone./
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/The S/Ws usually shut down about 11P.M.and there was a reprieve when it was raining or thundering,but there were exceptions.One unbelievable and very alarming night,1-2 A.M.,we were woken up by this,during one of the loudest rainstorms we've had,there was some sort of family argument and Lori came out to smash this interior fence, lie, scream, etc.,etc.,and Mr.Starr came out to act suprised about it.John was outside with her.
I guess the theory is,that if you yell you're innocent while you're doing what you're accused of, you can keep on doing it.She/they already had carte blanc from Com.Lia.,/Hawkins/Oh to do this anyway.When things were really horrific and loud,Mr.Starr would make it a point to act surprised about it happening,especially is he thought there would be a lot of witnesses or evidence,even though he stood next to her while she was doing it,sent her out to do it,or encouraged her to do it,over,and over,and over.This episiode was bad and memorable.
This continued the next morning,Lori at this interior fence,yelling,banging,and lying at and about me,mad about the lawsuit to stop her/them,trying to make my complaints hers,a regular practice..
Their really bad family fights continued,Lori mad at her mother,a standard family argument issue,and then a big one.There is a difference between Lori mad at her mother and Lori coming after me.Explanations are with the audio,some sufficient..
Segment 2-01-04 is grueling and difficult to listen to,but a regular occurance./
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Added.3-09
/Lori had protection from the beginning,Com.Lias./Hawkins,to scream at and threaten this residency which she used as a threat to do whenever and at whomever she wanted, actually announcing that she would just scream.She could start this and stop this whenever she wanted at her convenience.Det L.Hawkins told us that 'once Lori started screaming,she couldn't stop' , as excuse for this. Exactly what kind of detective work was that? Maybe it was true in the middle if their long, bad, heated family fights,but it was not true for the daily outbursts at this residency at her convenience.Plus the banging.Plus trespassing to do it.Lori had gotten a part time job and in between shifts,she would come home and yell at this residency and then go back to work as a pattern.She knew she could and did.
Then the three men did it more.They knew they could and did, trespassing to do it.For years,they yelled, threatened,and taunted,and trepassed, trying to get anyone on this property to reply to try to say it was a two party argument.This was outregeous, unstoppable policy which was instructed to continue and did. Det L.Hawkins was out of control.He might have been advised,not now verifiable,early on,not by Oh,that he could get suspended for all that.It didn't stop him./
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/While C.C.Marchitello was acting Chief of Police,the continual,routine,overt harassment and stalking by the S/Ws toward this residency stopped.I just sent him an email reminding him I remembered this,that the thank you message to him was still on the website,segment8-03-03,and thanked him.The S/Ws' bad, audible,screaming family fights with references to this residency still went on during this,very unnerving and unpleasant,but the overt attacks ceased. The S/Ws were controllable.Com.Lia. was not controllable.
/There is a lot of audio and incidents that haven't been written up yet for the website explanationsThat's coming.Final editing is on the blogspot not on the emails./
/ Det.L.Hawkins and Sgt.C.Oh were both named Ofcs.of the Year,during one of the worst years of this,for helping to set up C.O.P.S/.
/Lori's deliberate 'screech singing' for hours,for years,in general and at this residency and with verses about this residency,with company and childern here,at anytime up to about 11P.M.,intolerable, filling in the spaces between the harassing and stalking,cannot be minimalized.She did not do this right up to the S/Ws' east or south fences.There's a lot of this on the web audio along with her singing regularly to show she could do that,but hours of that is also not pleasant with her choice iof verses.Lori and John have their own studio apt.where she could have done this inside but that was not the obvious obective.The S/Ws knew what she was doing this.Bedsides standing right up to the interior fence,she also put on a floating device and did it at the deepest end of their pool closest to this residency.Insert dates.Ex.Segment8-13-04,end,with 'squeeky' device..
For 2008, this was extensively replaced by the cd technique,the"issue cd",and the made cds. cc :www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
Lori would also 'screech' read and read in regular tones for hours to harass,not at their south or east fences.Lori woud also talk at,talk about,threaten,and taunt this residency for hours,and at at the interior fence,one time for over eight hours.There is not much of the "'screech' reading on the audio web as there were bigger issues to put up,but there is the 'talk taunting'. Insert dates.Lori actually made a tape of her 'talk taunting' set to music so she could put it on to harass without having to be outside with it to do it herself. Insert dates.
For a while,Lori did position herself at the southern most part of this interior fence to do this so the new owner,corner lot, would have to hear her going on about us while he was trying to work in his yard.He had alrady called the police about their horrific family fights while he was trying to have company and children in his yard,but it did no good as the S/Ws had Com/Lia.This may have been a payback.There was always payback for complaining.When he stopped working there,she stopped standing way back there and went back to her usual positioning.When he complained,it was the S/Ws' typical family fight,I didn't have anything to do with that call,and didn't even know about it until he told me later.He was gone a lot and just stopped trying to stop it.All this with three owners complaining about the S/Ws,starting before they targeted this residency,has been explained and previously written
The S/Ws just continued to harass this residency at the interior fence,usually about 1/3 south of the garages where it was easiest to run up to the fence going back and forth between their two houses instead of going all around their pool to get to the fence, and always between the garages,trespassing,extending north toward 35th Ct.between the north driveways./
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Note:A lot of the information,dates,etc.,is on the tapes which is a problem because they have to be played for accuracy and I don't want to hear it again, but,also,because from the beginning,the S/Ws would complain if they heard any of the tapes, which was really hard to avoid with them hugging the interior fence and with any one of them going in and out at any time, and with them especially trying to hear any of it so they could complain and try and get a patrol car.This was really hard when I had to make all the copies trying to get help and for the attys.and court,three sets are the minimum there.They had to be checked to make sure they were recorded properly and there were a lot and there still are a lot more not on the audio website.Hours of work.I never did this before,did not have the best equipment,and didn't even know what the best equipment was.I had to set this up in the west room of the house and check to see if the S/Ws weren't home, let alone not in their backyard.There would be immediate retaliation,more screaming,etc.,the usual procedure anyway,plus complaints and worrying about patrol visits as the S/Ws said it "harassed' them.It was so much easier to put the tapes on the website,but I still have to be careful about checking them and was,even when Lori was blasting this residency with the "issue cd",still now making sure there's no one in their backyard,bad memories about it.Their atty.brought it up briefly at deposition and I briefly told him the situation and he didn't bring it up again.There are some things even he won't do and he really played out of the boundaries.Then we got a really good atty.to end all this.It didn't end in LHP.Com.Lias.had too much power.That's another story.
This is just one more example of the S/Ws' outrageous behavior and demands.
Absolutely no regard for the fact they did it,and it had to be heard,there was no way to stop it,but complaining that hearing any part of it no matter how short 'harassed them and they wanted backup.
Anyway,that's why all the dates aren't inserted yet and why all the audio hasn't been fully explained.It's not pleasant anyway to relive all this and there was that problem trying to do it.The S/Ws are a lot of work. cc: www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
/More explanations of incidents and audio website:
/The harasssing ,deliberate made 'bongo drum beat tapes' with her on them,end of audio segment,1-26-03, and continuing on to audio segment,2-03,were really intolerable,blasting continually starting at two hour streatches,deliberately left on outside with no one in their yard at any time of the day or evening,although she did blast one time at 2A.M.This could be heard onto three streets Lori and John had their own studio apt if they wanted to hear this,but that was obviously not the objectiveLori also chanted at and about this residency on them.Later,Lori also chanted on them,"I can rock 'til 6 o'clock."over and over.I don't know why she added that,she could do it whenever she wanted and did.Maybe Mr.Starr wanted to use the backyard when he came home,or someone in the city,with the S/Ws' atty's.input,said she could do that, just turn it off at 6P.M.This was then switched to another harassment technique.Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh era.
Note: Lori also did come into their backyard to beat on the bongos while chanting,threatening,yelling,talking about or at this residency,etc.,in person,whenever she wanted to.The made tapes were for her convenience whenever she didn't want to do it herself and to continually harass.She also yelled,threatened,talked at this residency,etc. in person ,with made tapes already on,or in the background,or together with, for a bigger effect.Insert dates.Audio web.
The rest on these two audio segments is grueling and difficult to listen to.Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh. era Initially,Det.L.Hawkins worked for code enfor.
The 2-03 segment written in expl.has 4,14,20,23,24,at 04.It is 03.There are grammatical errors and needed date corrections on the original website.I never went in and out of it after it was put up so as not to disturb anything as I didn't have that much internet savvy,and this with the audio was an expensive endeavor.The S/Ws are a lot of work./
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ADDED 3-16-09.REPOSITION.Near the beginning of all of this,before one deposition started,Atty.Yates tried to say the tapes,screaming and banging with children in the backyard pool,interior fence 8 ft.off the pool,were dubbed,probably trying to minimize the harassment level complaint.
They weren't and the S/Ws knew it.Besides,there were adults in this backyard with the children as well as neighbors outside.Hawkins/Oh/Com/Lias.era.
I didn't even have the equipment to do that or know how to use it.
But, the S/Ws did have the equipment, which is how they thought to say that,and Lori was doing it as technique,making and combining tapes to blast at this residency or in general,continuing it through the years,with her voice added,talking,threatening,taunting on them,left on outside so she didn't have to stay outside to do it herself.And she did come outside to do that along with the tapes for added effect,along with doing it in general whenever she wanted to. Plus, the repetitive noise 'pingy' tapes, the repetitive baseline tapes,the repetitive wardrum tapes,etc.,to harass.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.
This is just another example of how devious the S/Ws were,accusing me of doing something they knew I wasn't while they were actually doing it themselves as harassment.
The S/Ws were too over the top,there was never really any way or need to overembellish their situation.And it was never my idea,intention,or need/necessity to do this.I didn't even think of that being done.That was their concept and they used it.
There are more tapes of screaming,banging,etc.,with children and company in the pool and backyard.The amount of tapes had to be kept to some sort of a minimum for court.There are a lot more tapes.When the website was put up,I was in a hurry and desperate to stop all this and the lying,so I just used the ones submitted to court and to the attys.The grandchildren,then very young,sound at times a little unnatural, but that was the actuality of circumstance.
I flat out stated my reply,and the original and masters were available at the time of that deposition,and stated I was ready to proceed with any further scrutiny of them.
There was no further scrutiny requested.
All the taping was done on an inexpensive outdated single door cassette player recorder,blank cassette on record, the black one to the lower right seen in the picture on the website,www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ under "About". -That was the real 'Det.Hawkins's Day' ,the day we knew we had to hire an atty.and sue in circuit court,small claims not the proper venue, to stop the S/Ws and him.- That day I was afraid to go out and get the recorder,I had put it outside when the S/Ws started at me,I was alone,Andy came home about half way through it, the tape ran out ,and a lot was missed.This has already been explained.Insert date.Website 2007.written part 'the story'.segment 6-05-01.audio limited,the tape ran out.
ADDED.At the time that picture was taken,Lori was standing on a chair,six ft. fence,and actually looking at me and screaming at me while I was inside this house and saying,"Take my picture!",audio website,posing for it in that position with her arms.
I went through about six of the inexpensive cassette players through all the years.It was hard enough then to even find a double door cassette player recorder to put more tapes on one tape for convenience.Luckily,someone,who also tried to stop this, found one he had stored i n his garage.When that wore out,I had to buy an outdated entire unit to get a double door cassette player recorder with it,which wore out too,the usual,the play and record buttons.
The S/Ws continued this pattern of made harassment tapes/cds,the 'cd technique' through 2008,even with an instated Injunction to stop it.The S/Ws depended on LHP to override the Injunction and LHP did. Lori,in 2008, would announce from their backyard that I could tape her doing it,but so what?
REPOSITION 3-17-09
3-17-09.At Mediation,insert date,a mandatory part of the civil process,mandatory fee,paid for,over $300.00,the S/Ws said I was putting that black recorder through and over the interior fence,not true and not possible.The Mediator said for them to stop screaming at this residency and for me not to do that which I wasn't doing anyway.Further explanation on that recorder coming.The Mediator spent the majority of the time trying to find some organization outside of LHP to handle this which we didn't even and think of or request.Lori started some minor complaining and Atty.Yates startled everyone by yelling mad and really loud, "Shut up!"right at her in front of everyone.Obviously he didn't have to put up with them but he definitely made sure we had to
The Recorder. By this time, I had to hold and protect that recorder as Lori was spraying this entire back yard hitting the house windows with it anytime she wanted and screaming and threatening she could and would do it whenever she wanted.This was over the six foot interior fence.She was constantly trying to get the recorder wet if it was left unprotected,not carried out and held, to disable it so she/they could scream at me/us/this residency with no evidence.At that time that,the recorder, was the only defense I had, the S/Ws had law enfor.She was even brazen enough to scream that that was the reason for spraying the backyard even though I I really think she wanted to scream,threaten,and spray the backyard,with or without the vocals, anytime she wanted to harass in general.That went on for over a year. Audio Insert dates.04-05.Some about that on segment 6-14-04 along with the general everything.
ADDITION:The last spraying incident was 6-05 or 7-05.I had tried to trim the bushes overgrown on the south part of this interior fence.Lori immediately came out and dragged their portable sprinkler up to the fence there so there would be a steady stream back and forth over the fence and I would have to get sprayed to do it. I stopped and she turned it off. Lori had switched from the hose to their portable sprinkler so there would be a steady stream going onto this patio from where ever she put it behind the fence,yelling it was to keep her cat from coming over here and also yelling and accusing us of trying to steal her cat,which did wander over here whenever it got out which we could not control.Lori would come out and make 'meowing' sounds at Andy when he was trying to work on the pool getting as close to him as she could.The S/Ws then purchased a mechanical toy boat,remotely run,they did not have to be outside with it,which made a really loud 'honking' noise which they all put on in their pool, running it in the deepest end closest to us whenever we tried to use the yard or have company with children in it,turning it on when we tried to use the backyard and off when we and the company with children left. I have tapes of Andy just trying to talk with the grandchildren in this backyard when the 'honking' was so loud,they could just about hear each other.
I was in constant contact then,after the 05 input,with Com.Lias.relaying all this to try to show the S/Ws were determined to keep doing something to us as a continuing pattern. Admittedly,these latter complaints sound a little 'crank', but that was the actuality of circumstance.I'm sure Com.Lias. really liked these sort of dismissive 'crank' complaints and if there is any 'written' reports/material,it is probably about those.This was relatively insulting to have to work in this sort of agenda venue as the S/Ws had been covered and backed for over five and 1/2 years of really horrific behavior by Com.Lias.and now their less active period was getting more attention. When the attention went down,the S/Ws resumed their more overt behavior.The civil suit was finalized and the Injunction for prevention and protection was instated and the S/Ws then defiantely violated evey part of it with law enfor. backup and protection,through 2008..
OUT OF SEQUENCE.This below was/is/took place before the last two paragraphs 'ADDITION:' above.
2005. There was some outside input,already explained.Com.Lias.responds,reading me the manuel,saying the S/Ws didn't do that,already explained.
Com Lias.asked me to stop taping. (?) That was a shock.That was the only defense and protection I had had for years,the S/Ws had law enfor.,and the evidence had already been submitted to the judge,court,necessary before scheduled trials, on a timetable.The S/Ws didn't want the evidence.They were now trying to say that the recorder made them do it.(?) I said no,that that was the only defense I had for years and it was evidence which the S/Ws didn't want and I just could not do that and be left unprotected,especially with no evidence that they were doing it.Com.Lias.said to have the recorder unseen as it bothered the S/Ws.
Com.Lias. also really questioned me as to how and why I 'held the recorder' when I was recording them screaming, etc.,and I said I had to hold it to protect it because Lori would spray it. By this time the S/Ws were at it for hours,audible into this house and sitting room porch,over two tvs.I would carry the recorder to the backyard to tape because I was tired of disrupting the house,by then every evening,by turning things off,tvs,phone conversations,so they wouldn't be recorded with it too.Com.Lias.also said the S/Ws said I made some not loud,softlike tapping noises which upset them.(?)I wasn't sure exactly what that was,but I said it certainly wasn't a good excuse.
Com.Lis.told me it had helped the S/Ws put up a camera on the west side of their house,the interior border,right off this patio.This turned out to be a major harassment issue as the S/Ws really exploited that and it was a lot of work to counteract that.This has already been explained in length in the emails,insert dates, and I don't want to retype it now.It was enough trouble just putting up with it as the S/Ws really flaunted that while flaunting using it and told people the police had put it up for them to protect then from us.That was really really nauseating.
NEW ADD.3-26-09
ADDED.3-26-09.This 'seen' recorder issue was unexpected and strange.Insert dates.After05'input'.The S/Ws then put some sort of camera on some sort of table with really loud squeeky wheels and made a lot of noise slamming their doors,wheeling it outside all over their backyard,and yell talking,screaming,and threatening that they were going to catch me with the recorder seen or the recorder seen in this backyard,also making loud phone calls about it,and saying it was hidden if there were beach towels on the patio furniture.
This happened whenever anyone went into this backyard even if I just went out to the garbage cans or tried to sit outside for just a few minutes.This was constant as one of them was always home. So the harassment, screaming, threatening,etc.at this residency for whatever the S/Ws wanted to do was replaced by the harassment, screaming, threatening, etc.that they were going to catch the recorder 'seen',so it was still the same loud harassment problem with the S/Ws calling Com.Lias.while they were doing it.
I complained to the Chief that why did everything always have to be a three ring circus,that why didn't someone just tell them to stop.There were always patrol cars riding aound in circles accommodating the S/Ws' wants and needs and making lame excuses for them,while they were just really continuing overt harassing and stalking.-In 2008, the Chief just continued, running and riding around in circles to accommodate the S/Ws, trying to get them out of that intolerable year long Injunction Violation which they continued to do while he was doing that,of course.-
The recorder was never on 24 hrs a day.It wasn't that type of equipment.Lori would hang over the interior fence with a gallon of water pouring it on this side saying she was going to get the equipment wet and that she could legally do that.The recorder was turned on once the din started. On the orignal masters you can hear the inner workings of the recorder being turned on,this was not expensive equipment, with the screaming,banging,etc.already going on. I told Com.Lias. that then.This particular dragging out their camera,harassing,etc.went on almost daily for about a few months.Then it was time for the S/Ws to switch to something else which they did.
They did not trespass with the camera on wheels,just with the hand held one.
Com.Lias.'s 'readjusting' of this in 2005 was flat out scary,shocking,and unnerving, and definitely indicative that nobody tells them what to do.
And the above isn't all of at.The Injunction response fiasco followed that,and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse.
Instead of fixing the mess they made for over five and1/2 years,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.,they belligerently continued,instructing newer ofcs.to continue,misinforming them,not telling them the truth. It was amazing how after the 2005 'inpu't,Det.L.Hawkins and C.M.Oh's names were kept of of the frontwork.
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A lot of this has already been explained in the emails,2008,,but the S/Ws got law enfor.backup and protection Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era, while they were doing it,and got more with excuses after it was stated in the emails,through 2008.
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Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia.era.See emails,website,blogspot link through 2008,05-08,Chief.
NEW. 3-27-09.If there is a question about Andy's activity and participation in handling all this,civil suit,etc.:
From the beginning,law enfor., Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.established that the S/Ws were going to act up,and disturb the whole neighborhood and they were going to have police protection to do it.A lot of residents tried to stop this,especially in the beginning years when they constantly called in on any incidents thinking this was the correct way to do this.It did no good.There was a lot of double talk and lying,almost on a pre-teen level when you know they are lying and they know you know,except these were not pre-teens,this was law enfor. in patrol cars. This was enough to frustrate any normal person,and to really frustrate and make anyone really mad,which it did. So there was no point in even trying to deal with the S/Ws' law enfor.It didn't stop the problem and was too frustrating to deal with along with already dealing with the S/Ws.And it was establishd that the S/Ws were going to harass and stalk this residency.And law enfor.was always around,for the S/Ws,now whether you wanted them there or not,and that had to be dealt with,as this.this was becoming a constant, the S/Ws and their law enfor.,taking up all your time,and being too frustrating to deal with and destroying any kind of normal lifestyle.
Andy had to work and have some sort of normal life and the S/Ws were really targeting him trying to make this into a two party situation,and were loudly threatening they were giing to sue him for anything they could think of.
So I started doing this and that's the way it stayed.
Exactly who,how many residents,want to spend all their time dealing with and being frustrated and aggravated by the S/Ws and their law enfor.and have no normal life?
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Hawkin/Oh/Com.Lias.era.See emails.,website,and blogspot link through 2008,05-08,Chief.
Reposition.EDIT. Andy's brother sold planes,Santa Paula.Calif. After 911,he had caught someone with impeccable advanced flying documents with no flying skills to match,of a certain ethnic descent,and a fake Caucasian name,trying to buy a plane from him.He and his staff took pictues and notfied the FBI who confirmed this person was a suspect who had already been caught with box cutters,etc.and they had lost contact with him.At that time homeland security was not that well organized or well integrated with other agencys.The Santa Paula Airport was too close to LAX and could be a problem if someone wanted to take off from there to harm LAX.His staff was diligent and pretty much handling this themselves.At that time,anything to do with airports and planes was a big responsibility.
I felt bad because when he called to tell me about this I was in the middle of dealing with something with the S/Ws. This was during their really intense period.Hawkins/Oh/com.Lias.era.That was always the case when anyone called here about anything important. Someone called to tell me about a death and just waited until later because I was dealing with a S/W's called patrol visit here again.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.
Andy's brother visited here and stayed at this residency,having just flown in a plane for a sale and given the buyer additional more flying time with him to get used to everything with the plane.
I was worried that the S/Ws were going to try to say he had harassed them and try to get a police report to use at another agencies to bother him forever as he would be a good target and catch for them,and this was definitely fertile grounds for starting that kind of mess up with all the backup the S/Ws had and all the training cops who needed something to train on,although I did not tell him that then.The S/Ws were then saying anyone who set foot on this property harassed them and they were always calling in and trying to get reports which they took to other agencies. Hawkins/OH/Com.Lias. era. And his life was too involved for this.I think they did.They were too quiet,the screaming and banging attacks had noticably stopped for a while,and they weren't screaming at each other so much outside.
I can't remember right now if I had called in describing this situation trying to prevent this. I probably did as this was already such a big problem,and I was in constant contact trying to stop it,but Com.Lias. always did what it wanted,and ii never knew when patrol cars would be pulling up.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era
When he was ready to leave,he made the big mistake of talking on his cell phone too loud in this backyard about where and when he was flying home and where and when he would be dropping off the rental car at the airport.The S/Ws were home and I immediately got a bad feeling about that.We had stopped making any plans or phone calls in ths backyard as S/Ws listened to everything we did to make trouble.I did not say anything to Andy's brother about that then.
Andy's brother later called me,perplexed,a sheriff's car had pulled in right in back of him just as he entered the airport,was tailgating him and talking on the phone,and he couldn't figure out what he had done wrong except he was talking on his cell phone while driving and wanted to know if that then an infraction in Fl.I knew it was a S/Ws' call.The Sheriff followed him all the way in like that and then just stopped and drove away.The S/Ws later had moderately loud discussions and it was not clear who it was,them disguising their voice or a friend doing it for them.
Andy's brother never stayed here again as I told the family what happened and it was decided that he should just stay in Boca when he visited as his life was too busy and involved to get intermingled with the S/Ws and their police reports which they kept to use to with other agencies.We didn't.want them going after him with all that was going on with him and they went after any one who set foot on this property..
Andy's brother died of colon cancer,11-05,age 57,and when we were grieving and we were really grieving,that's when we had to hire the second exceptional atty. to stop the S/Ws,court date unavoidable and go through all the evidence and all that entails,right at that time.This residency has always had the typical life situations to deal with just as everyone else.It just had to be done with the S/Ws' constant harassment and their law enfor.backup.
Det.L.Hawkins and other ofcs.were in a big glossy picture on the cover of the LHP Magazine,insert date,as representing LHP's homeland security.No comment.
REPOSITION TO END.3-28-09. LHP Magazine,April 09,pg.48,ran an article by a local attorney about hiring an atty.,with important,useful infor.
As already explained,the first atty.hired in this situation was not the right one to stand up to the S/Ws,their law enfor. and their atty.
I called that law firm and asked what atty.should I use in the situation of spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop all this,which was not just going to be left standing as is,assistance with the Injunction violation process,and explaining the harassment stop with the award and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson argument.
It is good the LHP Magazine is publishing helpful infor.
2005.Com.Lias.'s 'readjusting' of this in 2005 was flat out scary,shocking,and unnerving, and definitely indicative that nobodytells them what to do.
And the above isn't all of at.The Injunction response fiasco followed that,and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse.
Instead of fixing the mess they made for over five and1/2 years,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.,they belligerently continued,instructing newer ofcs.to continue,misinforming them,not telling them the truth. It was amazing how after the 2005 'input', Det.L.Hawkins and C.M.Oh's names were kept of of the frontwork.
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A lot of this has already been explained in the emails,2008,,but the S/Ws got law enfor.backup and protection Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era, while they were doing it,and got more with excuses after it was stated in the emails,through 2008.
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NEW 3-20-09. #1-4
#(1) From the beginning, Det.L.Hawkins/Com/Lias.used the inexplicable excuse to continually excuse all the S/Ws and all the S/Ws' antics and episodes by saying Lori was crazy,a generic term,never fully explored.So, the S/Ws continued with law enfor.protection for years and years,with newer ofcs. instructed to continue this policy,and the exact specifications of this really being the case or if this was really legally feasible were never given any merit.Years into this, Lori talked/taunted/yelled at me from her backyard that she was not the 'crazy' one,and that she had the paperwork to prove it, that she was not the sick f---,that I was.Insert date.Audio tape website.
There was also the very very insulting technique of waitng until I had been really harasseed and abused and then using my reaction to all of it against me,and I believe attempts to make me even more upset to use it more as excuse.This was a releatively cheap,crass tactic, and one also used by, of course, the S/Ws and their atty.,who knew what they were doing.
#(2). I believe my reactions were normal, probably more normal than anyone handling and flim flaming this mess. I've noticed a very short fuse by anyone handling any of this if their tactics were in any way criticized.There was/is a strong sense of self preservation with no regard to the total circumstances of what they were/are doing, and I do not think they could have handled any of the harassment and stalking of this intensity,the real problem.
There was/is also the insulting,deliberate situation of the S/Ws trying to provoke reactions from this residency and anyone on this property,with their intense harassment amd stalking with their law enfor. backup for them,and I will now state, hypothetcially,that I'm not so sure that certain members law enfor. weren't waiting for that too,instead of just solving the problem.This was unsavory to say the least,and I believe I have just stated all of the above in the nicest way possible.That situation was certainly discussed by anyone observing this situation and was a big source of stress and concern for us and anyone setting foot on this property.
This was a completely unnecessary horror show run by people who never should have been in charge and should have been questioned from the beginning.
It is very hard not to act stressed when you really are because it will be used against you.That's how you get a really big ulcer.
#(3 ) 'Trying to provoke situation'. For example,early on,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lis.era when we were outside in this backyard,early evenings and trying to barbeque,the S/Ws would come out and walk back and forth between the garages and John as a standard would slam their garbage cans back and forth into this fence gate and into the diagonal fence off this garage,definitely trespassing,that along with any insulting thing they wanted to say or scream at us,this their closest proximity for harassment.This was also their regular route for their horrific family fights,trespassing as they entered and exited there,already explained.After incident after incident of John deliberately slamming this gate and fence while we were sitting right there,one time,and I mean only one time I took the short stick I used to move the charcoal around in the grill and hit our gate from the inside back,saying nothing. I knew immediately that this was a mistake and never did it again as the S./Ws by this time had obvious really unnatural law enfor protection,and would use try to use that.Nothing happened then,and I forgot about it.
Now,believe it or not,about a year later,Atty.Yates actually asked me if I ever hit our gate back,and at that time I had really forgotten about it,but he did slip up in deposition by stating that this was a lot of things being done to you,are you sure you never did anything back,that this was a lot if things without doing anything back.The motive for this questioning, puzzling.
We had already decided that we and anyone on this property wouldn't do anything back as standard because the SWs wanted to say it was a two party fight and to provoke anyone into one,the S/Ws had unnatural law enfor.backup, and it seemed as if law enfor.wanted that too,as excuse.And this was really intense harassing and stalking to be enduring just because the S/Ws had law enfor.
The really scary thing was that after a few day,it dawned on me that after all their over the top episodes,the S/Ws remembered that one thing and wanted to use it as something they could try to use against us.These were really determined predators. This was a real modern day horror story.
And the S/Ws were the ones who had the law enfor.backup.
I guess the theory is,that if you yell you're innocent while you're doing what you're accused of, you can keep on doing it.She/they already had carte blanc from Com.Lia.,/Hawkins/Oh to do this anyway.When things were really horrific and loud,Mr.Starr would make it a point to act surprised about it happening,especially is he thought there would be a lot of witnesses or evidence,even though he stood next to her while she was doing it,sent her out to do it,or encouraged her to do it,over,and over,and over.This episiode was bad and memorable.
This continued the next morning,Lori at this interior fence,yelling,banging,and lying at and about me,mad about the lawsuit to stop her/them,trying to make my complaints hers,a regular practice..
Their really bad family fights continued,Lori mad at her mother,a standard family argument issue,and then a big one.There is a difference between Lori mad at her mother and Lori coming after me.Explanations are with the audio,some sufficient..
Segment 2-01-04 is grueling and difficult to listen to,but a regular occurance./
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Added.3-09
/Lori had protection from the beginning,Com.Lias./Hawkins,to scream at and threaten this residency which she used as a threat to do whenever and at whomever she wanted, actually announcing that she would just scream.She could start this and stop this whenever she wanted at her convenience.Det L.Hawkins told us that 'once Lori started screaming,she couldn't stop' , as excuse for this. Exactly what kind of detective work was that? Maybe it was true in the middle if their long, bad, heated family fights,but it was not true for the daily outbursts at this residency at her convenience.Plus the banging.Plus trespassing to do it.Lori had gotten a part time job and in between shifts,she would come home and yell at this residency and then go back to work as a pattern.She knew she could and did.
Then the three men did it more.They knew they could and did, trespassing to do it.For years,they yelled, threatened,and taunted,and trepassed, trying to get anyone on this property to reply to try to say it was a two party argument.This was outregeous, unstoppable policy which was instructed to continue and did. Det L.Hawkins was out of control.He might have been advised,not now verifiable,early on,not by Oh,that he could get suspended for all that.It didn't stop him./
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/While C.C.Marchitello was acting Chief of Police,the continual,routine,overt harassment and stalking by the S/Ws toward this residency stopped.I just sent him an email reminding him I remembered this,that the thank you message to him was still on the website,segment8-03-03,and thanked him.The S/Ws' bad, audible,screaming family fights with references to this residency still went on during this,very unnerving and unpleasant,but the overt attacks ceased. The S/Ws were controllable.Com.Lia. was not controllable.
/There is a lot of audio and incidents that haven't been written up yet for the website explanationsThat's coming.Final editing is on the blogspot not on the emails./
/ Det.L.Hawkins and Sgt.C.Oh were both named Ofcs.of the Year,during one of the worst years of this,for helping to set up C.O.P.S/.
/Lori's deliberate 'screech singing' for hours,for years,in general and at this residency and with verses about this residency,with company and childern here,at anytime up to about 11P.M.,intolerable, filling in the spaces between the harassing and stalking,cannot be minimalized.She did not do this right up to the S/Ws' east or south fences.There's a lot of this on the web audio along with her singing regularly to show she could do that,but hours of that is also not pleasant with her choice iof verses.Lori and John have their own studio apt.where she could have done this inside but that was not the obvious obective.The S/Ws knew what she was doing this.Bedsides standing right up to the interior fence,she also put on a floating device and did it at the deepest end of their pool closest to this residency.Insert dates.Ex.Segment8-13-04,end,with 'squeeky' device..
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Lori would also 'screech' read and read in regular tones for hours to harass,not at their south or east fences.Lori woud also talk at,talk about,threaten,and taunt this residency for hours,and at at the interior fence,one time for over eight hours.There is not much of the "'screech' reading on the audio web as there were bigger issues to put up,but there is the 'talk taunting'. Insert dates.Lori actually made a tape of her 'talk taunting' set to music so she could put it on to harass without having to be outside with it to do it herself. Insert dates.
For a while,Lori did position herself at the southern most part of this interior fence to do this so the new owner,corner lot, would have to hear her going on about us while he was trying to work in his yard.He had alrady called the police about their horrific family fights while he was trying to have company and children in his yard,but it did no good as the S/Ws had Com/Lia.This may have been a payback.There was always payback for complaining.When he stopped working there,she stopped standing way back there and went back to her usual positioning.When he complained,it was the S/Ws' typical family fight,I didn't have anything to do with that call,and didn't even know about it until he told me later.He was gone a lot and just stopped trying to stop it.All this with three owners complaining about the S/Ws,starting before they targeted this residency,has been explained and previously written
The S/Ws just continued to harass this residency at the interior fence,usually about 1/3 south of the garages where it was easiest to run up to the fence going back and forth between their two houses instead of going all around their pool to get to the fence, and always between the garages,trespassing,extending north toward 35th Ct.between the north driveways./
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Note:A lot of the information,dates,etc.,is on the tapes which is a problem because they have to be played for accuracy and I don't want to hear it again, but,also,because from the beginning,the S/Ws would complain if they heard any of the tapes, which was really hard to avoid with them hugging the interior fence and with any one of them going in and out at any time, and with them especially trying to hear any of it so they could complain and try and get a patrol car.This was really hard when I had to make all the copies trying to get help and for the attys.and court,three sets are the minimum there.They had to be checked to make sure they were recorded properly and there were a lot and there still are a lot more not on the audio website.Hours of work.I never did this before,did not have the best equipment,and didn't even know what the best equipment was.I had to set this up in the west room of the house and check to see if the S/Ws weren't home, let alone not in their backyard.There would be immediate retaliation,more screaming,etc.,the usual procedure anyway,plus complaints and worrying about patrol visits as the S/Ws said it "harassed' them.It was so much easier to put the tapes on the website,but I still have to be careful about checking them and was,even when Lori was blasting this residency with the "issue cd",still now making sure there's no one in their backyard,bad memories about it.Their atty.brought it up briefly at deposition and I briefly told him the situation and he didn't bring it up again.There are some things even he won't do and he really played out of the boundaries.Then we got a really good atty.to end all this.It didn't end in LHP.Com.Lias.had too much power.That's another story.
This is just one more example of the S/Ws' outrageous behavior and demands.
Absolutely no regard for the fact they did it,and it had to be heard,there was no way to stop it,but complaining that hearing any part of it no matter how short 'harassed them and they wanted backup.
Anyway,that's why all the dates aren't inserted yet and why all the audio hasn't been fully explained.It's not pleasant anyway to relive all this and there was that problem trying to do it.The S/Ws are a lot of work. cc: www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
/More explanations of incidents and audio website:
/The harasssing ,deliberate made 'bongo drum beat tapes' with her on them,end of audio segment,1-26-03, and continuing on to audio segment,2-03,were really intolerable,blasting continually starting at two hour streatches,deliberately left on outside with no one in their yard at any time of the day or evening,although she did blast one time at 2A.M.This could be heard onto three streets Lori and John had their own studio apt if they wanted to hear this,but that was obviously not the objectiveLori also chanted at and about this residency on them.Later,Lori also chanted on them,"I can rock 'til 6 o'clock."over and over.I don't know why she added that,she could do it whenever she wanted and did.Maybe Mr.Starr wanted to use the backyard when he came home,or someone in the city,with the S/Ws' atty's.input,said she could do that, just turn it off at 6P.M.This was then switched to another harassment technique.Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh era.
Note: Lori also did come into their backyard to beat on the bongos while chanting,threatening,yelling,talking about or at this residency,etc.,in person,whenever she wanted to.The made tapes were for her convenience whenever she didn't want to do it herself and to continually harass.She also yelled,threatened,talked at this residency,etc. in person ,with made tapes already on,or in the background,or together with, for a bigger effect.Insert dates.Audio web.
The rest on these two audio segments is grueling and difficult to listen to.Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh. era Initially,Det.L.Hawkins worked for code enfor.
The 2-03 segment written in expl.has 4,14,20,23,24,at 04.It is 03.There are grammatical errors and needed date corrections on the original website.I never went in and out of it after it was put up so as not to disturb anything as I didn't have that much internet savvy,and this with the audio was an expensive endeavor.The S/Ws are a lot of work./
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ADDED 3-16-09.REPOSITION.Near the beginning of all of this,before one deposition started,Atty.Yates tried to say the tapes,screaming and banging with children in the backyard pool,interior fence 8 ft.off the pool,were dubbed,probably trying to minimize the harassment level complaint.
They weren't and the S/Ws knew it.Besides,there were adults in this backyard with the children as well as neighbors outside.Hawkins/Oh/Com/Lias.era.
I didn't even have the equipment to do that or know how to use it.
But, the S/Ws did have the equipment, which is how they thought to say that,and Lori was doing it as technique,making and combining tapes to blast at this residency or in general,continuing it through the years,with her voice added,talking,threatening,taunting on them,left on outside so she didn't have to stay outside to do it herself.And she did come outside to do that along with the tapes for added effect,along with doing it in general whenever she wanted to. Plus, the repetitive noise 'pingy' tapes, the repetitive baseline tapes,the repetitive wardrum tapes,etc.,to harass.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.
This is just another example of how devious the S/Ws were,accusing me of doing something they knew I wasn't while they were actually doing it themselves as harassment.
The S/Ws were too over the top,there was never really any way or need to overembellish their situation.And it was never my idea,intention,or need/necessity to do this.I didn't even think of that being done.That was their concept and they used it.
There are more tapes of screaming,banging,etc.,with children and company in the pool and backyard.The amount of tapes had to be kept to some sort of a minimum for court.There are a lot more tapes.When the website was put up,I was in a hurry and desperate to stop all this and the lying,so I just used the ones submitted to court and to the attys.The grandchildren,then very young,sound at times a little unnatural, but that was the actuality of circumstance.
I flat out stated my reply,and the original and masters were available at the time of that deposition,and stated I was ready to proceed with any further scrutiny of them.
There was no further scrutiny requested.
All the taping was done on an inexpensive outdated single door cassette player recorder,blank cassette on record, the black one to the lower right seen in the picture on the website,www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ under "About". -That was the real 'Det.Hawkins's Day' ,the day we knew we had to hire an atty.and sue in circuit court,small claims not the proper venue, to stop the S/Ws and him.- That day I was afraid to go out and get the recorder,I had put it outside when the S/Ws started at me,I was alone,Andy came home about half way through it, the tape ran out ,and a lot was missed.This has already been explained.Insert date.Website 2007.written part 'the story'.segment 6-05-01.audio limited,the tape ran out.
ADDED.At the time that picture was taken,Lori was standing on a chair,six ft. fence,and actually looking at me and screaming at me while I was inside this house and saying,"Take my picture!",audio website,posing for it in that position with her arms.
I went through about six of the inexpensive cassette players through all the years.It was hard enough then to even find a double door cassette player recorder to put more tapes on one tape for convenience.Luckily,someone,who also tried to stop this, found one he had stored i n his garage.When that wore out,I had to buy an outdated entire unit to get a double door cassette player recorder with it,which wore out too,the usual,the play and record buttons.
The S/Ws continued this pattern of made harassment tapes/cds,the 'cd technique' through 2008,even with an instated Injunction to stop it.The S/Ws depended on LHP to override the Injunction and LHP did. Lori,in 2008, would announce from their backyard that I could tape her doing it,but so what?
REPOSITION 3-17-09
3-17-09.At Mediation,insert date,a mandatory part of the civil process,mandatory fee,paid for,over $300.00,the S/Ws said I was putting that black recorder through and over the interior fence,not true and not possible.The Mediator said for them to stop screaming at this residency and for me not to do that which I wasn't doing anyway.Further explanation on that recorder coming.The Mediator spent the majority of the time trying to find some organization outside of LHP to handle this which we didn't even and think of or request.Lori started some minor complaining and Atty.Yates startled everyone by yelling mad and really loud, "Shut up!"right at her in front of everyone.Obviously he didn't have to put up with them but he definitely made sure we had to
The Recorder. By this time, I had to hold and protect that recorder as Lori was spraying this entire back yard hitting the house windows with it anytime she wanted and screaming and threatening she could and would do it whenever she wanted.This was over the six foot interior fence.She was constantly trying to get the recorder wet if it was left unprotected,not carried out and held, to disable it so she/they could scream at me/us/this residency with no evidence.At that time that,the recorder, was the only defense I had, the S/Ws had law enfor.She was even brazen enough to scream that that was the reason for spraying the backyard even though I I really think she wanted to scream,threaten,and spray the backyard,with or without the vocals, anytime she wanted to harass in general.That went on for over a year. Audio Insert dates.04-05.Some about that on segment 6-14-04 along with the general everything.
ADDITION:The last spraying incident was 6-05 or 7-05.I had tried to trim the bushes overgrown on the south part of this interior fence.Lori immediately came out and dragged their portable sprinkler up to the fence there so there would be a steady stream back and forth over the fence and I would have to get sprayed to do it. I stopped and she turned it off. Lori had switched from the hose to their portable sprinkler so there would be a steady stream going onto this patio from where ever she put it behind the fence,yelling it was to keep her cat from coming over here and also yelling and accusing us of trying to steal her cat,which did wander over here whenever it got out which we could not control.Lori would come out and make 'meowing' sounds at Andy when he was trying to work on the pool getting as close to him as she could.The S/Ws then purchased a mechanical toy boat,remotely run,they did not have to be outside with it,which made a really loud 'honking' noise which they all put on in their pool, running it in the deepest end closest to us whenever we tried to use the yard or have company with children in it,turning it on when we tried to use the backyard and off when we and the company with children left. I have tapes of Andy just trying to talk with the grandchildren in this backyard when the 'honking' was so loud,they could just about hear each other.
I was in constant contact then,after the 05 input,with Com.Lias.relaying all this to try to show the S/Ws were determined to keep doing something to us as a continuing pattern. Admittedly,these latter complaints sound a little 'crank', but that was the actuality of circumstance.I'm sure Com.Lias. really liked these sort of dismissive 'crank' complaints and if there is any 'written' reports/material,it is probably about those.This was relatively insulting to have to work in this sort of agenda venue as the S/Ws had been covered and backed for over five and 1/2 years of really horrific behavior by Com.Lias.and now their less active period was getting more attention. When the attention went down,the S/Ws resumed their more overt behavior.The civil suit was finalized and the Injunction for prevention and protection was instated and the S/Ws then defiantely violated evey part of it with law enfor. backup and protection,through 2008..
OUT OF SEQUENCE.This below was/is/took place before the last two paragraphs 'ADDITION:' above.
2005. There was some outside input,already explained.Com.Lias.responds,reading me the manuel,saying the S/Ws didn't do that,already explained.
Com Lias.asked me to stop taping. (?) That was a shock.That was the only defense and protection I had had for years,the S/Ws had law enfor.,and the evidence had already been submitted to the judge,court,necessary before scheduled trials, on a timetable.The S/Ws didn't want the evidence.They were now trying to say that the recorder made them do it.(?) I said no,that that was the only defense I had for years and it was evidence which the S/Ws didn't want and I just could not do that and be left unprotected,especially with no evidence that they were doing it.Com.Lias.said to have the recorder unseen as it bothered the S/Ws.
Com.Lias. also really questioned me as to how and why I 'held the recorder' when I was recording them screaming, etc.,and I said I had to hold it to protect it because Lori would spray it. By this time the S/Ws were at it for hours,audible into this house and sitting room porch,over two tvs.I would carry the recorder to the backyard to tape because I was tired of disrupting the house,by then every evening,by turning things off,tvs,phone conversations,so they wouldn't be recorded with it too.Com.Lias.also said the S/Ws said I made some not loud,softlike tapping noises which upset them.(?)I wasn't sure exactly what that was,but I said it certainly wasn't a good excuse.
Com.Lis.told me it had helped the S/Ws put up a camera on the west side of their house,the interior border,right off this patio.This turned out to be a major harassment issue as the S/Ws really exploited that and it was a lot of work to counteract that.This has already been explained in length in the emails,insert dates, and I don't want to retype it now.It was enough trouble just putting up with it as the S/Ws really flaunted that while flaunting using it and told people the police had put it up for them to protect then from us.That was really really nauseating.
NEW ADD.3-26-09
ADDED.3-26-09.This 'seen' recorder issue was unexpected and strange.Insert dates.After05'input'.The S/Ws then put some sort of camera on some sort of table with really loud squeeky wheels and made a lot of noise slamming their doors,wheeling it outside all over their backyard,and yell talking,screaming,and threatening that they were going to catch me with the recorder seen or the recorder seen in this backyard,also making loud phone calls about it,and saying it was hidden if there were beach towels on the patio furniture.
This happened whenever anyone went into this backyard even if I just went out to the garbage cans or tried to sit outside for just a few minutes.This was constant as one of them was always home. So the harassment, screaming, threatening,etc.at this residency for whatever the S/Ws wanted to do was replaced by the harassment, screaming, threatening, etc.that they were going to catch the recorder 'seen',so it was still the same loud harassment problem with the S/Ws calling Com.Lias.while they were doing it.
I complained to the Chief that why did everything always have to be a three ring circus,that why didn't someone just tell them to stop.There were always patrol cars riding aound in circles accommodating the S/Ws' wants and needs and making lame excuses for them,while they were just really continuing overt harassing and stalking.-In 2008, the Chief just continued, running and riding around in circles to accommodate the S/Ws, trying to get them out of that intolerable year long Injunction Violation which they continued to do while he was doing that,of course.-
The recorder was never on 24 hrs a day.It wasn't that type of equipment.Lori would hang over the interior fence with a gallon of water pouring it on this side saying she was going to get the equipment wet and that she could legally do that.The recorder was turned on once the din started. On the orignal masters you can hear the inner workings of the recorder being turned on,this was not expensive equipment, with the screaming,banging,etc.already going on. I told Com.Lias. that then.This particular dragging out their camera,harassing,etc.went on almost daily for about a few months.Then it was time for the S/Ws to switch to something else which they did.
They did not trespass with the camera on wheels,just with the hand held one.
Com.Lias.'s 'readjusting' of this in 2005 was flat out scary,shocking,and unnerving, and definitely indicative that nobody tells them what to do.
And the above isn't all of at.The Injunction response fiasco followed that,and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse.
Instead of fixing the mess they made for over five and1/2 years,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.,they belligerently continued,instructing newer ofcs.to continue,misinforming them,not telling them the truth. It was amazing how after the 2005 'inpu't,Det.L.Hawkins and C.M.Oh's names were kept of of the frontwork.
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A lot of this has already been explained in the emails,2008,,but the S/Ws got law enfor.backup and protection Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era, while they were doing it,and got more with excuses after it was stated in the emails,through 2008.
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Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia.era.See emails,website,blogspot link through 2008,05-08,Chief.
NEW. 3-27-09.If there is a question about Andy's activity and participation in handling all this,civil suit,etc.:
From the beginning,law enfor., Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.established that the S/Ws were going to act up,and disturb the whole neighborhood and they were going to have police protection to do it.A lot of residents tried to stop this,especially in the beginning years when they constantly called in on any incidents thinking this was the correct way to do this.It did no good.There was a lot of double talk and lying,almost on a pre-teen level when you know they are lying and they know you know,except these were not pre-teens,this was law enfor. in patrol cars. This was enough to frustrate any normal person,and to really frustrate and make anyone really mad,which it did. So there was no point in even trying to deal with the S/Ws' law enfor.It didn't stop the problem and was too frustrating to deal with along with already dealing with the S/Ws.And it was establishd that the S/Ws were going to harass and stalk this residency.And law enfor.was always around,for the S/Ws,now whether you wanted them there or not,and that had to be dealt with,as this.this was becoming a constant, the S/Ws and their law enfor.,taking up all your time,and being too frustrating to deal with and destroying any kind of normal lifestyle.
Andy had to work and have some sort of normal life and the S/Ws were really targeting him trying to make this into a two party situation,and were loudly threatening they were giing to sue him for anything they could think of.
So I started doing this and that's the way it stayed.
Exactly who,how many residents,want to spend all their time dealing with and being frustrated and aggravated by the S/Ws and their law enfor.and have no normal life?
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Hawkin/Oh/Com.Lias.era.See emails.,website,and blogspot link through 2008,05-08,Chief.
Reposition.EDIT. Andy's brother sold planes,Santa Paula.Calif. After 911,he had caught someone with impeccable advanced flying documents with no flying skills to match,of a certain ethnic descent,and a fake Caucasian name,trying to buy a plane from him.He and his staff took pictues and notfied the FBI who confirmed this person was a suspect who had already been caught with box cutters,etc.and they had lost contact with him.At that time homeland security was not that well organized or well integrated with other agencys.The Santa Paula Airport was too close to LAX and could be a problem if someone wanted to take off from there to harm LAX.His staff was diligent and pretty much handling this themselves.At that time,anything to do with airports and planes was a big responsibility.
I felt bad because when he called to tell me about this I was in the middle of dealing with something with the S/Ws. This was during their really intense period.Hawkins/Oh/com.Lias.era.That was always the case when anyone called here about anything important. Someone called to tell me about a death and just waited until later because I was dealing with a S/W's called patrol visit here again.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.
Andy's brother visited here and stayed at this residency,having just flown in a plane for a sale and given the buyer additional more flying time with him to get used to everything with the plane.
I was worried that the S/Ws were going to try to say he had harassed them and try to get a police report to use at another agencies to bother him forever as he would be a good target and catch for them,and this was definitely fertile grounds for starting that kind of mess up with all the backup the S/Ws had and all the training cops who needed something to train on,although I did not tell him that then.The S/Ws were then saying anyone who set foot on this property harassed them and they were always calling in and trying to get reports which they took to other agencies. Hawkins/OH/Com.Lias. era. And his life was too involved for this.I think they did.They were too quiet,the screaming and banging attacks had noticably stopped for a while,and they weren't screaming at each other so much outside.
I can't remember right now if I had called in describing this situation trying to prevent this. I probably did as this was already such a big problem,and I was in constant contact trying to stop it,but Com.Lias. always did what it wanted,and ii never knew when patrol cars would be pulling up.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era
When he was ready to leave,he made the big mistake of talking on his cell phone too loud in this backyard about where and when he was flying home and where and when he would be dropping off the rental car at the airport.The S/Ws were home and I immediately got a bad feeling about that.We had stopped making any plans or phone calls in ths backyard as S/Ws listened to everything we did to make trouble.I did not say anything to Andy's brother about that then.
Andy's brother later called me,perplexed,a sheriff's car had pulled in right in back of him just as he entered the airport,was tailgating him and talking on the phone,and he couldn't figure out what he had done wrong except he was talking on his cell phone while driving and wanted to know if that then an infraction in Fl.I knew it was a S/Ws' call.The Sheriff followed him all the way in like that and then just stopped and drove away.The S/Ws later had moderately loud discussions and it was not clear who it was,them disguising their voice or a friend doing it for them.
Andy's brother never stayed here again as I told the family what happened and it was decided that he should just stay in Boca when he visited as his life was too busy and involved to get intermingled with the S/Ws and their police reports which they kept to use to with other agencies.We didn't.want them going after him with all that was going on with him and they went after any one who set foot on this property..
Andy's brother died of colon cancer,11-05,age 57,and when we were grieving and we were really grieving,that's when we had to hire the second exceptional atty. to stop the S/Ws,court date unavoidable and go through all the evidence and all that entails,right at that time.This residency has always had the typical life situations to deal with just as everyone else.It just had to be done with the S/Ws' constant harassment and their law enfor.backup.
Det.L.Hawkins and other ofcs.were in a big glossy picture on the cover of the LHP Magazine,insert date,as representing LHP's homeland security.No comment.
REPOSITION TO END.3-28-09. LHP Magazine,April 09,pg.48,ran an article by a local attorney about hiring an atty.,with important,useful infor.
As already explained,the first atty.hired in this situation was not the right one to stand up to the S/Ws,their law enfor. and their atty.
I called that law firm and asked what atty.should I use in the situation of spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop all this,which was not just going to be left standing as is,assistance with the Injunction violation process,and explaining the harassment stop with the award and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson argument.
It is good the LHP Magazine is publishing helpful infor.
2005.Com.Lias.'s 'readjusting' of this in 2005 was flat out scary,shocking,and unnerving, and definitely indicative that nobodytells them what to do.
And the above isn't all of at.The Injunction response fiasco followed that,and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse.
Instead of fixing the mess they made for over five and1/2 years,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.,they belligerently continued,instructing newer ofcs.to continue,misinforming them,not telling them the truth. It was amazing how after the 2005 'input', Det.L.Hawkins and C.M.Oh's names were kept of of the frontwork.
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A lot of this has already been explained in the emails,2008,,but the S/Ws got law enfor.backup and protection Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era, while they were doing it,and got more with excuses after it was stated in the emails,through 2008.
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NEW 3-20-09. #1-4
#(1) From the beginning, Det.L.Hawkins/Com/Lias.used the inexplicable excuse to continually excuse all the S/Ws and all the S/Ws' antics and episodes by saying Lori was crazy,a generic term,never fully explored.So, the S/Ws continued with law enfor.protection for years and years,with newer ofcs. instructed to continue this policy,and the exact specifications of this really being the case or if this was really legally feasible were never given any merit.Years into this, Lori talked/taunted/yelled at me from her backyard that she was not the 'crazy' one,and that she had the paperwork to prove it, that she was not the sick f---,that I was.Insert date.Audio tape website.
There was also the very very insulting technique of waitng until I had been really harasseed and abused and then using my reaction to all of it against me,and I believe attempts to make me even more upset to use it more as excuse.This was a releatively cheap,crass tactic, and one also used by, of course, the S/Ws and their atty.,who knew what they were doing.
#(2). I believe my reactions were normal, probably more normal than anyone handling and flim flaming this mess. I've noticed a very short fuse by anyone handling any of this if their tactics were in any way criticized.There was/is a strong sense of self preservation with no regard to the total circumstances of what they were/are doing, and I do not think they could have handled any of the harassment and stalking of this intensity,the real problem.
There was/is also the insulting,deliberate situation of the S/Ws trying to provoke reactions from this residency and anyone on this property,with their intense harassment amd stalking with their law enfor. backup for them,and I will now state, hypothetcially,that I'm not so sure that certain members law enfor. weren't waiting for that too,instead of just solving the problem.This was unsavory to say the least,and I believe I have just stated all of the above in the nicest way possible.That situation was certainly discussed by anyone observing this situation and was a big source of stress and concern for us and anyone setting foot on this property.
This was a completely unnecessary horror show run by people who never should have been in charge and should have been questioned from the beginning.
It is very hard not to act stressed when you really are because it will be used against you.That's how you get a really big ulcer.
#(3 ) 'Trying to provoke situation'. For example,early on,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lis.era when we were outside in this backyard,early evenings and trying to barbeque,the S/Ws would come out and walk back and forth between the garages and John as a standard would slam their garbage cans back and forth into this fence gate and into the diagonal fence off this garage,definitely trespassing,that along with any insulting thing they wanted to say or scream at us,this their closest proximity for harassment.This was also their regular route for their horrific family fights,trespassing as they entered and exited there,already explained.After incident after incident of John deliberately slamming this gate and fence while we were sitting right there,one time,and I mean only one time I took the short stick I used to move the charcoal around in the grill and hit our gate from the inside back,saying nothing. I knew immediately that this was a mistake and never did it again as the S./Ws by this time had obvious really unnatural law enfor protection,and would use try to use that.Nothing happened then,and I forgot about it.
Now,believe it or not,about a year later,Atty.Yates actually asked me if I ever hit our gate back,and at that time I had really forgotten about it,but he did slip up in deposition by stating that this was a lot of things being done to you,are you sure you never did anything back,that this was a lot if things without doing anything back.The motive for this questioning, puzzling.
We had already decided that we and anyone on this property wouldn't do anything back as standard because the SWs wanted to say it was a two party fight and to provoke anyone into one,the S/Ws had unnatural law enfor.backup, and it seemed as if law enfor.wanted that too,as excuse.And this was really intense harassing and stalking to be enduring just because the S/Ws had law enfor.
The really scary thing was that after a few day,it dawned on me that after all their over the top episodes,the S/Ws remembered that one thing and wanted to use it as something they could try to use against us.These were really determined predators. This was a real modern day horror story.
And the S/Ws were the ones who had the law enfor.backup.
#(4) From the beginning,the S/Ws had equipment,cameras,audio ,video,that I/we didn't have or even know how to use.They were constant harassment doing it and watching us.That's all they did besides fight with each other.
And I did say to Det.L.Hawkins,very early on,'written' website 2007,as this equipment and stong motivation by the S/Ws was very obvious,and known,what were they giving him as evidence besides lying and there wasn't anything.
Years later,with the civil suit pending the S/Ws had very loud discusisons and arguments over this,Mr.Starr loudly complaining that they didn't even have one tape or video to use.Then the plot to provovke Andy went into effect,Lori screaming really really loud,audible over two tvs inside, too close to this house and driveway,north side,that Andy had thrown something at her,I think a small cardboard candy box when he pulled into this driveway from work, and Mr.Starr, Mark, and John came right out,it was immediate,with a recorder and a video camera and stood on this property, trespassing, still screaming and taunting, and they had called the police on Andy.8-22-0 . We couldn't and didn't get any help,of course,and we asked for it,again,Sgt.J.Vaccaro in charge,training a new ofc.,wrongly,misinforming him and not telling him the truth.And the S/Ws kept up the harassment about this for some time,already explained,emails,insert date.
This situation has already been explained and explained in the emails,2008,insert date,and I am not retyping the whole thing now,but it went nowhere then as the S/Ws had law enfor.backup,and when it was stated in the emails,2008,they got more.And we just got another really bad intolerable harassment and trespassing episode to put up with.
The bottom line is, it's what the S/Ws 'think'.
They also accuse what they are actually doing as standard.It should be noted that the Injunction is also to stop the S/Ws from throwing things into this yard as we really do have to pick it up,so they threw an 18 ft. piece of six ft. shadowbox fence into this yard,and of course got away with it. I guess all they had to say was they 'thought' it didn't happen.
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REPOSITION.Added.3-09.
There is a six second repeat overlap on segment 6-29-02, on the website not on the original or master.The tapes had to be accurately done as they had to be turned into the judge and opposing atty.,Atty.R.Yates on a specific timetable before scheduled trials.Trial was always delayed as a tactic until it just couldn' be any more.Atty.Yates had a reputation in the civil arena for using tactic and avoiding substance or the issues.One was to send notices of deposition hearings without making appointments with the necessary stated agency,or cancelling it just before,not ethical but done,so we were already there.Andy took days off of work to go for this as we really wanted this settled and to be able to use the residency.On one occasion,in this confusion,my Atty. had told me to disregard any notices and not to appear until this was straightened out,the S/Ws and their Atty. actually did show up and there as a hasty call to me to get right down there as they were waiting and I could not and did not go right then.That early evening, John and Mark were in the backyard yelling they were calling the police because I did not show up,that this was a criminal offense(?),and were looking to make sure I really was home so the police could come right over for them.They called on this residency too many times without checking if anyone was here so they were really making sure I was home.I was home alone listening to this.Lori was on her phone yelling to someone,-what was the problem,was I just afraid to face her or what?This was more than just a little upsetting,and loud.
Another Atty.Yates's tactic was to keep you in Deposition for hours and hours and not going to the issues,and increasing the cost.One court reporter said she had never had a situation like that before.After one three hour plus situation,Andy's deposition,I said we were leaving, forgetting that the deposition had to be paid for if you walked as as it had to be presented to the Judge with specifics.That cost another $500.00 plus,and it never went before the judge as Yates just didn't reschedule Andy, just sent us a letter that he wanted to schedule him as there were more questions.Yates a had already proved his point by making this very expensive. The first atty. who wasn't really that good just stopped dealing with Yates and had stopped working.The Bar Assoc.said to file a complaint against him and kept in contact with me.I was tired and just didn't need another subplot just then,as the harassment here was still really intense.Atty.Yates thought he had us really cornered as a new atty. would be really expensive,and the S/Ws upped the harassment especially Lori who got really vicious,thinking we were cornered ,05,with no no real legal defense.The S/Ws and their atty.'s only legal reply on all this,as the S/Ws really did it all, had been a baseless countersuit about me taping ,done legally,and that I had wiretapped(?),false.The S/Ws and their atty.still really wanted that countersuit as they had had Com.Lias./law enfor.protection to do all that. (?)
That's when I finally went to the LHP Commissioners about the harassment/stalking/law enfor. mess.Com.Lias. responded by reading me the police manuel on harasssing and stalking,saying the S/Ws never did it and Det.L Hawkins got some immediate PR about his humanity. Re:Lighthouse Point Magazine.June 2005.page 10. 'Tell it like it is!'.
The harassing/stalking laws were already stated in the original filed lawsuit Even the first atty. who wasn't that good and gave up battling Atty.Yates got that part right.He started out alright.As long as that countersutuit had to be dealt with,a really good criminal civil Atty.was hired to finally end all this.This was a time consuming and expensivene endeavor as he had to go before the Judge to amend the original lawsuit,,etc.,etc.,and there were years to study.Faced with a really good Atty.,and and an unaviodable court date,and no more tactics,Atty.Yates folded. The resulting Injunction/Settlement Agreement was disregarded by Com Lias./law enfor.This has all been previously explained and explained,but it goes nowhere,as in LHP,anyone can just say things like 'there's no paperwork'. (?) All of all this could have been avoided if Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh did not from the beginning give the S/Ws such inexplicable and bizarre backup and protection.
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/Lori went to an atty. after the website was put up who sent the webhost and me a baseless factless letter complaining and theatening from Mr.Starr.The webhost is not responsible fot this content.The website is needed for protection,etc.If the S/Ws didn't do it for so long with protection,it wouldn't be there.They were proud they could get away with it it while they did it and flaunted that./
/The expense.This was used as a tactic by the S/Ws and their atty.,that they couldn't be stopped because it would just be too expensive to stop them.The S/Ws flaunted his point.TheS/Ws had law enfor.backup,Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh. Lori made a "taunting talk tape' set to music about this which she played over and over along with the other 'taunting talk tapes' which she left on outside so she didn't have to stay outside to do it herself. Insert date.Audio Segment./
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/For 2008,the deliberately harassing made 'cd technique' was extensively used even with an Injunction/Settlement Agreement to contain and stop it after years of this.For over six months,the same foreign language cd was blasted for hours and hours,day after day,Lori coming outside to restart it and restart it,and do this mock goose step dance for a few minutes,then it was played at different volumes,Lori coming out to whistle it when it wasn't on.This was switched to repetitive made cds with the same two minutes over and over or just the chorus over and over,usually for 45 minutes each.TheS/Ws knew what they were doing and knew I needed a report to stop this which they loudly checked on.They also blasted antything if there was an attempt to use the backyard and pool with company and children and didn't stay out with it turning it off when the company left.This also could be heard into this house and sitting room porch.At least it wsn't like the Com.Lias.Hawkins/Oh era when you could hear it in the park,but it was still way too loud
The S/Ws' main point with this was the repetitivenes over and over to harass and torture.TheS/Ws knew what they were doing.It just wasn't as direct as say the 'pingy noise tape' from the years before,-insert dates,audio web-,and they intermingled other harassment with that kind of tape,-screaming,banging,threatening,screech singing,etc.,so it wasn't just the constant there.
This was a constant for over a year.The situation by then was too well known to go back to all the other forms of harassment with all that backup but they probably would have gotten it anyway.
I finally was in constant contact with the Chief over this and while it was going on and he knew about the Injunction/Sett.Agree.He excused and covered for the S/Ws present and past.I had to hear and put up with all of this,the 2008 'cd technique',etc.,the entire time I was dealing with him.
The S/Ws got in and got away with an intolerable YEAR long Violation without worrying about being fined.
Then,luckily for this residency,Det,.L Hawkins got his award and there was a harassment stop./
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Reposition: This residency has a unique large porch sitting room running north south on the east side with really big opaque windows which are inconvenient to open and close and were open for years,awning protection,befire this.So it was easy to get at to harass and an easy target for hrassment,especially when th S/Ws blasted ad technique,player,radio for hours and stayed insideThey knew what they were doing.This,let alone not being able to use the backyard and pool with it,along with the screaming,banging,etc.,etc.,etc.There is a door directly to the pool from that sitting room porch.We stopped using it because Lori could see the top of it opening from her studio apt.and she would come right out to scream and yell,one time coming right out with written pages she wrote to read at me,Mr Starr telling her where she could stand in their backyard to do it.We still don't use that door.We started going in and out to the backyard through the garage because there was some foliage to block their visibility and we kept that back garage door always open.This all went on while we were still trying to have grandchildren here.
Atty.R.Yates tried to say the residencies were on top of each other in LHP,as excuse for the S/Ws' behavior.
From the beginning, Det.L.Hawkins was in charge and eveything went back to him and Com.Lia.After some time of all this maybe a year and a half,I started publically saying that his behavior was becoming more and more inexplicably bizarre.Privately,I was saying he was acting like Mr.Starr in a cop suit.Their relationship and his excuses for them were a little too apparent,and instructed to continue to newer ofcs.
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Note:Added.The last incident of the interior fence banging was about two weeks before it came down hanging in two 18 ft. pieces,each hanging opposite at 45 degree angles.I had made the mistake of trying to have company,someone who was obviously 8 and1/2 months pregnant, and use the backyard and sitting room porch and Lori came right out and banged at that interior fence progressing to a steady beat for over one half hour until the company left.Then she stopped.
Another 'S/Ws THINK ' Thing.Earlier that day,Mark had gotten an ofc.and car over here by calling in and saying I had thrown a lit firecracker over the fence at him.I guess you could now call that the 'S/Ws think' thing.The ofc. wanted to see if there was any firecracker residue in this backyard and I let him look and also brought him inside to show him from the inside of the sitting room porch the part of the interior fence the S/Ws stood behind to harass for the best effect.The overt smashing from behind the interior fence stopped when it came apart, but Mr.Starr still whacked the interior piece on the 45 degree angle closest to this pool,loud with his long metal pool pole to empty his pool sludge on this side.
/ Someone suggested that I talk to the new Chief,I think early 05,about all of this.I was very apprehensive about doing that as the S/Ws already had law enfor.,Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh.after I approached the first Commissioner,05,with the audio,the Chief called me.I kept in touch with him until just a little while ago.That went very well , for Com.Lias.and the S/Ws.
It's amazing how,after the 05'input',Det.L.Hawkins and Cm.M.Oh managed to keep their names out of the front work for this.cc: http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ 2008-09 link towww.lighthousepointflorida.net/
2005.
The screaming,threatening,banging,made tapes and cds,harassing,stalking,trespassing,screech singing, etc.,etc., etc., protected by Com.Lias.,Hawkins/Oh policy, were too much.
After over five and a half years of this,it became important to try to use this residency in some sort of normal way,it could not even be leased out with all this going on.One diligent Commissioner,2005,discussed this with the Chief.
Com.Liasion's response was to read me the police manual regarding harassing and stalking and to say the S/Ws did not violate that. (?)
More costly legal civil action took placed resulting in an Injunction.Com.Lias.disregarded it.
Com.Lias.was too powerful. And not right.
After the five and one half years,a first Commissioner was approached for help,given five years of audio which Com. Lias.already had and some paperwork,but that went nowhere,back to Com.Lias.,and we had one of the worst holiday weekends,Memorial Weekend,05,the screaming and complaint on the website audio,probably in retaliation for complaining about them or just in general,or because they thought they had a legal edge or we had less legal protection, already explained,previous email,insert date.No company,we couldn't ue the backyard or pool in any normal way,Lori was ferociously yelling at us,backyard between the garages trespassing and north side, and she got patrol cars here saying we had banged on her garage door,-the proper terminology now is,it was ok because Lori 'thought' this-,and we got no help with the problem.It was still really horrifying.One responding ofc.on the 'think' garage call was Ofc.LauraTyler who later became Com.Lias.
So, a second Commissioner was approached for help given the five years of audio and Com.Lias.responded with reading me the manual.This Commissioner was extremely diligent for a long time trying to make some logical procedure with this mess especially during the fence fiascio.By then Ofc.Laura Tyler was Com.Lias.and in constant contact with the Chief and Code Enfor.The bottom line was the fence wasn't going to go up no matter how many ofcs.,Com.Lias.,said Lori could smash it.You have no idea what that sounds like on this side when it could be done at anytime.The S/Ws' bottom line to the city was that they had us on the fence regulations,a real complaint,they were constantly looking for anything they could use,and they adamently complained about the interior fence not being put up even though it was their fault it wasn't.
This was further complicated and scary by the preceeding horrible response from Com.Lias.about the trespassing and harassing between the garages and the attempt to stop it with an instated Injunction and by putting up a fence there.The S/Ws got patrol cars over here over three times as they didn't want to be stopped at that.There was no reassurance that the S/Ws wouldn't just go back to smashing a new fence or standing directly in back of it to scream,threaten,taunt,screech sing,talk at us,spray the backyard,etc.,for hrs.,or in spurts.
Com.Lias.'s attitude was set.That Commissioner and the Bldg.Dept.did diligently work with this trying to find a more harasser proof fence,more direct visibility,so they couln't stand directly in back of it to hit it or harass without being easily seen.The interior fence went up with a lot of harassment still going on from the S/Ws,cd technique,"issue cd",full blast for hours,and that cd and made techique went on for another 11 months.
There is still that really awful graphic image of Lori skipping around Andy as close as she could get while he was trying to work on the fence with that "issue cd" really blasting with her loudly fake laughing.She had come out with it on for 'the harassment while the fence was being put up'.That was almost surreal.It got dark so work was beng done with lights on.She stayed out with the blasting for that.This fence had to be made not bought,only 42inches bought.What do you do?Have Com.Lia.come over?
The Code Boad had alredy done the liening procedure for $18,000.00 anyway The City Admin.attended this Code Board meeting to help unmitigate this and it was but,this residency was fined $500.00,paid, because the Code Board 'had to do work on this'.Com.Lias.Ofc.Laura Tyler did escort us out after I asked if the $500.00 fine could be mitigated and was not answered,saying I didn't belong there.I did talk to the Chief some time later about this and he said the Code Board is very busy and there is only so much time for each thing.I was wondering who told her to do and say that.The Chief,Code Enfor., and Com.Lias.were in contant contact,each referring to each other..
A lot of time and effort goes into dealing with the S/Ws and their Com.Lias.If you work in any capacity in this city,you ultimately deal with and work for them.
The S/Ws were very unhappy with both fences,the one between the garages remaining green mesh so they definitely couldn't bang on it,complained a lot about both,still complaining,10-08,during the three patrol car 'think electrocution' incident
This situation and many others have already been explained partially and in segments some time ago.There appears to be no impact or results until the Keeper Days Celebration,the harassment stop stillexpressed as greatly appreciated.Anything to stop this.Already discussed.There is still the fear/reality that it could just start up all over again.The S/Ws are used to getting what they want.
There is still the question as to how many other LHP residents would be complacent about being treated like this and putting up with all this after spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop it,in general putting up with all this,obtaining an ignored Injunction,putting up a protective website to prevent more and clarifty the coverups,and emailing over 25 people in the city for over a year. cc:www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
2-25-09.Mr Starr and Lori sit in their backyard,afternoon,approx.1and 1/2 hrs.and discuss strategy,making phone calls. Mindset.Exactly what's left? They definitely aced 2008 and the preceeding.At least is was soft and Lori did not have a radio or a player.That is definitely a predictable slippery slope when that happens.
2-17-09.Mayor F.Schorr,Commissioner S.Gordon,
Please be reminded that you were informed,2006,that there was a major problem concerning the S/Ws and law enforcement.The City Attorney also informed Chief Licata at that time,paperwork available.Attorney E.Bruce Johnson,2006,arguing that the city was not responsible for the negligent acts of government workers,should not have had so much pull in this city.This is more than just inappropriate that this situation continued until the Keeper Days,2009,agenda,and could just start up again.Also,the request for then just reimbursement should not have been considered so easily disposable.A moderate amount of unprofessionism is tolerated as normal.It is not tolerated as normal to have become the standard for so many years.None of this should have been so easily and blatently dismissed.This should have been corrected in a maximun of six months.Thank you,Gail Pfistner3540 N.E.28th Ave.LHP
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This blogspot is not now meant now to be standard format journalistic expertise.It is to get all the incidents up for referral and for future protection.It can be reorganized later.
/There are some description situation repeats.
However,when they happened,the S/Ws had law enfor.coverage.
When they were stated,emails 2008,the S/Ws got more,right up to the Chief.
If the level of awareness isn't kept fairly acute,they'll continue.
It's no picnic trying to fend off the S/Ws and their law enfor.and paying for it.
Trying to contain and discredit victims is a little too cheap cadlike,and the excuse of being oblivious or not getting it should not be a professional working standard./
3-03,4-09.Why was Chief Licata so evasive about the reports for the Injunction Violations?-telling me first I could have them, then telling me to use the 'clanging dish situation',then telling me to go to the Sheriff's Dept.,in general.When I again asked,9-10-8,I was told to talk to the ofcs.on the 9-09-08 call,Ofcs.Rowan nd Riemer,a call Lori made,and lied,to try to stop me from complaining about the long violation.And he never answered my letter.He wasn't the least bit non obvious.Emails have already been sent describing all the above situations.Insert dates.I talked to him,10-13-08, about the 'Lori think rifle situation' ,10-11-08,and he said he belived her.I talked to him,10-27-08, about the harassing cd technique and the problem with John while I was trying,staying on this property,to fix the green mesh fence between the garages to keep John/them out and to let him know there would be work going on there as the S/Ws didn't like things like that.I called him on the 'S/Ws think electrocution incident',10-29-08,that day,and he never returned my calls on that.I didn't call him again after that and he never called me again.
If anyone deserves to be fined,it's the S/Ws.And if anyone shouldn't be covering for them,it's a Chief of Police.They already got enough from Com.Lias.It was just a little too obtuse and obvious to try to keep talking to try to placate this as venue until it just couldn't be done anymore.It should have been fixed.
Oh,that's right,- this residency did pay over $30,000.00 to fix this, a minor point in the city's plan to handle this.
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Added.3-09.
The really scary thing is, that if it weren't for the website/internet, the disbursing of the legal documents,the time and expense extended,the endless emailing,etc.,the S/Ws and Com.Lias would still be doing it,keeping the upper hand,declaring they were right.They never lost the upper hand.They just can't say they were right.cc: www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
2-23-09.Re:LHP Keeper Days' Celebration,2009. Det.L.Hawkins should not have beed honored.His actions,for years,while employed by the city of LHP, were too time consuming and costly to counteract.See www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ 2008-08 link to www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ . Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,arguing,2006,that the city is not responsible for the negligent acts of government workers,should not have had so much pull in the city.LHP Commissioner and contributing reporter for The Deerfield Observer,Sandy Johnson,aware of this situation since 2005,can confirm the emails were sent.. Thank you.
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Additions.-It doesn't seem as if there will ever be any reports for the Injunction without an attorney, and it doesn't seem as if there will be any reimbursement without a filed lawsuit.It does seem as if there will be plenty of flimsy verbal excuses for all this while as everyone tries to blame everyone else-.
3-05-09 sent.3-07-09 sent with additions
Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded that the bottom line and point is, that this residency spent over $30,000.00,documented,and a lot of time consuming effort,documented,trying to stop all this,while putting up with all this, regardless of whatever other plan there was to 'manage' this and try to disregard those two points.
Cornering and locking in a residency to escalating atty' s fees to counteract the S/Ws and their law enfor is a disdainful and unethical tactic,a tactic not missed,expressed, and used by the S/Ws and their Atty.,that it would just be too expensive to try and stop them with their backup
From the beginning,ethics was not considered,flimsy excuses were used to keep this bizarre situation going,incompetent and inappropriate actions were used, and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson approval continued it.
This tenacious harassment stop, enabling a main player in this problem to receive Keeper Days' recognition without the possibility of a PR rukus by thr S/Ws in the middle of it, is inconclusive and insufficient and again tenacious.
No one in LHP would be complacent about this
Thank you,Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP.
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2008 was a rough year compounded by the Chief covering for the S/Ws after all the other unfair backup they had gotten.
The S/Ws got in an intolerable YEAR long Violation without worrying about being fined.
Luckily for this residency,Det.L.Hawkins got his award and there was a harassment stop for that.
If anyone is grumbling about daring to complain about all this,please be reminded that this was financed by taxpayers.
It is not as if the S/Ws hired their own private security to harass,stalk,etc.,with backup and protection.They just called Com.Lias.and Det.L.Hawkins to get it,and unfortunately later,the Chief.
And,oh yes, -that other little point,-that this residency spent over $30,000.00 to try and stop it.
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3-12-09.
Mayor F.Schorr, Re:2008.
Please be aware that I had no idea that constantly talking to a Chief of Police about a problem was not 'official law enfor. work', that it was merely a 'containment policy' while ineffectively trying to cover this up.No wonder there is never any 'paperwork'.And please be reminded that while that was going on, this residency was still deliberately and intolerably and daily being harassed,with responsible instated legal action to stop it.There was also always the annoying prospect of having to 'dumb down' to discuss this as everything was discussed and done on such an unavoidable 'dumbed down' level,besides the double talk,from the beginning and continuing.Exactly how many people with brains stopped trying to interceed? It would have been a lot easier to use this residency for all those years in a normal way and not spend over $30,000.00 and a lot of time and effort over this but,I guess that would have been too logical in this chosen and accepted venue of operation. Thank you.
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If the Chief is saying during this 'containment period',he was asking the S/Ws to turn off the deliberately made harassing repetitive cds,then why are there no reports for the Violations process?That was an intolerable, extensively used YEAR long Violation that had to be put up with until Det.Hawkins got his award.That,long with more of the S/Ws' 'think' episodes, etc.,etc.
3-19-09. There is still a lot of expressed discontent with having to put up with all that and spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop it.The Det.L.Hawkins award situation was a little too 'A.I.G.' in theory,but the harassment stop is still very, very appreciated.
3-21-09.approx.2P.M.Lori and John come into their backyard loud talking and yell talking,audible into this house so you have to notice they are there, probably the point.John stands in their backyard,directly faces this residency and smirks. Lori sits in a chair,smirks,directly faces this residency and holds up objects,as if she is posing for pictures.Mindset.I don't know if it was because they saw me looking out through a closed tinted window when I heard them or if it was their in general have to do something to or at this residency as their standard patterned lifestyle.They got away with all that,all the way through 2008 with an Injunction and they know it and flaunt it.So did law enfor.and they know it too.Both would probably do it again and more.That's what the Injunction was for.
3-25-09.Mayor Schorr,
There is still a lot of discontent over putting up with all this and over the $30,000.00 trying to stop it.
The civil action was grueling and unnecessary.
After a year and a half of intolerable harassment and stalking,there was nothing else this residency could do.
The city could argue that it wasn't it's fault that the S/Ws initially hired an Atty.who could play with the system better unil this residency hired an exceptional second Atty.to stop it.
But that civil action would not have been necessary if law enfor.had handled this properly and had not kept it up once the suit was filed.
That stands regardless of what an E.Bruce Johnson type of Atty.would retort.
The Det.L.Hawkins award was a little too 'AIG' in theory.
But at least there was a very,very still appreciated harassment stop.
The mindset is still obviously bad next door.
The S/Ws and their law enfor.had years and years.The harassment stop has only been a few months.It could revert.That's what the Injunction was for. Thank you.
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3-28-09.LHP Magazine,April 09,pg.48,ran an article by a local attorney about hiring an atty.,with important,useful infor.
As already explained,the first atty.hired in this situation was not the right one to stand up to the S/Ws,their law enfor. and their atty.
I called that law firm and asked what atty.should I use in the situation of spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop all this,which was not just going to be left standing as is,assistance with the Injunction violation process,and explaining the harassment stop with the award and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson argument.
It is good the LHP Magazine is publishing helpful infor.
And I did say to Det.L.Hawkins,very early on,'written' website 2007,as this equipment and stong motivation by the S/Ws was very obvious,and known,what were they giving him as evidence besides lying and there wasn't anything.
Years later,with the civil suit pending the S/Ws had very loud discusisons and arguments over this,Mr.Starr loudly complaining that they didn't even have one tape or video to use.Then the plot to provovke Andy went into effect,Lori screaming really really loud,audible over two tvs inside, too close to this house and driveway,north side,that Andy had thrown something at her,I think a small cardboard candy box when he pulled into this driveway from work, and Mr.Starr, Mark, and John came right out,it was immediate,with a recorder and a video camera and stood on this property, trespassing, still screaming and taunting, and they had called the police on Andy.8-22-0 . We couldn't and didn't get any help,of course,and we asked for it,again,Sgt.J.Vaccaro in charge,training a new ofc.,wrongly,misinforming him and not telling him the truth.And the S/Ws kept up the harassment about this for some time,already explained,emails,insert date.
This situation has already been explained and explained in the emails,2008,insert date,and I am not retyping the whole thing now,but it went nowhere then as the S/Ws had law enfor.backup,and when it was stated in the emails,2008,they got more.And we just got another really bad intolerable harassment and trespassing episode to put up with.
The bottom line is, it's what the S/Ws 'think'.
They also accuse what they are actually doing as standard.It should be noted that the Injunction is also to stop the S/Ws from throwing things into this yard as we really do have to pick it up,so they threw an 18 ft. piece of six ft. shadowbox fence into this yard,and of course got away with it. I guess all they had to say was they 'thought' it didn't happen.
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REPOSITION.Added.3-09.
There is a six second repeat overlap on segment 6-29-02, on the website not on the original or master.The tapes had to be accurately done as they had to be turned into the judge and opposing atty.,Atty.R.Yates on a specific timetable before scheduled trials.Trial was always delayed as a tactic until it just couldn' be any more.Atty.Yates had a reputation in the civil arena for using tactic and avoiding substance or the issues.One was to send notices of deposition hearings without making appointments with the necessary stated agency,or cancelling it just before,not ethical but done,so we were already there.Andy took days off of work to go for this as we really wanted this settled and to be able to use the residency.On one occasion,in this confusion,my Atty. had told me to disregard any notices and not to appear until this was straightened out,the S/Ws and their Atty. actually did show up and there as a hasty call to me to get right down there as they were waiting and I could not and did not go right then.That early evening, John and Mark were in the backyard yelling they were calling the police because I did not show up,that this was a criminal offense(?),and were looking to make sure I really was home so the police could come right over for them.They called on this residency too many times without checking if anyone was here so they were really making sure I was home.I was home alone listening to this.Lori was on her phone yelling to someone,-what was the problem,was I just afraid to face her or what?This was more than just a little upsetting,and loud.
Another Atty.Yates's tactic was to keep you in Deposition for hours and hours and not going to the issues,and increasing the cost.One court reporter said she had never had a situation like that before.After one three hour plus situation,Andy's deposition,I said we were leaving, forgetting that the deposition had to be paid for if you walked as as it had to be presented to the Judge with specifics.That cost another $500.00 plus,and it never went before the judge as Yates just didn't reschedule Andy, just sent us a letter that he wanted to schedule him as there were more questions.Yates a had already proved his point by making this very expensive. The first atty. who wasn't really that good just stopped dealing with Yates and had stopped working.The Bar Assoc.said to file a complaint against him and kept in contact with me.I was tired and just didn't need another subplot just then,as the harassment here was still really intense.Atty.Yates thought he had us really cornered as a new atty. would be really expensive,and the S/Ws upped the harassment especially Lori who got really vicious,thinking we were cornered ,05,with no no real legal defense.The S/Ws and their atty.'s only legal reply on all this,as the S/Ws really did it all, had been a baseless countersuit about me taping ,done legally,and that I had wiretapped(?),false.The S/Ws and their atty.still really wanted that countersuit as they had had Com.Lias./law enfor.protection to do all that. (?)
That's when I finally went to the LHP Commissioners about the harassment/stalking/law enfor. mess.Com.Lias. responded by reading me the police manuel on harasssing and stalking,saying the S/Ws never did it and Det.L Hawkins got some immediate PR about his humanity. Re:Lighthouse Point Magazine.June 2005.page 10. 'Tell it like it is!'.
The harassing/stalking laws were already stated in the original filed lawsuit Even the first atty. who wasn't that good and gave up battling Atty.Yates got that part right.He started out alright.As long as that countersutuit had to be dealt with,a really good criminal civil Atty.was hired to finally end all this.This was a time consuming and expensivene endeavor as he had to go before the Judge to amend the original lawsuit,,etc.,etc.,and there were years to study.Faced with a really good Atty.,and and an unaviodable court date,and no more tactics,Atty.Yates folded. The resulting Injunction/Settlement Agreement was disregarded by Com Lias./law enfor.This has all been previously explained and explained,but it goes nowhere,as in LHP,anyone can just say things like 'there's no paperwork'. (?) All of all this could have been avoided if Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh did not from the beginning give the S/Ws such inexplicable and bizarre backup and protection.
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/Lori went to an atty. after the website was put up who sent the webhost and me a baseless factless letter complaining and theatening from Mr.Starr.The webhost is not responsible fot this content.The website is needed for protection,etc.If the S/Ws didn't do it for so long with protection,it wouldn't be there.They were proud they could get away with it it while they did it and flaunted that./
/The expense.This was used as a tactic by the S/Ws and their atty.,that they couldn't be stopped because it would just be too expensive to stop them.The S/Ws flaunted his point.TheS/Ws had law enfor.backup,Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh. Lori made a "taunting talk tape' set to music about this which she played over and over along with the other 'taunting talk tapes' which she left on outside so she didn't have to stay outside to do it herself. Insert date.Audio Segment./
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/For 2008,the deliberately harassing made 'cd technique' was extensively used even with an Injunction/Settlement Agreement to contain and stop it after years of this.For over six months,the same foreign language cd was blasted for hours and hours,day after day,Lori coming outside to restart it and restart it,and do this mock goose step dance for a few minutes,then it was played at different volumes,Lori coming out to whistle it when it wasn't on.This was switched to repetitive made cds with the same two minutes over and over or just the chorus over and over,usually for 45 minutes each.TheS/Ws knew what they were doing and knew I needed a report to stop this which they loudly checked on.They also blasted antything if there was an attempt to use the backyard and pool with company and children and didn't stay out with it turning it off when the company left.This also could be heard into this house and sitting room porch.At least it wsn't like the Com.Lias.Hawkins/Oh era when you could hear it in the park,but it was still way too loud
The S/Ws' main point with this was the repetitivenes over and over to harass and torture.TheS/Ws knew what they were doing.It just wasn't as direct as say the 'pingy noise tape' from the years before,-insert dates,audio web-,and they intermingled other harassment with that kind of tape,-screaming,banging,threatening,screech singing,etc.,so it wasn't just the constant there.
This was a constant for over a year.The situation by then was too well known to go back to all the other forms of harassment with all that backup but they probably would have gotten it anyway.
I finally was in constant contact with the Chief over this and while it was going on and he knew about the Injunction/Sett.Agree.He excused and covered for the S/Ws present and past.I had to hear and put up with all of this,the 2008 'cd technique',etc.,the entire time I was dealing with him.
The S/Ws got in and got away with an intolerable YEAR long Violation without worrying about being fined.
Then,luckily for this residency,Det,.L Hawkins got his award and there was a harassment stop./
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Reposition: This residency has a unique large porch sitting room running north south on the east side with really big opaque windows which are inconvenient to open and close and were open for years,awning protection,befire this.So it was easy to get at to harass and an easy target for hrassment,especially when th S/Ws blasted ad technique,player,radio for hours and stayed insideThey knew what they were doing.This,let alone not being able to use the backyard and pool with it,along with the screaming,banging,etc.,etc.,etc.There is a door directly to the pool from that sitting room porch.We stopped using it because Lori could see the top of it opening from her studio apt.and she would come right out to scream and yell,one time coming right out with written pages she wrote to read at me,Mr Starr telling her where she could stand in their backyard to do it.We still don't use that door.We started going in and out to the backyard through the garage because there was some foliage to block their visibility and we kept that back garage door always open.This all went on while we were still trying to have grandchildren here.
Atty.R.Yates tried to say the residencies were on top of each other in LHP,as excuse for the S/Ws' behavior.
From the beginning, Det.L.Hawkins was in charge and eveything went back to him and Com.Lia.After some time of all this maybe a year and a half,I started publically saying that his behavior was becoming more and more inexplicably bizarre.Privately,I was saying he was acting like Mr.Starr in a cop suit.Their relationship and his excuses for them were a little too apparent,and instructed to continue to newer ofcs.
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Note:Added.The last incident of the interior fence banging was about two weeks before it came down hanging in two 18 ft. pieces,each hanging opposite at 45 degree angles.I had made the mistake of trying to have company,someone who was obviously 8 and1/2 months pregnant, and use the backyard and sitting room porch and Lori came right out and banged at that interior fence progressing to a steady beat for over one half hour until the company left.Then she stopped.
Another 'S/Ws THINK ' Thing.Earlier that day,Mark had gotten an ofc.and car over here by calling in and saying I had thrown a lit firecracker over the fence at him.I guess you could now call that the 'S/Ws think' thing.The ofc. wanted to see if there was any firecracker residue in this backyard and I let him look and also brought him inside to show him from the inside of the sitting room porch the part of the interior fence the S/Ws stood behind to harass for the best effect.The overt smashing from behind the interior fence stopped when it came apart, but Mr.Starr still whacked the interior piece on the 45 degree angle closest to this pool,loud with his long metal pool pole to empty his pool sludge on this side.
/ Someone suggested that I talk to the new Chief,I think early 05,about all of this.I was very apprehensive about doing that as the S/Ws already had law enfor.,Com.Lias./Hawkins/Oh.after I approached the first Commissioner,05,with the audio,the Chief called me.I kept in touch with him until just a little while ago.That went very well , for Com.Lias.and the S/Ws.
It's amazing how,after the 05'input',Det.L.Hawkins and Cm.M.Oh managed to keep their names out of the front work for this.cc: http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ 2008-09 link towww.lighthousepointflorida.net/
2005.
The screaming,threatening,banging,made tapes and cds,harassing,stalking,trespassing,screech singing, etc.,etc., etc., protected by Com.Lias.,Hawkins/Oh policy, were too much.
After over five and a half years of this,it became important to try to use this residency in some sort of normal way,it could not even be leased out with all this going on.One diligent Commissioner,2005,discussed this with the Chief.
Com.Liasion's response was to read me the police manual regarding harassing and stalking and to say the S/Ws did not violate that. (?)
More costly legal civil action took placed resulting in an Injunction.Com.Lias.disregarded it.
Com.Lias.was too powerful. And not right.
After the five and one half years,a first Commissioner was approached for help,given five years of audio which Com. Lias.already had and some paperwork,but that went nowhere,back to Com.Lias.,and we had one of the worst holiday weekends,Memorial Weekend,05,the screaming and complaint on the website audio,probably in retaliation for complaining about them or just in general,or because they thought they had a legal edge or we had less legal protection, already explained,previous email,insert date.No company,we couldn't ue the backyard or pool in any normal way,Lori was ferociously yelling at us,backyard between the garages trespassing and north side, and she got patrol cars here saying we had banged on her garage door,-the proper terminology now is,it was ok because Lori 'thought' this-,and we got no help with the problem.It was still really horrifying.One responding ofc.on the 'think' garage call was Ofc.LauraTyler who later became Com.Lias.
So, a second Commissioner was approached for help given the five years of audio and Com.Lias.responded with reading me the manual.This Commissioner was extremely diligent for a long time trying to make some logical procedure with this mess especially during the fence fiascio.By then Ofc.Laura Tyler was Com.Lias.and in constant contact with the Chief and Code Enfor.The bottom line was the fence wasn't going to go up no matter how many ofcs.,Com.Lias.,said Lori could smash it.You have no idea what that sounds like on this side when it could be done at anytime.The S/Ws' bottom line to the city was that they had us on the fence regulations,a real complaint,they were constantly looking for anything they could use,and they adamently complained about the interior fence not being put up even though it was their fault it wasn't.
This was further complicated and scary by the preceeding horrible response from Com.Lias.about the trespassing and harassing between the garages and the attempt to stop it with an instated Injunction and by putting up a fence there.The S/Ws got patrol cars over here over three times as they didn't want to be stopped at that.There was no reassurance that the S/Ws wouldn't just go back to smashing a new fence or standing directly in back of it to scream,threaten,taunt,screech sing,talk at us,spray the backyard,etc.,for hrs.,or in spurts.
Com.Lias.'s attitude was set.That Commissioner and the Bldg.Dept.did diligently work with this trying to find a more harasser proof fence,more direct visibility,so they couln't stand directly in back of it to hit it or harass without being easily seen.The interior fence went up with a lot of harassment still going on from the S/Ws,cd technique,"issue cd",full blast for hours,and that cd and made techique went on for another 11 months.
There is still that really awful graphic image of Lori skipping around Andy as close as she could get while he was trying to work on the fence with that "issue cd" really blasting with her loudly fake laughing.She had come out with it on for 'the harassment while the fence was being put up'.That was almost surreal.It got dark so work was beng done with lights on.She stayed out with the blasting for that.This fence had to be made not bought,only 42inches bought.What do you do?Have Com.Lia.come over?
The Code Boad had alredy done the liening procedure for $18,000.00 anyway The City Admin.attended this Code Board meeting to help unmitigate this and it was but,this residency was fined $500.00,paid, because the Code Board 'had to do work on this'.Com.Lias.Ofc.Laura Tyler did escort us out after I asked if the $500.00 fine could be mitigated and was not answered,saying I didn't belong there.I did talk to the Chief some time later about this and he said the Code Board is very busy and there is only so much time for each thing.I was wondering who told her to do and say that.The Chief,Code Enfor., and Com.Lias.were in contant contact,each referring to each other..
A lot of time and effort goes into dealing with the S/Ws and their Com.Lias.If you work in any capacity in this city,you ultimately deal with and work for them.
The S/Ws were very unhappy with both fences,the one between the garages remaining green mesh so they definitely couldn't bang on it,complained a lot about both,still complaining,10-08,during the three patrol car 'think electrocution' incident
This situation and many others have already been explained partially and in segments some time ago.There appears to be no impact or results until the Keeper Days Celebration,the harassment stop stillexpressed as greatly appreciated.Anything to stop this.Already discussed.There is still the fear/reality that it could just start up all over again.The S/Ws are used to getting what they want.
There is still the question as to how many other LHP residents would be complacent about being treated like this and putting up with all this after spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop it,in general putting up with all this,obtaining an ignored Injunction,putting up a protective website to prevent more and clarifty the coverups,and emailing over 25 people in the city for over a year. cc:www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
2-25-09.Mr Starr and Lori sit in their backyard,afternoon,approx.1and 1/2 hrs.and discuss strategy,making phone calls. Mindset.Exactly what's left? They definitely aced 2008 and the preceeding.At least is was soft and Lori did not have a radio or a player.That is definitely a predictable slippery slope when that happens.
2-17-09.Mayor F.Schorr,Commissioner S.Gordon,
Please be reminded that you were informed,2006,that there was a major problem concerning the S/Ws and law enforcement.The City Attorney also informed Chief Licata at that time,paperwork available.Attorney E.Bruce Johnson,2006,arguing that the city was not responsible for the negligent acts of government workers,should not have had so much pull in this city.This is more than just inappropriate that this situation continued until the Keeper Days,2009,agenda,and could just start up again.Also,the request for then just reimbursement should not have been considered so easily disposable.A moderate amount of unprofessionism is tolerated as normal.It is not tolerated as normal to have become the standard for so many years.None of this should have been so easily and blatently dismissed.This should have been corrected in a maximun of six months.Thank you,Gail Pfistner3540 N.E.28th Ave.LHP
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This blogspot is not now meant now to be standard format journalistic expertise.It is to get all the incidents up for referral and for future protection.It can be reorganized later.
/There are some description situation repeats.
However,when they happened,the S/Ws had law enfor.coverage.
When they were stated,emails 2008,the S/Ws got more,right up to the Chief.
If the level of awareness isn't kept fairly acute,they'll continue.
It's no picnic trying to fend off the S/Ws and their law enfor.and paying for it.
Trying to contain and discredit victims is a little too cheap cadlike,and the excuse of being oblivious or not getting it should not be a professional working standard./
3-03,4-09.Why was Chief Licata so evasive about the reports for the Injunction Violations?-telling me first I could have them, then telling me to use the 'clanging dish situation',then telling me to go to the Sheriff's Dept.,in general.When I again asked,9-10-8,I was told to talk to the ofcs.on the 9-09-08 call,Ofcs.Rowan nd Riemer,a call Lori made,and lied,to try to stop me from complaining about the long violation.And he never answered my letter.He wasn't the least bit non obvious.Emails have already been sent describing all the above situations.Insert dates.I talked to him,10-13-08, about the 'Lori think rifle situation' ,10-11-08,and he said he belived her.I talked to him,10-27-08, about the harassing cd technique and the problem with John while I was trying,staying on this property,to fix the green mesh fence between the garages to keep John/them out and to let him know there would be work going on there as the S/Ws didn't like things like that.I called him on the 'S/Ws think electrocution incident',10-29-08,that day,and he never returned my calls on that.I didn't call him again after that and he never called me again.
If anyone deserves to be fined,it's the S/Ws.And if anyone shouldn't be covering for them,it's a Chief of Police.They already got enough from Com.Lias.It was just a little too obtuse and obvious to try to keep talking to try to placate this as venue until it just couldn't be done anymore.It should have been fixed.
Oh,that's right,- this residency did pay over $30,000.00 to fix this, a minor point in the city's plan to handle this.
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Added.3-09.
The really scary thing is, that if it weren't for the website/internet, the disbursing of the legal documents,the time and expense extended,the endless emailing,etc.,the S/Ws and Com.Lias would still be doing it,keeping the upper hand,declaring they were right.They never lost the upper hand.They just can't say they were right.cc: www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/
2-23-09.Re:LHP Keeper Days' Celebration,2009. Det.L.Hawkins should not have beed honored.His actions,for years,while employed by the city of LHP, were too time consuming and costly to counteract.See www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ 2008-08 link to www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ . Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,arguing,2006,that the city is not responsible for the negligent acts of government workers,should not have had so much pull in the city.LHP Commissioner and contributing reporter for The Deerfield Observer,Sandy Johnson,aware of this situation since 2005,can confirm the emails were sent.. Thank you.
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Additions.-It doesn't seem as if there will ever be any reports for the Injunction without an attorney, and it doesn't seem as if there will be any reimbursement without a filed lawsuit.It does seem as if there will be plenty of flimsy verbal excuses for all this while as everyone tries to blame everyone else-.
3-05-09 sent.3-07-09 sent with additions
Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded that the bottom line and point is, that this residency spent over $30,000.00,documented,and a lot of time consuming effort,documented,trying to stop all this,while putting up with all this, regardless of whatever other plan there was to 'manage' this and try to disregard those two points.
Cornering and locking in a residency to escalating atty' s fees to counteract the S/Ws and their law enfor is a disdainful and unethical tactic,a tactic not missed,expressed, and used by the S/Ws and their Atty.,that it would just be too expensive to try and stop them with their backup
From the beginning,ethics was not considered,flimsy excuses were used to keep this bizarre situation going,incompetent and inappropriate actions were used, and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson approval continued it.
This tenacious harassment stop, enabling a main player in this problem to receive Keeper Days' recognition without the possibility of a PR rukus by thr S/Ws in the middle of it, is inconclusive and insufficient and again tenacious.
No one in LHP would be complacent about this
Thank you,Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP.
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2008 was a rough year compounded by the Chief covering for the S/Ws after all the other unfair backup they had gotten.
The S/Ws got in an intolerable YEAR long Violation without worrying about being fined.
Luckily for this residency,Det.L.Hawkins got his award and there was a harassment stop for that.
If anyone is grumbling about daring to complain about all this,please be reminded that this was financed by taxpayers.
It is not as if the S/Ws hired their own private security to harass,stalk,etc.,with backup and protection.They just called Com.Lias.and Det.L.Hawkins to get it,and unfortunately later,the Chief.
And,oh yes, -that other little point,-that this residency spent over $30,000.00 to try and stop it.
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3-12-09.
Mayor F.Schorr, Re:2008.
Please be aware that I had no idea that constantly talking to a Chief of Police about a problem was not 'official law enfor. work', that it was merely a 'containment policy' while ineffectively trying to cover this up.No wonder there is never any 'paperwork'.And please be reminded that while that was going on, this residency was still deliberately and intolerably and daily being harassed,with responsible instated legal action to stop it.There was also always the annoying prospect of having to 'dumb down' to discuss this as everything was discussed and done on such an unavoidable 'dumbed down' level,besides the double talk,from the beginning and continuing.Exactly how many people with brains stopped trying to interceed? It would have been a lot easier to use this residency for all those years in a normal way and not spend over $30,000.00 and a lot of time and effort over this but,I guess that would have been too logical in this chosen and accepted venue of operation. Thank you.
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If the Chief is saying during this 'containment period',he was asking the S/Ws to turn off the deliberately made harassing repetitive cds,then why are there no reports for the Violations process?That was an intolerable, extensively used YEAR long Violation that had to be put up with until Det.Hawkins got his award.That,long with more of the S/Ws' 'think' episodes, etc.,etc.
3-19-09. There is still a lot of expressed discontent with having to put up with all that and spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop it.The Det.L.Hawkins award situation was a little too 'A.I.G.' in theory,but the harassment stop is still very, very appreciated.
3-21-09.approx.2P.M.Lori and John come into their backyard loud talking and yell talking,audible into this house so you have to notice they are there, probably the point.John stands in their backyard,directly faces this residency and smirks. Lori sits in a chair,smirks,directly faces this residency and holds up objects,as if she is posing for pictures.Mindset.I don't know if it was because they saw me looking out through a closed tinted window when I heard them or if it was their in general have to do something to or at this residency as their standard patterned lifestyle.They got away with all that,all the way through 2008 with an Injunction and they know it and flaunt it.So did law enfor.and they know it too.Both would probably do it again and more.That's what the Injunction was for.
3-25-09.Mayor Schorr,
There is still a lot of discontent over putting up with all this and over the $30,000.00 trying to stop it.
The civil action was grueling and unnecessary.
After a year and a half of intolerable harassment and stalking,there was nothing else this residency could do.
The city could argue that it wasn't it's fault that the S/Ws initially hired an Atty.who could play with the system better unil this residency hired an exceptional second Atty.to stop it.
But that civil action would not have been necessary if law enfor.had handled this properly and had not kept it up once the suit was filed.
That stands regardless of what an E.Bruce Johnson type of Atty.would retort.
The Det.L.Hawkins award was a little too 'AIG' in theory.
But at least there was a very,very still appreciated harassment stop.
The mindset is still obviously bad next door.
The S/Ws and their law enfor.had years and years.The harassment stop has only been a few months.It could revert.That's what the Injunction was for. Thank you.
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3-28-09.LHP Magazine,April 09,pg.48,ran an article by a local attorney about hiring an atty.,with important,useful infor.
As already explained,the first atty.hired in this situation was not the right one to stand up to the S/Ws,their law enfor. and their atty.
I called that law firm and asked what atty.should I use in the situation of spending over $30,000.00 to try and stop all this,which was not just going to be left standing as is,assistance with the Injunction violation process,and explaining the harassment stop with the award and the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson argument.
It is good the LHP Magazine is publishing helpful infor.
4-03-09.The reply from Kim Douglas Sherman,Esq.,Sherman Law Offices,was that the Statute of Limitations was up. (?)
The police protected harassment and stalking,with an instated Injunction,did not stop until about a few months ago.
City suits are retroactive back five years and I was afraid of losing the year 2004.
As I initially stated,emails,that there would be approx.5-6 Atty.E.Bruce Johnson type replies,each costing about 2- $3,000.00 to counteract.
I'm glad this one is known.
The least expensive way is to just contact attys.in any way affiliated to LHP and ask them to take the case.It's better than filing and refiling and waiting for technicalities and maneuvers.That was already done once trying to stop this.
At this point, it is still good to be the S/Ws and Det.L.Hawkins in LHP.And it is very expensive and hard if you were not.
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4-04-09.The S/Ws are becoming antagonistic which is unnerving.
4-04-09.Afternoon.Mr Starr and Lori sat in ther backyard,yell talking and complaining,over an hour,noicable and audible into this house, Mr.Starr sitting facing this residency and continually pointing at it.He always did encourage Lori.Lori did not face this residency.No one was in this backyard.
Then Lori stayed outside playing music and noise sounds,softly but noticable by the up and down volumes,for over an hour.
This is a slippery slope,it never just stays with this,and just playing music was never the objective.
Lori is very capable of finding and using any sort of device to harass,especially now one she can just hold in her fist so it doesn't look like she is setting up equipment to do it. She started out with made tapes,a radio,and a clown horn. website audio date.
2008 was an intolerable year long violation with that blasting deliberately made repetitive cd technique to harass,with an instated Injunction to prevent it,just reinforcing the S/Ws' mindset,-along with the other 'think' situations-,with the S/Ws protected and covered by the Chief, who is probably now saying that 2008 is 'in the past',nothing is 'written',and it is probaby expected that any atty. friendly to LHP can come up with a legal maneuver expensive to counteract to keep protecting the S/Ws and their law enfor.which both are aware of and probably expect.
The website will always have to be up for protection.The blogspot with the infor. for the website is now accessible by clicking on BLOG on the homepage.It's not finished or completely organized.
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4-05-09.It appears that Lori is already 'forgetting' to bring her latest device inside with her leaving it on when no one is outside.This is a slippery slope no matter how low or short it is right now.The S/Ws always knew what they were doing and how to get away with it.
4-06-09.8:45 A.M.Andy and I are in the driveway,north side,putting things into the car. Mr.Starr pulled out of his driveway proceeding out on the wrong side of the road starring at us and giving us the finger.It's a little too obvious with all the law enfor.attention the S/Ws always get that no one has told him to stop this.If there is an accident,there is no excuse for not preventing this.And this is not fair to drivers entering 35th Ct.from 28th Ave.They don't expect it.
4-06-09.4:30P.M.Lori is in their backyard playing regular music,noticable audible into this house,but at varying volumes of soft about one hour.She then increased the voulume and went inside leaving it on outside for about 1/2 hr.,with the same segment repeated with a high pitched 'fife' sound. Mindset. She is good with musical devices and sounds. At this point after the past,anything repetitive,even softly,is intolerable. She knows what she is doing.The S/Ws always knew what they were doing.Their point is they can and will do something and are very brazen about flaunting that,also their point..
This is a predictable patterned slippery slope.
It was hoped that this was all over and wouldn't have to be dealt with any more as a constant,but the mindset is still too strong.
The deliberate,repetitive,made cd technique with Lori coming out to restart it over and over,blasting and and at regular volumes, was extensively used to harass for all of 2008 even with an instated Injunction to prevent it.The S/Ws violated every part of the Sett.Agree.It will probably now take a second civil suit to circumvent LHP's handling of the S/Ws and the Sett.Agree.They need to be fined for prevention.
The 'award ' period is obviously over.
It's a good thing the website is up.That way no one can say none of it really happened or that this residency didn't really put up with all of it or didn't really spend over $30,000.00 to try to stop it.
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4-08-09.Afternoon.I had been sitting on the patio near this garage.Mr Starr and Lori came outside to clean the pool pump filter with the hose staying as close to this residency as they could get up to the interior fence,gate,and between the garages,streatching it to about 1 hr.loud talking not yell talking the entire time.Mr Starr said he is 'fighting this and is going back to court' and tells Lori something about not going near the post.'the wires'. Lori says it's a good thing she is wearing waterproof shoes because of the 'sparking '.At least they didn't get patrol cars over here,again. Mindset. Everything is the same there as it was during the three patrol car visit over the 'think electrocution' incident,see emails,as it is impossible to do any normal work there.
-Note Added:I had just been cleaning and had put bags of used Christmas light strands and some loose cut wires by the garbage cans at the back of this garage, patio area.I don't know if this 'filter cleaning hour' was specifically done right then because of that.It's hard to tell with the S/Ws.They were not outside,in backyard all day at any other time except for that and their usual daily turning the pool pump on and off in between the garages routine,they have never gotten a timer,and John's usual entering and exiting between the garages.Mr.Starr did loud talk that point to Lori while they were out there.Again,mindset.-She doesn't need any encouragement or help.She has been and is cunning,determined,and capable enough by her own means,and has for years been telling the others how and what to do..
I was a little worried about Mr.Starr holding onto and bending the green mesh fence as it was never meant to support anyone,just to keep the S/Ws from trespassing and harassing when nothing else,even an injunction,stopped them.Lori did not come outside with any cd or devices techniques.She is capable of not doing that.It just wasn't the S/Ws' objective.The entire year of 2008 was the S/Ws' objective with that and they knew they could get away with it and so far did.
This are not picky issues.It shows a continual pattern and mindset.The really overt harassment and stalking should have been handled within six months.There still has been no plausible explanation for all of this except the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse.
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4-09.Reposition.Blogspot needs chronological organization.Confusing to those who didn't get the emails streatched out over a year.
Explanation addition for website:
Early in 05,Atty.R.Yates gave this residency's first atty.,who wasn't very good and had pretty much stopped working,a document instructing him to have it signed, to the effect that both parties would adhere and obey LHP's laws and ordinances as settlement,thus giving the S/Ws free reign to continue harassing and stalking with law enfor.backup which was the reason for filing a suit in the first place,and this was refused by this residency.Atty.Yates knew what he was doing.Out of court settlement negotiations were further complicated by the S/Ws' demands and screaming demands for monetary damages and the continuation of their countersuit for taping them while they were screaming,threatening, trespassing,harassing, and stalking with law enfor.protection,this counter suit not legally feasible but still leverage and necessary to deal with and would cost to counteract.
This was another one of the S/Ws' most ferocious and terrifying periods,they thinking our civil defense was weak,law enfor.nil,and Lori was screaming and threatening that the laws had been changed and she could now shoot someone in the back, and she was screaming and threatening this while trespassing between the garages and on the north driveway's side,let alone along the backyard interior fence,along with everything else.
That's when I decided to go to the Commissioners,the results of that already explained.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.
The second Attorney was good and his work,Injunction./Sett.Agree.,should have stopped and prevented all this,but LHP was very detemined to keep on covering up and protectng the S/Ws,all the way through 2008 when the Chief,aware since 05, became the S/Ws' major advocate,giving really lame excuses for their past and present behaviors and disregarding the Sett.Agree. LHP is definitely stalker's paradise and if you were salaried or financed by LHP,you worked for the S/Ws. They got/get what they want.
Insert.Reposition to middle.'Think rifle'.Mark Starr had tried that 'think rifle'thing which was very upsetting because he was yelling about it in their backyard,yelling two people were over here with guns and I didn't know who he called and I was home alone.Mark had a regular routine of calling and lying to law enfor.and agencies and would sooner or later get a patrol car here for something and then he would gloat.Nothing happened here that day.Insert date.9-06? I don't know how that was handled.Mr Starr was outside in their backyard with him when Mark was yelling that and that may have had something to do with it,because Mr.Starr wouldn't stop the big picture,but he was aware of legal civil difficulties with Mark's over the top lying and police calls,loud family discussions and arguments over it.Mr.Starr was floored when Mark yell talked he was just going to tell the judge at the scheduled hearing,postponed, he had lied about Andy or me or Andy and me trying to run him over.He had already admitted it to them and their atty.and they still screamed at us about it for years when they knew it wasn't true because they could. -Lori had had loud screaming fights with Mark over this yelling he had gotten her in trouble over that even though she did the same thing,only better,and she still continued to scream at,bang the fence,threaten,and taunt us about that because she wanted to do that in general and in LHP she could.-Lori would come out and scream and bang on the fence about that while she was yelling about him lying about it inside the house so loud you could hear it in this backyard before she came out,with the rest of them home. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era.
His lying was/had become too disorganized and then he would just admit he had lied as there were no consequences,just this residency putting up with it for years.The Injunction was supposed to stop that.At the same time,Lori was always screaming and threatening graphic descriptions with weapons.6-14-04.audio website.Lori is actually screaming, 'get me my f-----gun!' audible from inside their house. Hawkins/Oh/com.Lias.protected and covered up for the S/Ws, and in 2008, the Chief,aware of this 05,became a major advocate for the S/Ws even while they were extensively blasting this residency with the repetitive cd technique which went on for over a year,a deliberate violation.
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For website explanations:Reposition to middle.After over 10 months of fierce targeted harassment and stalking,check date, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era,a suit was filed in Small Claims Court,audio tapes submitted,and at the venue hearing, the judge kept pushing and pushing for me to take the case to 'The People's Court' tv show,which had already contacted me and tried.The last thing I was going to do was fly out of here and go on television with these people to stop this,and I then thought it was the most inane approach,but years later, after the way this was handled, it probably would have been a more sane and more logical way and a less expensive way to stop this.
The case would not be handled there,wrong venue,and the judge told me that then and that I was in the wrong court directly in front of Atty.Yates,Lori, and John.After over another seven months,check dates, of intense targeted harassment and stalking,there was no choice but to proceed to Circuit Court.
Atty.Yates then started filing and refiling, as technique,that the case had already been tried and dismissed in another court as if it had been lost and this had to be continually counteracted with filings.He was even brazen enough to wave the paperwork around in deposition,telling the court reporter to note it, and then defiantly asking me,'What was this?'and I told him exactly on what pages he had lied about it to the judge in the civil suit filings and why did I have to be so exact in all my replies to him when he had already filed paperwork lying to the judge,and he changd the subject.All this was going on while the S/Ws were still screaming, threatening, banging, trespassing, etc., etc.,etc.,because in LHP,they could.This was really bad while they were trespassing in between the the garages and out to the north side near the driveway let alone at the interior backyard fence.It was really hard for anyone getting in and out of vehicles in this driveway,even with children,with the screaming and threatening,trespassing done at the same time.
NEW:added 4-28-09. One time,Andy's daughter had pulled into this driveway with the grandchildren,walked through this garage into this backyard and Lori actually walked screaming and threatening from the north side driveway trespassing in between the garages to their backyard and interior fence and continued screaming and threatening at the same time and pace.This was during the intense Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era and there was no one to call to stop this.Children were not immune.The S/Ws had just taken approx.4-5 ft.between the garages extending north to 35th Ct. and used it and mowed it as if it was their own.This was intoleable,before they targeted this residency and anyone on it,because their horiffic family fights were esculating with the screaming and gate banging at any time as they fought with each other there entering and exiting.
Once they targeted this residency, it was worse as they just stood there trespassing,screaming and threatening,etc.at lengths and there was no way to stop this and this was their closest proximity to harass this residency,There was also one part of the interior fence to stand behind and harass closest to this residency and that was where they did it.The S/Ws also called the police when we tried mowing the remaining 4 ft.of this property saying it harssed them,and when we stopped trying to mow it because they waited to see when we did so they could come out and scream at and harass us and call the police,they called the code board to complain that strip of lawn wasn't mowed and code enfor.would drive over here and cite this residency.This was a very bad harassment problem for years-,extending over 5 years through the 05 input-.. Website audio explanations:There is some of this on the website audio.Insert dates.
Det.L.Hawkins was both law enfor.and code enfor.at that time so the S/Ws really had their bases covered.
Det.Hawkins got a nice PR writeup in a local newspaper when he stopped woking for code enfor.,it being explained that he needed to spend more time on regular law enfor.He was very good at his PR and during this time he got a lot of it,the Deerfield Observer being especially accommodating.
This situation has already been explained but it goes nowwhere as the S/Ws always had/have law enfor. making lame excuses for them,straight to the Chief,through all 2008.
The Injunction/Sett.Agree.was supposed to stop that trespassing, harassing, stalking situation in that area along with the rest,any possibility of excuse issues with 'eminent domain' nullified by it as the S/Ws had just grabbed that property for years to use and to trespass,harass and stalk.All issues had to be discussed as the S/Ws' law enfor.had been so bizarre.After the Injunction,law enfor. just continued the instated Hawkins policies of covering for the S/Ws,saying that the property line' had not tbeen defined' when then an attempt was made to finally stop them from trespassing and trespassing and harassing, with a fence there.The S/Ws were finally disputing 3 inches and once again the real issues were ignored.Code Enfor. finally said the property line was defined when it was time to pay to a have tree taken down.and the S/Ws had trepassed and harassed there for years,but it was now defined as this resideny's property.The S/Ws did not want to pay to have the tree taken down and took of pictues of it to give to code enfor.This residency paid to have the tree taken down,and again the real issues were ignored.The S/Ws also got a lot of patrol cars over here trying to stop the attempt to stop them from trespassing and harssing there with a fence,-with an Injunction, fence permit,and survey by this residency.
One notable S/Ws' called patrol car visit was by Ofc.Swijit,04or05,Apr.orMay?-06, who had been involved with this from the beginning.This time he did not scream directly into my face as on the day the picture was taken,"about" on the website.This time I explained the situation about the instated Injunction and he called the station and was told,I was standing near him,and he told me 'the property line had not been defined'.Who told him that? I left a message for Chief Licata over this as I was in constant contact with him and code enfor.during this time.
These situations were complained about while they were happening and have been explained in the emails, but it is very easy for anyone who did not have to put up with it or pay to try and stop it to make lame excuses about it.
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Note:Website Audio Explan.insert dates:While Atty.Yates was busy tying up in the civil suit to stop all this Lori was busy making tapes set to background music of her talking,taunting,and threatening of how badly the suit would be lost,playing them over and over for hours for months in their backyard for her convenience so she did not have to always come outside, backyard and at interior fence,to do it herself,although she still did do that for hours without the tapes but also came outside at times to do it along with the tapes for double effect.There is some of this on the audio website,insert dates.The S/Ws also used this made tape technique for other ways to harass.The Injunction was supposed to stop this but this was extensively used the entire year of 2008 as the Chief became the S/Ws' advocate after Com.Lias.had done it for years,no reasonable explanation given for all this except any atty.could be grabbed to say it was ok and there was no recourse for this residency.
After the 05 input:Sgt.J.Vaccaro had wrongly trained a younger ofc.,misinforming him and not telling him the truth about this mess even though,and he had had years working with Det.L.Hawkins and the Ohs during this, advice given that my suit would be thrown out when it got before the judge,while I was on the phone with him,even with the filings available then that Atty.Yates had filed to have the suit thrown out at least twice and the judge refused. It was very very wrong to try to use younger newer ofcs. to try and cover up the mess the older ofcs.had made and it was really not even logical as the S/Ws were still way out of control.The judge was not naive, he had watched this case for years,and probably never expected the city/law enfor. to just disregard the Sett./Agree.
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CURRENT4-25-09.There has been no overt harassment by the S/Ws for a short perod of time.However the mindset is still noticably strong,determined,and unnerving as Lori storms back and forth between the two residencies slamming both doors and loudly complaining and yelling inside about this,and Mr. Starr comimg outside to sit and face this residency glaring hoping to make eye contact and he did catch me off guard two days ago when I tried to get near this pool and didn't know he was doing that again,and they do sit outside and deliberately yell talk,and Lori is still very inventive and capable of producing some sort of device to harass given any slip of an opportunity.
They will probably continue to try something else as they had over 9 yrs.of police protected stalking and harassment, 51/2 yrs. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.and over three and one half years with the Chief covering for them even with an Injunction.It would have been so much easier if this was stopped after the 05 input and the rest did not have to be put up with,especially with them getting more years of reinforcement to counteract.And, it should have initially been stopped in a minimum of 6 months anyway.
If they do try, the website and blogspot are there for referral,easier accessibility,and future protection, and will probably have to be for some time,and documents are immediately available.
They may not try to branch out and bully other people in other places instead,as during this,confidently propped up by being able to bully in LHP with protection,especially John,as that does not go well in other places,loud family arguments and discussions,and they cannot get law enfor.protection while they do it as they could here and there is the possibility of retaliation from people who just will not put up with them.
As stated,their strong mindset to do something is still very unnerving and this is a very protective and opportunistic city for them
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4-16-09.Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded:
There has been no reimbursement or damages.
Commander M.Oh is still working.
The Chief spent over three years covering for the S/Ws and dismissing an Injunction/Sett.Agree.to stop them.
The S/Ws' mindset is still unnerving and determined.
This residency will not be sold.It could not be leased out, as with this known documented existing condition,tenants could withhold rent payments if the S/Ws and their law enfor.acted up,and there was a high probability they would and did,things were dismissed as not happening,anything 'thought' of as an excuse, nothing 'written', and any atty.could be grabbed to say this residency had no recourse.This complaint was made years ago,along with the rest.Det. Hawkins was smart enough to get out with an award large enough to use as PR to nullify any complaints about the mess he made.
Thank you.
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4-25-09. The following e mail was received from Ofc.Mike Rowan.
He was the responding Ofc.with Ofc.M.Riemer,two patrol cars,on 9-09-08, when Lori called in and lied to the police to try to counteract my complaining to the Chief about the S/Ws' intolerable nine months' long violation of the Injunction./Sett.Agree.which law enfor.disregarded.
After that two patrol car visit,with Lori's/S/Ws' strong intent to continue evident,and the Ofcs.not informed, Ofcs. were sent legal documents and emails for infor.and prevention.
That call was a turning point in tryng to stop all this.See blogspot and emails.
Emailing was the only thing that worked in LHP.
At least this Ofc.has the option of just deleting.
This residency did not have that option or any option to stop the S/Ws' harassment and stalking with law enfor.backup and protection.
Thank you.
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From: Michael Rowan To: "aseahorse" Subject: RE: various additions,explan.for website Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:17:48 +0000
PLEASE TAKE ME OFF OF YOU E-MAIL. I DON' T OPEN ANYTHING FROM YOU. I JUST DELETE IT THANK YOU "-
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To Be Sent: To Whom It May Concern:
What is the City's positioning on the Injunction/Settlement Agreement? The problem is explaining it it to anyone who may want to visit here,and there is no one left who wants to come here and will probably have to put up with something. There is no credibility left.
2008 was the year long final straw with the S/Ws figuring out how to still harass daily with police protection. Now,even five minutes of that deliberate repetitive technique couldn't be tolerated.And that was done with company, without company, retaliation for having company, and just in general to have a steady harassment going on.
There is absolutely no point in asking the Chief about this or in even talking to him about any of this,as he made it very very clear he covers for the S/Ws with whatever it takes, seemingly oblivious that this would cause any resulting criticism,as if he was insulated.My last phone conversation with him was on 10-27-09 when he was still adamantly defending the S/Ws and he did not return my calls after the 10-29-08 incident.There has been no more contact with him to date.There also has been no contact with anyone in the city since that incident as all went back to the Chief who controlled it,except for the sent emails.The only thing to do was to email as defense and to finish the website to stop the misinformation and lying and to try to stop the harassment.
A more clearly defined explanation would help,although I am really hesitant about even asking for it and somehow rocking the boat as these months without that specific harassment have been too good and there is no way of tolerating that ever again.It's just a matter of knowing what the situation is to tell any potential visitors.This residency is still not used in any normal way,situation always having to be explained,but it is one hundred percent better than daily harassment with police backup, and that is really appreciated and has been expressed as such.
Can the S/Ws just start up again with police protection? What is the City's position on the Injunction/Sett.Agree.for protection against this? The S/Ws' mindset is still very bad.They will continue if given any avenue.
The question regarding the City's positioning on the Injunction/Sett.Agree was asked quite some time ago.See emails.
Thank you.
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Sent to Deerfield Observer editorial page.Published partly with editor's addition on 5-07-09.
5-01-09.Re:LHP. Commander Mike Oh should be reminded of the six year stalking and harassment situation and the following three year period with a disregarded Injunction in LHP, all on his watch. Commander M.Oh seems to have a continual problem negating the existance of this or his participation with it.He should not be still working. It would have been less costly and less time consuming to just pay him to stay home.
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cc:The Deerfield Observer
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Note:The 5-01-09 editorial email to the Deerfield Observer was not noticed as published until after the 5-07-09 general emails were all already sent.
There was no expectation that that editorial letter would be published.I had contacted the Deerfield Observer before when I was really desperate for some assistance,the first time before the website was up and only the audio cassettes were availble,and after the website was up but not finished with necessary infor.Then editor,I believe,Mr.Rick Green,told me the story was not editorial but maybe I could possibly resubmit it as regular news.I did not feel the Deerfield Observer was a viable option for assistance and did not,as things were still really intense at that point and I felt it would just be a waste of time.
However, after the Det.Hawkins' Keeper Days' award,I did send a letter to the editor never expecting it to be published and it wasn't.I will repost that editorial letter sent 2-23,26-09 to the editorialdesk and to ww.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ 2008-09 link to www.lighthousepointflorida.net/is now available by clicking BLOG on the website homepage for easier accessability.It is not finished and needs to be reorganized.All final editing is done on the blogspot.This was put up as a necessity for referral,easier accessibility and future prevention.
5-07-09.Lighthouse Point News.Re:May/June 2009.Pg.14.
'Check This Out And Know What Is Happening In Our Community'
LHP residents should be made aware there has been extensive stalking and harassment in LHP. Perhaps Chief R.Licata could address stalking and harassment issues in your next issue as his paricipation with this was lenghty and his expertise interesting. Thank you.
Addition:Perhaps both Com.M.Oh and Chief Licata could address stalking and harassing issues and what to do about them instead of putting up with it for over nine years,three with an Injunction,and emailing over 30 people over a year for help.
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5-09-09 6 P.M.Andy and I,no company, have been trying to use the pool,late afternoon and evenings.The S/Ws have a newer high pitched 'fife' cd left on outside with none of them outside with it. It is not loud,but at this point,anything repetitive is intolerable.It is also that they want to make the point that they will still do something,which is unnerving . Mindset.This is a slippery slope.It was never just about playing music.And please be reminded that the entire year of 2008 was a horiffic example of made repetitive harassment cds,a violation,and for half that time, really blasted.The S/Ws know what they are doing.What was the point of protecting them from injunction/sett.agee.violations, anyway?
This was a deliberate technique used for years,especially extensively and deliberately used in all of 2008.
The harassment stop has only been for few months. The S/Ws are not going to quit easily.They are very innovative wih devices to do this.
They already demonstrated they were injunction proof in LHP.Their major advocate,the Chief,2008,didn't have to put up with any of this,just making lame excuses for it and for the past.Who was advising him?
I don't think at this point the S/Ws have or thought of a newer different harassment technique to move on to so they will probably try to recontinue this one.It is a violation.The S/Ws violated every part of the Sett.Agree. loudly and noticably with help.
Besides putting up with all of it,it is very unnerving that they will constantly keep trying to do something as their nature/lifestyle.The mindset is still obvious.They got a lot of unexplanable reinforcement.
Just because fence slamming,trespassing,screaming,threatening, blasting made repetitive cds, etc., etc., etc., allowed in LHP for years, are now described as 'in the past',doesn't mean it was any less tolerated. It just reinforced the mindset which could have been deterred if anything sensibly was done.
We may try again to have company,with children,as always meeting at someone else's residency or restaurants to avoid all this is very very inconvenient.Everyone who came here was targeted.
Again,now the made repetitive cd technique needs to be addressed.I don't think the S/Ws just 'forgot 'not to do it or just 'forgot' and left it on outside..
They knew at the Sett.Agree.signing,it was for prevention as it was the last issue discussed,as it had been used for years mixed in with everything else.I don't think they just 'forgot' that either.The S/Ws always knew/know what they were/are doing and that they could get away with it.
And then still, there was the entire intolerable year of 2008 because the S/Ws could and did get away with it.Within LHP, you really have to complain and complain and repeat and repeat,as the S/Ws have always had law enfor.
It would be nice if there could be a time when no time had to be wasted on the S/Ws and no attention had to be given to them.Meanwhile,they are still determined and confident It just depends on how much help they get to continue,and they have always managed to get a lot of help.
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Add to website- middle? At the beginning years of all this,I was outside at the backyard patio furniture between the garage and the pool,went into the house for awhile,and came back out. Right in the area where I had been sitting and walking,there was a cut rat's head,cut not uneven severed as if from an animal fight or a trap.I often wondered how it got there.I don't think sparing animals carry utensils.At the time I just let it go as the other harassment problems were really intense,but a neighbor,veteran,who had been trying to use his backyard and pool and stop all that before and after this residency was targeted, was alarmed and did not doubt it could have been thrown over from next door.
This veteran was taking care of his father,a WW 2 veteran,mentioned in Tom Brokow's book, the house purchased for that reason.It didn't matter.The S/Ws were more important than anyone else and they continued. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies.
For years before the S/Ws targeted this residency both Ohs knew about this as they had front row seats at the Thompson's,later C.O.P.volunteers, residency next door who were really complaining after years of this,by then, 1996? insert date, about the S/Ws as they couldn't use their backyard and didn't want to hear any more of it,and the S/Ws were blaming them for a police call about them that someone else had made.They sold to the veterans' family.The S/Ws continued and then directly targeted this residency starting,Dec.1999. That family sold to a working F.B.I.agent thinking he could probably handle this.He tried,called the police,and couldn't,already explained in the emails,insert date.The S/Ws and their law enfor.were unstoppable. The only thing left for this residency,after a lot of time and expense,to do was to put up a website and email and email and email and then it was it award time again,this one really big with a lot of PR. (?)
5-13-09.For the past few days,the S/Ws have been really slamming the gate at the interior fence noticable because louder than usual and storming back and forth between the two houses,with John glaring for eye contact as he goes back and forth between the garages,on his side inside the fence for that.What are they so mad about? They got everything they wanted.
5-16-09.Lori and Mr. Starr 'loud talk'outside and in their pool,about 1 hr.audible into this house,Lori really complaining about how nothing about this situation is true.Mindset.Unnerving mindset.
5-28-09 Mr. Starr still,as regular route,is entering N.E. 28th Ave.from the wrong side of the street.Again, this is not fair to drivers heading north on 28th Ave.turning right entering N.E. 35 Ct.as they don't expect him to be coming up through there when they turn right,especially work or service vehicals.There have already been two near misses.With all the over the top personal attention the S/Ws have gotten through the years,it seems remote that no one could not have told him to stop.The Chief's article on speeding was informative,but he should also be paying attenion to what his favored client has been doing as a regular pattern.I hope the finale to this is not an accident right in front of this house with the situation described as no one 'knew' this was going on for over a year.This is not to just get him a ticket. It is to get him to stop because it is not safe.-even if he 'thinks' it is ok. Andy and I were both in the driveway near this garage door when he did it again today hugging this easement,which surprised us as we did not know he was getting into his car.At least he didn't look directly at us and give us the finger.I think there is a juvenile belligerency to this because there was a complaint made against this,loud audible angry family discussion months ago, and you just don't complain about them. That is not the issue.Thank you.
5-30-09.approx.11:30A.M. Mr.Starr drove out again on the wrong side of the road really hugging the grass easement on the north side of this residency,this visible from this north dining room window.We were not outside.
6-01-09.Mr. Starr again leaves and enters N.E.28 Ave.on the wrong side of the road,visible from this north dining room window.8:45 A.M.
The police protected harassment and stalking,with an instated Injunction,did not stop until about a few months ago.
City suits are retroactive back five years and I was afraid of losing the year 2004.
As I initially stated,emails,that there would be approx.5-6 Atty.E.Bruce Johnson type replies,each costing about 2- $3,000.00 to counteract.
I'm glad this one is known.
The least expensive way is to just contact attys.in any way affiliated to LHP and ask them to take the case.It's better than filing and refiling and waiting for technicalities and maneuvers.That was already done once trying to stop this.
At this point, it is still good to be the S/Ws and Det.L.Hawkins in LHP.And it is very expensive and hard if you were not.
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4-04-09.The S/Ws are becoming antagonistic which is unnerving.
4-04-09.Afternoon.Mr Starr and Lori sat in ther backyard,yell talking and complaining,over an hour,noicable and audible into this house, Mr.Starr sitting facing this residency and continually pointing at it.He always did encourage Lori.Lori did not face this residency.No one was in this backyard.
Then Lori stayed outside playing music and noise sounds,softly but noticable by the up and down volumes,for over an hour.
This is a slippery slope,it never just stays with this,and just playing music was never the objective.
Lori is very capable of finding and using any sort of device to harass,especially now one she can just hold in her fist so it doesn't look like she is setting up equipment to do it. She started out with made tapes,a radio,and a clown horn. website audio date.
2008 was an intolerable year long violation with that blasting deliberately made repetitive cd technique to harass,with an instated Injunction to prevent it,just reinforcing the S/Ws' mindset,-along with the other 'think' situations-,with the S/Ws protected and covered by the Chief, who is probably now saying that 2008 is 'in the past',nothing is 'written',and it is probaby expected that any atty. friendly to LHP can come up with a legal maneuver expensive to counteract to keep protecting the S/Ws and their law enfor.which both are aware of and probably expect.
The website will always have to be up for protection.The blogspot with the infor. for the website is now accessible by clicking on BLOG on the homepage.It's not finished or completely organized.
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4-05-09.It appears that Lori is already 'forgetting' to bring her latest device inside with her leaving it on when no one is outside.This is a slippery slope no matter how low or short it is right now.The S/Ws always knew what they were doing and how to get away with it.
4-06-09.8:45 A.M.Andy and I are in the driveway,north side,putting things into the car. Mr.Starr pulled out of his driveway proceeding out on the wrong side of the road starring at us and giving us the finger.It's a little too obvious with all the law enfor.attention the S/Ws always get that no one has told him to stop this.If there is an accident,there is no excuse for not preventing this.And this is not fair to drivers entering 35th Ct.from 28th Ave.They don't expect it.
4-06-09.4:30P.M.Lori is in their backyard playing regular music,noticable audible into this house,but at varying volumes of soft about one hour.She then increased the voulume and went inside leaving it on outside for about 1/2 hr.,with the same segment repeated with a high pitched 'fife' sound. Mindset. She is good with musical devices and sounds. At this point after the past,anything repetitive,even softly,is intolerable. She knows what she is doing.The S/Ws always knew what they were doing.Their point is they can and will do something and are very brazen about flaunting that,also their point..
This is a predictable patterned slippery slope.
It was hoped that this was all over and wouldn't have to be dealt with any more as a constant,but the mindset is still too strong.
The deliberate,repetitive,made cd technique with Lori coming out to restart it over and over,blasting and and at regular volumes, was extensively used to harass for all of 2008 even with an instated Injunction to prevent it.The S/Ws violated every part of the Sett.Agree.It will probably now take a second civil suit to circumvent LHP's handling of the S/Ws and the Sett.Agree.They need to be fined for prevention.
The 'award ' period is obviously over.
It's a good thing the website is up.That way no one can say none of it really happened or that this residency didn't really put up with all of it or didn't really spend over $30,000.00 to try to stop it.
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4-08-09.Afternoon.I had been sitting on the patio near this garage.Mr Starr and Lori came outside to clean the pool pump filter with the hose staying as close to this residency as they could get up to the interior fence,gate,and between the garages,streatching it to about 1 hr.loud talking not yell talking the entire time.Mr Starr said he is 'fighting this and is going back to court' and tells Lori something about not going near the post.'the wires'. Lori says it's a good thing she is wearing waterproof shoes because of the 'sparking '.At least they didn't get patrol cars over here,again. Mindset. Everything is the same there as it was during the three patrol car visit over the 'think electrocution' incident,see emails,as it is impossible to do any normal work there.
-Note Added:I had just been cleaning and had put bags of used Christmas light strands and some loose cut wires by the garbage cans at the back of this garage, patio area.I don't know if this 'filter cleaning hour' was specifically done right then because of that.It's hard to tell with the S/Ws.They were not outside,in backyard all day at any other time except for that and their usual daily turning the pool pump on and off in between the garages routine,they have never gotten a timer,and John's usual entering and exiting between the garages.Mr.Starr did loud talk that point to Lori while they were out there.Again,mindset.-She doesn't need any encouragement or help.She has been and is cunning,determined,and capable enough by her own means,and has for years been telling the others how and what to do..
I was a little worried about Mr.Starr holding onto and bending the green mesh fence as it was never meant to support anyone,just to keep the S/Ws from trespassing and harassing when nothing else,even an injunction,stopped them.Lori did not come outside with any cd or devices techniques.She is capable of not doing that.It just wasn't the S/Ws' objective.The entire year of 2008 was the S/Ws' objective with that and they knew they could get away with it and so far did.
This are not picky issues.It shows a continual pattern and mindset.The really overt harassment and stalking should have been handled within six months.There still has been no plausible explanation for all of this except the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse.
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4-09.Reposition.Blogspot needs chronological organization.Confusing to those who didn't get the emails streatched out over a year.
Explanation addition for website:
Early in 05,Atty.R.Yates gave this residency's first atty.,who wasn't very good and had pretty much stopped working,a document instructing him to have it signed, to the effect that both parties would adhere and obey LHP's laws and ordinances as settlement,thus giving the S/Ws free reign to continue harassing and stalking with law enfor.backup which was the reason for filing a suit in the first place,and this was refused by this residency.Atty.Yates knew what he was doing.Out of court settlement negotiations were further complicated by the S/Ws' demands and screaming demands for monetary damages and the continuation of their countersuit for taping them while they were screaming,threatening, trespassing,harassing, and stalking with law enfor.protection,this counter suit not legally feasible but still leverage and necessary to deal with and would cost to counteract.
This was another one of the S/Ws' most ferocious and terrifying periods,they thinking our civil defense was weak,law enfor.nil,and Lori was screaming and threatening that the laws had been changed and she could now shoot someone in the back, and she was screaming and threatening this while trespassing between the garages and on the north driveway's side,let alone along the backyard interior fence,along with everything else.
That's when I decided to go to the Commissioners,the results of that already explained.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era.
The second Attorney was good and his work,Injunction./Sett.Agree.,should have stopped and prevented all this,but LHP was very detemined to keep on covering up and protectng the S/Ws,all the way through 2008 when the Chief,aware since 05, became the S/Ws' major advocate,giving really lame excuses for their past and present behaviors and disregarding the Sett.Agree. LHP is definitely stalker's paradise and if you were salaried or financed by LHP,you worked for the S/Ws. They got/get what they want.
Insert.Reposition to middle.'Think rifle'.Mark Starr had tried that 'think rifle'thing which was very upsetting because he was yelling about it in their backyard,yelling two people were over here with guns and I didn't know who he called and I was home alone.Mark had a regular routine of calling and lying to law enfor.and agencies and would sooner or later get a patrol car here for something and then he would gloat.Nothing happened here that day.Insert date.9-06? I don't know how that was handled.Mr Starr was outside in their backyard with him when Mark was yelling that and that may have had something to do with it,because Mr.Starr wouldn't stop the big picture,but he was aware of legal civil difficulties with Mark's over the top lying and police calls,loud family discussions and arguments over it.Mr.Starr was floored when Mark yell talked he was just going to tell the judge at the scheduled hearing,postponed, he had lied about Andy or me or Andy and me trying to run him over.He had already admitted it to them and their atty.and they still screamed at us about it for years when they knew it wasn't true because they could. -Lori had had loud screaming fights with Mark over this yelling he had gotten her in trouble over that even though she did the same thing,only better,and she still continued to scream at,bang the fence,threaten,and taunt us about that because she wanted to do that in general and in LHP she could.-Lori would come out and scream and bang on the fence about that while she was yelling about him lying about it inside the house so loud you could hear it in this backyard before she came out,with the rest of them home. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era.
His lying was/had become too disorganized and then he would just admit he had lied as there were no consequences,just this residency putting up with it for years.The Injunction was supposed to stop that.At the same time,Lori was always screaming and threatening graphic descriptions with weapons.6-14-04.audio website.Lori is actually screaming, 'get me my f-----gun!' audible from inside their house. Hawkins/Oh/com.Lias.protected and covered up for the S/Ws, and in 2008, the Chief,aware of this 05,became a major advocate for the S/Ws even while they were extensively blasting this residency with the repetitive cd technique which went on for over a year,a deliberate violation.
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For website explanations:Reposition to middle.After over 10 months of fierce targeted harassment and stalking,check date, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era,a suit was filed in Small Claims Court,audio tapes submitted,and at the venue hearing, the judge kept pushing and pushing for me to take the case to 'The People's Court' tv show,which had already contacted me and tried.The last thing I was going to do was fly out of here and go on television with these people to stop this,and I then thought it was the most inane approach,but years later, after the way this was handled, it probably would have been a more sane and more logical way and a less expensive way to stop this.
The case would not be handled there,wrong venue,and the judge told me that then and that I was in the wrong court directly in front of Atty.Yates,Lori, and John.After over another seven months,check dates, of intense targeted harassment and stalking,there was no choice but to proceed to Circuit Court.
Atty.Yates then started filing and refiling, as technique,that the case had already been tried and dismissed in another court as if it had been lost and this had to be continually counteracted with filings.He was even brazen enough to wave the paperwork around in deposition,telling the court reporter to note it, and then defiantly asking me,'What was this?'and I told him exactly on what pages he had lied about it to the judge in the civil suit filings and why did I have to be so exact in all my replies to him when he had already filed paperwork lying to the judge,and he changd the subject.All this was going on while the S/Ws were still screaming, threatening, banging, trespassing, etc., etc.,etc.,because in LHP,they could.This was really bad while they were trespassing in between the the garages and out to the north side near the driveway let alone at the interior backyard fence.It was really hard for anyone getting in and out of vehicles in this driveway,even with children,with the screaming and threatening,trespassing done at the same time.
NEW:added 4-28-09. One time,Andy's daughter had pulled into this driveway with the grandchildren,walked through this garage into this backyard and Lori actually walked screaming and threatening from the north side driveway trespassing in between the garages to their backyard and interior fence and continued screaming and threatening at the same time and pace.This was during the intense Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era and there was no one to call to stop this.Children were not immune.The S/Ws had just taken approx.4-5 ft.between the garages extending north to 35th Ct. and used it and mowed it as if it was their own.This was intoleable,before they targeted this residency and anyone on it,because their horiffic family fights were esculating with the screaming and gate banging at any time as they fought with each other there entering and exiting.
Once they targeted this residency, it was worse as they just stood there trespassing,screaming and threatening,etc.at lengths and there was no way to stop this and this was their closest proximity to harass this residency,There was also one part of the interior fence to stand behind and harass closest to this residency and that was where they did it.The S/Ws also called the police when we tried mowing the remaining 4 ft.of this property saying it harssed them,and when we stopped trying to mow it because they waited to see when we did so they could come out and scream at and harass us and call the police,they called the code board to complain that strip of lawn wasn't mowed and code enfor.would drive over here and cite this residency.This was a very bad harassment problem for years-,extending over 5 years through the 05 input-.. Website audio explanations:There is some of this on the website audio.Insert dates.
Det.L.Hawkins was both law enfor.and code enfor.at that time so the S/Ws really had their bases covered.
Det.Hawkins got a nice PR writeup in a local newspaper when he stopped woking for code enfor.,it being explained that he needed to spend more time on regular law enfor.He was very good at his PR and during this time he got a lot of it,the Deerfield Observer being especially accommodating.
This situation has already been explained but it goes nowwhere as the S/Ws always had/have law enfor. making lame excuses for them,straight to the Chief,through all 2008.
The Injunction/Sett.Agree.was supposed to stop that trespassing, harassing, stalking situation in that area along with the rest,any possibility of excuse issues with 'eminent domain' nullified by it as the S/Ws had just grabbed that property for years to use and to trespass,harass and stalk.All issues had to be discussed as the S/Ws' law enfor.had been so bizarre.After the Injunction,law enfor. just continued the instated Hawkins policies of covering for the S/Ws,saying that the property line' had not tbeen defined' when then an attempt was made to finally stop them from trespassing and trespassing and harassing, with a fence there.The S/Ws were finally disputing 3 inches and once again the real issues were ignored.Code Enfor. finally said the property line was defined when it was time to pay to a have tree taken down.and the S/Ws had trepassed and harassed there for years,but it was now defined as this resideny's property.The S/Ws did not want to pay to have the tree taken down and took of pictues of it to give to code enfor.This residency paid to have the tree taken down,and again the real issues were ignored.The S/Ws also got a lot of patrol cars over here trying to stop the attempt to stop them from trespassing and harssing there with a fence,-with an Injunction, fence permit,and survey by this residency.
One notable S/Ws' called patrol car visit was by Ofc.Swijit,04or05,Apr.orMay?-06, who had been involved with this from the beginning.This time he did not scream directly into my face as on the day the picture was taken,"about" on the website.This time I explained the situation about the instated Injunction and he called the station and was told,I was standing near him,and he told me 'the property line had not been defined'.Who told him that? I left a message for Chief Licata over this as I was in constant contact with him and code enfor.during this time.
These situations were complained about while they were happening and have been explained in the emails, but it is very easy for anyone who did not have to put up with it or pay to try and stop it to make lame excuses about it.
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Note:Website Audio Explan.insert dates:While Atty.Yates was busy tying up in the civil suit to stop all this Lori was busy making tapes set to background music of her talking,taunting,and threatening of how badly the suit would be lost,playing them over and over for hours for months in their backyard for her convenience so she did not have to always come outside, backyard and at interior fence,to do it herself,although she still did do that for hours without the tapes but also came outside at times to do it along with the tapes for double effect.There is some of this on the audio website,insert dates.The S/Ws also used this made tape technique for other ways to harass.The Injunction was supposed to stop this but this was extensively used the entire year of 2008 as the Chief became the S/Ws' advocate after Com.Lias.had done it for years,no reasonable explanation given for all this except any atty.could be grabbed to say it was ok and there was no recourse for this residency.
After the 05 input:Sgt.J.Vaccaro had wrongly trained a younger ofc.,misinforming him and not telling him the truth about this mess even though,and he had had years working with Det.L.Hawkins and the Ohs during this, advice given that my suit would be thrown out when it got before the judge,while I was on the phone with him,even with the filings available then that Atty.Yates had filed to have the suit thrown out at least twice and the judge refused. It was very very wrong to try to use younger newer ofcs. to try and cover up the mess the older ofcs.had made and it was really not even logical as the S/Ws were still way out of control.The judge was not naive, he had watched this case for years,and probably never expected the city/law enfor. to just disregard the Sett./Agree.
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CURRENT4-25-09.There has been no overt harassment by the S/Ws for a short perod of time.However the mindset is still noticably strong,determined,and unnerving as Lori storms back and forth between the two residencies slamming both doors and loudly complaining and yelling inside about this,and Mr. Starr comimg outside to sit and face this residency glaring hoping to make eye contact and he did catch me off guard two days ago when I tried to get near this pool and didn't know he was doing that again,and they do sit outside and deliberately yell talk,and Lori is still very inventive and capable of producing some sort of device to harass given any slip of an opportunity.
They will probably continue to try something else as they had over 9 yrs.of police protected stalking and harassment, 51/2 yrs. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.and over three and one half years with the Chief covering for them even with an Injunction.It would have been so much easier if this was stopped after the 05 input and the rest did not have to be put up with,especially with them getting more years of reinforcement to counteract.And, it should have initially been stopped in a minimum of 6 months anyway.
If they do try, the website and blogspot are there for referral,easier accessibility,and future protection, and will probably have to be for some time,and documents are immediately available.
They may not try to branch out and bully other people in other places instead,as during this,confidently propped up by being able to bully in LHP with protection,especially John,as that does not go well in other places,loud family arguments and discussions,and they cannot get law enfor.protection while they do it as they could here and there is the possibility of retaliation from people who just will not put up with them.
As stated,their strong mindset to do something is still very unnerving and this is a very protective and opportunistic city for them
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4-16-09.Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded:
There has been no reimbursement or damages.
Commander M.Oh is still working.
The Chief spent over three years covering for the S/Ws and dismissing an Injunction/Sett.Agree.to stop them.
The S/Ws' mindset is still unnerving and determined.
This residency will not be sold.It could not be leased out, as with this known documented existing condition,tenants could withhold rent payments if the S/Ws and their law enfor.acted up,and there was a high probability they would and did,things were dismissed as not happening,anything 'thought' of as an excuse, nothing 'written', and any atty.could be grabbed to say this residency had no recourse.This complaint was made years ago,along with the rest.Det. Hawkins was smart enough to get out with an award large enough to use as PR to nullify any complaints about the mess he made.
Thank you.
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4-25-09. The following e mail was received from Ofc.Mike Rowan.
He was the responding Ofc.with Ofc.M.Riemer,two patrol cars,on 9-09-08, when Lori called in and lied to the police to try to counteract my complaining to the Chief about the S/Ws' intolerable nine months' long violation of the Injunction./Sett.Agree.which law enfor.disregarded.
After that two patrol car visit,with Lori's/S/Ws' strong intent to continue evident,and the Ofcs.not informed, Ofcs. were sent legal documents and emails for infor.and prevention.
That call was a turning point in tryng to stop all this.See blogspot and emails.
Emailing was the only thing that worked in LHP.
At least this Ofc.has the option of just deleting.
This residency did not have that option or any option to stop the S/Ws' harassment and stalking with law enfor.backup and protection.
Thank you.
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From: Michael Rowan To: "aseahorse" Subject: RE: various additions,explan.for website Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:17:48 +0000
PLEASE TAKE ME OFF OF YOU E-MAIL. I DON' T OPEN ANYTHING FROM YOU. I JUST DELETE IT THANK YOU "-
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To Be Sent: To Whom It May Concern:
What is the City's positioning on the Injunction/Settlement Agreement? The problem is explaining it it to anyone who may want to visit here,and there is no one left who wants to come here and will probably have to put up with something. There is no credibility left.
2008 was the year long final straw with the S/Ws figuring out how to still harass daily with police protection. Now,even five minutes of that deliberate repetitive technique couldn't be tolerated.And that was done with company, without company, retaliation for having company, and just in general to have a steady harassment going on.
There is absolutely no point in asking the Chief about this or in even talking to him about any of this,as he made it very very clear he covers for the S/Ws with whatever it takes, seemingly oblivious that this would cause any resulting criticism,as if he was insulated.My last phone conversation with him was on 10-27-09 when he was still adamantly defending the S/Ws and he did not return my calls after the 10-29-08 incident.There has been no more contact with him to date.There also has been no contact with anyone in the city since that incident as all went back to the Chief who controlled it,except for the sent emails.The only thing to do was to email as defense and to finish the website to stop the misinformation and lying and to try to stop the harassment.
A more clearly defined explanation would help,although I am really hesitant about even asking for it and somehow rocking the boat as these months without that specific harassment have been too good and there is no way of tolerating that ever again.It's just a matter of knowing what the situation is to tell any potential visitors.This residency is still not used in any normal way,situation always having to be explained,but it is one hundred percent better than daily harassment with police backup, and that is really appreciated and has been expressed as such.
Can the S/Ws just start up again with police protection? What is the City's position on the Injunction/Sett.Agree.for protection against this? The S/Ws' mindset is still very bad.They will continue if given any avenue.
The question regarding the City's positioning on the Injunction/Sett.Agree was asked quite some time ago.See emails.
Thank you.
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Sent to Deerfield Observer editorial page.Published partly with editor's addition on 5-07-09.
5-01-09.Re:LHP. Commander Mike Oh should be reminded of the six year stalking and harassment situation and the following three year period with a disregarded Injunction in LHP, all on his watch. Commander M.Oh seems to have a continual problem negating the existance of this or his participation with it.He should not be still working. It would have been less costly and less time consuming to just pay him to stay home.
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Note:The 5-01-09 editorial email to the Deerfield Observer was not noticed as published until after the 5-07-09 general emails were all already sent.
There was no expectation that that editorial letter would be published.I had contacted the Deerfield Observer before when I was really desperate for some assistance,the first time before the website was up and only the audio cassettes were availble,and after the website was up but not finished with necessary infor.Then editor,I believe,Mr.Rick Green,told me the story was not editorial but maybe I could possibly resubmit it as regular news.I did not feel the Deerfield Observer was a viable option for assistance and did not,as things were still really intense at that point and I felt it would just be a waste of time.
However, after the Det.Hawkins' Keeper Days' award,I did send a letter to the editor never expecting it to be published and it wasn't.I will repost that editorial letter sent 2-23,26-09 to the editorialdesk and to ww.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ 2008-09 link to www.lighthousepointflorida.net/is now available by clicking BLOG on the website homepage for easier accessability.It is not finished and needs to be reorganized.All final editing is done on the blogspot.This was put up as a necessity for referral,easier accessibility and future prevention.
5-07-09.Lighthouse Point News.Re:May/June 2009.Pg.14.
'Check This Out And Know What Is Happening In Our Community'
LHP residents should be made aware there has been extensive stalking and harassment in LHP. Perhaps Chief R.Licata could address stalking and harassment issues in your next issue as his paricipation with this was lenghty and his expertise interesting. Thank you.
Addition:Perhaps both Com.M.Oh and Chief Licata could address stalking and harassing issues and what to do about them instead of putting up with it for over nine years,three with an Injunction,and emailing over 30 people over a year for help.
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5-09-09 6 P.M.Andy and I,no company, have been trying to use the pool,late afternoon and evenings.The S/Ws have a newer high pitched 'fife' cd left on outside with none of them outside with it. It is not loud,but at this point,anything repetitive is intolerable.It is also that they want to make the point that they will still do something,which is unnerving . Mindset.This is a slippery slope.It was never just about playing music.And please be reminded that the entire year of 2008 was a horiffic example of made repetitive harassment cds,a violation,and for half that time, really blasted.The S/Ws know what they are doing.What was the point of protecting them from injunction/sett.agee.violations, anyway?
This was a deliberate technique used for years,especially extensively and deliberately used in all of 2008.
The harassment stop has only been for few months. The S/Ws are not going to quit easily.They are very innovative wih devices to do this.
They already demonstrated they were injunction proof in LHP.Their major advocate,the Chief,2008,didn't have to put up with any of this,just making lame excuses for it and for the past.Who was advising him?
I don't think at this point the S/Ws have or thought of a newer different harassment technique to move on to so they will probably try to recontinue this one.It is a violation.The S/Ws violated every part of the Sett.Agree. loudly and noticably with help.
Besides putting up with all of it,it is very unnerving that they will constantly keep trying to do something as their nature/lifestyle.The mindset is still obvious.They got a lot of unexplanable reinforcement.
Just because fence slamming,trespassing,screaming,threatening, blasting made repetitive cds, etc., etc., etc., allowed in LHP for years, are now described as 'in the past',doesn't mean it was any less tolerated. It just reinforced the mindset which could have been deterred if anything sensibly was done.
We may try again to have company,with children,as always meeting at someone else's residency or restaurants to avoid all this is very very inconvenient.Everyone who came here was targeted.
Again,now the made repetitive cd technique needs to be addressed.I don't think the S/Ws just 'forgot 'not to do it or just 'forgot' and left it on outside..
They knew at the Sett.Agree.signing,it was for prevention as it was the last issue discussed,as it had been used for years mixed in with everything else.I don't think they just 'forgot' that either.The S/Ws always knew/know what they were/are doing and that they could get away with it.
And then still, there was the entire intolerable year of 2008 because the S/Ws could and did get away with it.Within LHP, you really have to complain and complain and repeat and repeat,as the S/Ws have always had law enfor.
It would be nice if there could be a time when no time had to be wasted on the S/Ws and no attention had to be given to them.Meanwhile,they are still determined and confident It just depends on how much help they get to continue,and they have always managed to get a lot of help.
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Add to website- middle? At the beginning years of all this,I was outside at the backyard patio furniture between the garage and the pool,went into the house for awhile,and came back out. Right in the area where I had been sitting and walking,there was a cut rat's head,cut not uneven severed as if from an animal fight or a trap.I often wondered how it got there.I don't think sparing animals carry utensils.At the time I just let it go as the other harassment problems were really intense,but a neighbor,veteran,who had been trying to use his backyard and pool and stop all that before and after this residency was targeted, was alarmed and did not doubt it could have been thrown over from next door.
This veteran was taking care of his father,a WW 2 veteran,mentioned in Tom Brokow's book, the house purchased for that reason.It didn't matter.The S/Ws were more important than anyone else and they continued. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies.
For years before the S/Ws targeted this residency both Ohs knew about this as they had front row seats at the Thompson's,later C.O.P.volunteers, residency next door who were really complaining after years of this,by then, 1996? insert date, about the S/Ws as they couldn't use their backyard and didn't want to hear any more of it,and the S/Ws were blaming them for a police call about them that someone else had made.They sold to the veterans' family.The S/Ws continued and then directly targeted this residency starting,Dec.1999. That family sold to a working F.B.I.agent thinking he could probably handle this.He tried,called the police,and couldn't,already explained in the emails,insert date.The S/Ws and their law enfor.were unstoppable. The only thing left for this residency,after a lot of time and expense,to do was to put up a website and email and email and email and then it was it award time again,this one really big with a lot of PR. (?)
5-13-09.For the past few days,the S/Ws have been really slamming the gate at the interior fence noticable because louder than usual and storming back and forth between the two houses,with John glaring for eye contact as he goes back and forth between the garages,on his side inside the fence for that.What are they so mad about? They got everything they wanted.
5-16-09.Lori and Mr. Starr 'loud talk'outside and in their pool,about 1 hr.audible into this house,Lori really complaining about how nothing about this situation is true.Mindset.Unnerving mindset.
5-28-09 Mr. Starr still,as regular route,is entering N.E. 28th Ave.from the wrong side of the street.Again, this is not fair to drivers heading north on 28th Ave.turning right entering N.E. 35 Ct.as they don't expect him to be coming up through there when they turn right,especially work or service vehicals.There have already been two near misses.With all the over the top personal attention the S/Ws have gotten through the years,it seems remote that no one could not have told him to stop.The Chief's article on speeding was informative,but he should also be paying attenion to what his favored client has been doing as a regular pattern.I hope the finale to this is not an accident right in front of this house with the situation described as no one 'knew' this was going on for over a year.This is not to just get him a ticket. It is to get him to stop because it is not safe.-even if he 'thinks' it is ok. Andy and I were both in the driveway near this garage door when he did it again today hugging this easement,which surprised us as we did not know he was getting into his car.At least he didn't look directly at us and give us the finger.I think there is a juvenile belligerency to this because there was a complaint made against this,loud audible angry family discussion months ago, and you just don't complain about them. That is not the issue.Thank you.
5-30-09.approx.11:30A.M. Mr.Starr drove out again on the wrong side of the road really hugging the grass easement on the north side of this residency,this visible from this north dining room window.We were not outside.
6-01-09.Mr. Starr again leaves and enters N.E.28 Ave.on the wrong side of the road,visible from this north dining room window.8:45 A.M.
6-3-09.Afternoon.Andy and and I got into the car in this driveway and left.Mr.Starr and Lori were already in Mr.Starr's car in their driveway.After we pulled out,they pulled out on the wrong side of the road to enter 28th Ave.
6-06-09.Sat.afternoon.2P.M.Mr.Starr enters N.E 28th Ave.on wrong side of the road.Andy and I were in the west front yard.
6-08-09.9A.M.Mr. Starr enters N.E.28Ave.from the wrong side of the road visible from this north dining room window..A truck heading south on N.E.28 Ave.was able to see him there before turning left into 35th Ct.so it was a careful turn for that truck. Vehicles heading north on 28th Ave.turning right into 35 Ct. do not have this visibility to see him there before turning especially if he is only half way between his residency and 28 Ave.and still on 35 Ct.This is not fair to those vehicles.
I believe this 'wrong side of the road thing' started when Mr.Starr decided to drive out by the north side of this residency to get as close as he could get up to the easement to give this residency the finger, and to be really noticed doing it,as for years before that all the S/Ws exited on the proper side of the road.Then he just continued doing it without giving this residency the finger.The finger situation is not the issue.The S/Ws have done that anywhere they saw us even from the proper side of the road as standard behavior. The safety factor is the issue.
The S/Ws accuse what they are actually doing. The S/Ws called in to complain that Andy had harassed them and given them the finger when we didn't even know they were there.That was the Pompano K Mart situation ,insert date and email date, which was a lot of time consuming work.I had called in to complain about the deliberate blasting tapes, pre-Sett.Agree.,no help of course,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policies after the 05 input, too close to this interior fence,the S/Ws not outside with it, when I heard about that.This has already been explained.
5-13-09.Website Explanation unfinished,lengthy,insert to middle, finish,edit,add,insert dates, .....................Hawkins/Oh/Com. Lias.era.The very beginning: The harassment and stalking were too fierce and vicious and the S/Ws' harassing called patrol car visits while they were doing this were too unbelievable.I went to the police station,insert date,to talk to Det.Hawkins about both and I just mentioned I was afraid of the police,no specifics given. Big mistake.The harassment and stalking continued as did the S/Ws harassing patrol calls with it. Andy tried to mow the strip of lawn,interior border out to north along this driveway,the part left that that S/Ws hadn't already taken as theirs which they mowed.Lori came outside,their front yard,really screaming loud she was being stalked and harassed and her mother came outside with her as her witness,and she called the police on him and two patrol cars showed up insert date.additional cassette available. We tried to explain we needed help but it went nowhere. Mr.Starr continued the harassment when he came home.See 'the story',website.
I called Det.Hawkins about this two patrol car visit and the 'think' policy was explained,that 'if Lori thought staring was stalking'........she could call for patrol cars. (?) There was no was to stop this situation or get any help. The 'think 'policy continued through 2008 when Lori 'thought' rifle and the S/Ws 'thought' electrocution and the Chief thought that that was still all right too.
05.After the 2005 input,I tried to explain that if the policies,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.,instated at the beginning, continued,the problem would never be solved.
05.Com.Lias./law enfor.using newer ofcs. explains that the police have to go out on every call because if they don't and something happens,the city could be sued.
0.,Atty. E Bruce Johnson argues that the city is not liable for the negligent acts of govt.workers.
Nice agenda.
There is still the question as to how the S/Ws got so much law enfor. protection from the time they moved in.
There is still the question as to why Det.L.Hawkins,Commander M.Oh, and the S/Ws got so much control in this city using every facility to continue.
It isn't right that this residency had to spent so much time and money to stop both while being continually victimized.
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Add.There is an element of horror to all this.When we and others would be gasping ind astounded in disbelief after any of the S/Ws' incidents-screaming,harassing,their called in patrol visits,no help,etc.,this was the payoff for the S/Ws, watching and listening to the the reactions when it was realized by us and others that they could and did get away with it all,and they gloated. That was a big part of their harassment style and satisfaction,that they could get away with all this this,no matter how over the top,and watching reactions to being really stuck and upset by this,that aspect alone too alarming. They always knew what they were doing and how to get it.There is a big disparity between the way law enfor.described/s the S/Ws and the way they really were/are.
Add. If there is any question as to why a fence was not put up from the beginning between the garages and extending north between the driveways to 35th Ct. to stop the trespassing and harassing there and to reclaim the 3-4 ft. the S/Ws had just taken and used as theirs,please be reminded that the interior backyard fence and the fence and gate extending out on a diagonal from this garage to meet the interior backyard fence were already being beat on regularly as regular routine harassment and that continued for over 51/2 years.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era. And also,any time any work or repair work was done at this residency, the S/Ws called for patrol cars saying it bothered them,especially at the interior border,and that was another big annoying harassment issue that would have to be dealt with.
Approx.5 months after the ignored Sett.Agree.,spring 06,an orange mesh fence,a good visual aid, was put between the garages to stop the trespassing and harassment there which law enfor. could not overrule.The S/Ws did call and get patrol cars over here over that saying the work on it and it bothered them but they really just didn't want to give up the 3-4 ft.of property they had just taken and used as theirs for years even with a Sett.Agree.to keep them out and to stop them from trespassing and harassing there.They just should have just stopped trespassing and harassing there after the Sett.Agree.but they really had been invincible and not getting what they wanted no matter how outrageous was not an option with them. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era protection.
That remained for over a year,check dates,and was replaced by a green mesh fence with standard cemented posts and the S/Ws then did not attempt to beat on the posts. Neighbors directly across the street,35th Ct., had direct visibility to the S/Ws' trespassing and harassing for years and could hear the screaming for years.There was no stopping it as the S/Ws' law enfor. protection was impenetrable.If there is any notion of ineptness on the part of this residency to solve this problem,please be reminded that this problem involved the S/Ws and their law enfor.and combined, it was too formidable.
Were the S/Ws ever directly asked if they were trespassing before and for about 5 months after the Sett.Agree.until that fence was put up? There was approx. five feet of bushes running along their garage out to that fence and that had to be trimmed so they could so they could get through on their side after that fence was put up.Are they actually trying to say they were always in those bushes?
Were the S/Ws ever directly asked if they were trespassing along with harassing, -screaming,screaming threats, taunting,,banging,etc. there before and for approx. 5 months after the Sett.Agree.? Just because law enfor.let them do it before the Sett.Agree.does not mean they could do it after the Sett.Agree. unless the Sett.Agree.was disregareded. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policies.
Were the S/Ws not asked because the Sett.Agree. addresses the S/Ws lying on reports and reports are necessary for the process? What were Det.L.Hawkins and Com.M.Oh doing before and after the Sett.Agree. besides sending out newer misinformed ofcs.to try and cover up the mess they made with this?-which was impossible because the S/Ws were not going to stop, even to cover for them covering them,and the S/Ws did continue all through 2008,throughout all the coverup attempts now by the Chief. And this still residency still had to put up with it all which was still intolerable by any normal standards as the S/Ws violated the Sett.Agree.with their extensive deliberate cd technique and the rest.
Sent5-28-09 The website and blog need to be finished,edited,more added,and reorganized for better clarity.This is an endeavor that will not be immediately done as double shoulder replacement with complications is inevitable and must be started.This should have been started over nine months ago,but being stuck in any kind of incapacitating recovery period with daily deliberate torture cds along with the rest was not going to happen.There have been about four months of appreciated harassment stop after nine years.Let's hope it does not start up again,the situation still tenacious as the S/Ws' mindset is still determined, unnerving, and probably irreversible,and the situaton is still controlled by local law enfor. not the Sett.Agree.to stop and prevent all that.There is still the fear/reality that this could just start up all over again. cc: blog.All final editing done on blog.www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ click BLOG on the homepage
Sent. The Settlement Agreement.The S/Ws immediately violated every part of the Sett.Agee.from the beginning when it was instated and continued extensively while the Chief was directly 'handling 'this .Where are the reports necessary for the process? I don't think the Chief or law enfor. were hired to work exclusively for the S/Ws,but that is what happened no matter how obvious or fumbling.It does not appear the the S/Ws' mindset to continue is reversible.The harassment stop after nine years is really appreciated but it is still tenacious,as it is still controlled by local law enfor. There needs to be something outside the city. Was there any situation where the S/Ws were told there would be no reports in exchange for stopping? This residency had to put up with all of it. 2008 was a really intolerable year,after many other intolerable years.
After the 05 input,the Chief said the S/Ws' screaming,targeted screaming,for hours,was unacceptable behavior and would not be tolerated. I wondered then how he got that then as that had been standard policy for over five and a half years. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policy era.The S/Ws got around that anyway by targeted screaming at shorter lengths and spurts and at intervals, which was still disarming when it happened,and still while trespassing.Being involved with this may not be a mayoral situation,but something more should have been done about this before and besides the 06 Atty.E.Bruce Johnson reply.
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6-05-09. Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations' process? The Chief probably thought,during the entire year of 2008, that he could just wait until that year,another one, was over and just say well that was 'in the past' and nothing was 'written', his standard substandard way of handling all this,- except this residency really had to put up with all of it and that isn't so easily forgotten, especially just as a convenience for everyone else who shouldn't have let it happen in the first place.
There is no excuse that the S/Ws got so much biased preferential treatment for years and years and years. No one else in LHP could get away with what they did for even over a month.This situation needs to be further studied and investigated and not by another city/law enfor./code enfor.whitewash where technicalities are misconstrued and taken out of context to try for a quick fix excuse for all this.
It is equally insulting to have to run the risk of this starting up all over again by daring to complain about it, because after all, the people who let it happen do not have to put up with it, intolerable for anyone, and it is good leverage to keep someone from complaining.
The S/Ws' mindset is still unnerving,determined, and probably now irreversible.There is a real fear/reality that all this could just start up all over again and they will get the protection to do it.
The Sett.Agree. was a necessary avenue for protection to stop and prevent all this without worrying about it starting up again. What happened before and after it?
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6-14-09.11:45A.M.Mr. Starr leaves on the wrong side of the road not hugging this easement visible from the north dining room window.The standard excuse that the police can't be everywhere or do everything doesn't hold with the S/Ws' situation,not after all their over the top patrol car calling and constant law enfor.attention and protection for years.They probably still are in contact with the police. Someone could have told him to stop.
6-20-09.1:40P.M. Mr. Starr leaves again on the wrong side this time very slowly hugging this easement waiting to see what a car on 28th Ave.was going to do, this visible through the north dining room window.They probably are still in contact with law enfor.over something.They always have been.Someone could have told him to stop.
6-27-09.Sat.12:45P.M. Mr. Starr again enters 28th Ave.from the wrong side of the road,hugging this easement and stopping there waiting to see what a vehicle on 28th Ave was doing,visible from this north dining room window.The S/Ws are in all probability still regularly talking to law enfor. Why doesn't someone just tell him to stop?.
The S/Ws have always been in constant contact with law enfor.,their user friendly law enfor.,always available for them for all their own whims.
The S/Ws actually got law enfor.to their residency very late one night,insert date,complaining that someone could look or was looking in their windows,that event noticable to this residency after the noise,lights,activity,people talking,in their backyard and one ofc.loudly saying that he couldn't do anything about people looking in their windows.That was when the S/Ws were really complaining about making this residency put up that interior fence.We didn't know anything about it until the noise in their backyard and we were not even outside for hours before that. I did get up and turn on the garage and backyard lights after that.The S/Ws did get the instructions and paperwork for puting up the fence themselves,that apparent when Lori was in their backyard waving it around loudly complaining that it was too much work for them.Note: 2008.I was surprised and did not expect it when someone who had taken an interest in the printedout emails,not yet blogged,for some time,finally blurted out to a few people in front of me that the John in the emails was the John she had had her own situation with in another city.You could tell by the look on her face while she was talking about it that this was the real deal, kind of a stunned astonishment. I then remembered that years ago,John in their backyard,had been yelling and loudly talking about a women,none of it good,and had yelled her name.I didn't know what that was all about then.
The S/Ws cross all lines,ones you don't expect having been done without any real jusitifiable provocation with no control over what provoked them. Once you have to deal with them you just don't want to do it anymore.Law enfor. crossed all lines by becoming their protective advocates,from the years of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era through and after 2008.
6-22-09. CD technique.
I've been using the backyard and pool and Andy has been using the pool after work.This probably irks the S/Ws as they have been able to effectively stop this for years. 6-20-09.Sat. afternoon.I had been using the backyard and pool.Lori came outside sat in a chair direcly facing this residency and turned soft music on and off almost as if she was waiting and looking to evoke and watch a response from me,something she has done before. I did.I stood up and looked directly back at her.The music did not come back on and shortly after she went inside. I believe I did this about two weeks ago,directly staring,when there was on and off soft music in the S/W's backyard and I couldn't see exactly where it was coming from as Lori was going in and out.It stopped then too after that.
This is a scary thing to do because the S/Ws have long maintained that looking back at them when they are harassing is harassing at them and they could call patrol cars over.And they had the backup. Luckily no patrol cars showed up. But she probably called in and they probably has been doing that all along.
That deliberate harssing made repetitive cd technique used extensively to torture for the entire year of 2008 left an indelible impression,not yet erased. That's not counting the same thing done really blasted the entire holiday season of 2007,Nov.through Dec.,when this started to be extensively and exclusively used,when there were children and company here,which really bothered the children,Lori coming outside to announce, 'Hope this isn't bothering your party',with full confidence LHP would protect them and override the Sett.Agee.to prevent this which LHP did.
Again, that's an indelible impression and the mindset hasn't seemed to change. There's always the fear/reality that it could just start up all over again as this situation is controlled by law enfor. not by the Sett. Agree.violations process.
This is a slippery slope It was never just about playing music.I think the S/Ws like the idea that just taunting with it causes an upset reaction, which it does as that was absolutely intolerable alone and after all the preceeding events for years.
I put off surgery in Dec.,the last month for that surgeon as he was going into a different network Jan.1, as I didn't want to be stuck in any incapacitating recovery period listening to those deliberate repetitive torture cds. It was bad enough here already with that intolerable technique without trying to put up with it with this added situation.And I always have complications with an inability to tolerate standard daily doses of medication. If I had known they,cd techniques, were going to go off, the plans would have been different,but no one told me. Feeling somewhat assured that this might not start up after a few months,the medical,which was really necessary was started but not without a lot if work as this required a different surgeon,medical group,etc. and all that goes with it,waiting for referrals, same tests over,etc.I actually ended up with 4 xrays on the same shoulder before this first surgery because of different networking and the time lapse. If the S/Ws are reading this blog, it is probably with satisfaction over all the extra work as watching this residency reel in astonishment over what they could get away with and watching this residency really scrambling and working to try to counteract it, is part of the payoff. And they gloated,loudly. The S/Ws always also accused/accuse what they were/are really doing as standard.If they read this they will probably say that was being done to them,so I am stating this principle upfront.
Dealing with standard life and medical problems is enough without trying to figue out how to counteract the over the top S/Ws and their law enfor. at the same time. People not in this situation may have a hard time realizing or even envisioning this and how all encompassing, overwhelming, and time consuming that second situation becomes along with dealing with the first.
Again,- the cd technique,with the Sett.Agree. to prevent it.Various attempts to restart it,even if it is just a taunt that it could restart to annoy,are taken very seriously.This has been proven over and over to be a very slippery deliberate slope. cc:blog. All final editing on blog.
6-10-9. Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations? Just because the Chief decided it wasn't going to happen does not mean it isn't a valid legal process. I believe the first five and one half years of targeted harassment, stalking, trespassing, etc.,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, before the 05 input and agenda based response, were enough biased protection for the S/Ws. They didn't need another over three more years of it after the Sett.Agree. Although any atty can be grabbed to say he doesn't have to do do it.What his his motive in not doing it? Thank you.
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During 2008,when complaining about the daily deliberate intolerable harassmernt repetitive cds with an instated Sett.Agree.to prevent it,and discussing the fence situation,the Chief told me I was acting as if there was a vast right wing conspiracy out to get me. (?) He needed better writers.He also told me to stop harassing people with the emails or he would keep sending the police over if I didn't stop.When I questioned the term harassing, he quickly changed it. I didn't stop emailing and the rest has already been explained. There again was the problem of having to be nice to someone because of their law enfor. position even though while getting directly flim flamed and while still putting up with the daily deliberate harassment.
6-12-09. For the past few days, there has been a lot of noticable going back and forth between the 2 houses and door slammimgs,Lori announcing outside early last evening when I was tryng to use this backyard that 'things were going to change around here'! Very unnerving mindset. Also unnerving was/is laws enfor.who protects and covers for them.
The S/Ws are probably reading the blog about asking for the reports,and will,as standard,be acting up to try to counteract that which has worked for them in the past.They knew the Sett.Agree.was for protection and prevention and they just openly gloated when it was disregarded. They've always been invincible by protection.
6-11-09 C.O.P.S.was just honored,the annual 'thank you' ceremony,with a writeup in a local paper,'On Society','Thank you,COPs',and it was reported mention was made of one volunteer's yrs.by Chief Licata, also the Chief's picture in the column. C.O.P.S.was set up under the Chief, Det.L.Hawkins and now Sgt.Chris Oh receiving the joint Ofcs.of the Year award for setting it up during one of the worst years the residency endured with,of course,no help from law enfor.to stop it,pre Sett.Agree.Two Keeper Days' Celebrations ago,08, I saw this volunteer with another,both in uniform,going back to and getting into their car parked directly across the street on 35th Ct.and I went outside to say hello to them as we had been neighbors,and they both almost at the same time said, "We have to go.We're only here for the Keepers Days' Celebration,just to watch the park,only for that!" repeated that and left.I didn't bring up the harassment situation, this was a hello thing,but they certainly left before it could be. Did someone tell COPS not to get involved with any of that or misinform them from the beginning,as say maybe the founders? Or did they just personally not want to get involved again having already put up with the S/Ws before they targeted this residency.This residency wasn't getting help anyway,as policy.This was during the beginning months,08,of that deliberate harassing cd technique with the instated Sett.Agree. to prevent it and I had started the emails as the only avenue for help,this technique probably subdued,check emails, somewhat that weekend due to the celebration,park activity,and all the cars parked on both sides of 35th Ct. Note: It hadn't been so easy in the past In the early years,if there was any music or activity in that park,or anywhere in general, the S/Ws felt compelled to compete with it, so this residency got caught between two music systems,besides the deliberate blasting static radio,made tapes,etc.,etc.done in general along with all the rest.
After the 05 input,when the mayor's wife pulled up in her COPS' car and COPS' uniform and announced that we should have moved,it was startling.This seemingly inappropriate callous remark with no apologies given was just the tip of the iceberg with what had been going on and unfortunately what would continue to go on with the problem of the S/Ws and their law enfor.and the LHP position. Aug.06.When the mayor and the then Commission President were notified via atty. that there was a very big problem with the S/Ws and law enfor.,the reply was the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson argument. I do not think this would have gone one for over a month if the S/Ws lived next door to the mayor's residency,even if they were not directly targeted, let alone the rest.The horiffic family fights, screaming , banging, blasting,etc.alone would have been stopped even if Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. said it was alright although they probably wouldn't have said it was alright if it was happening there.I do not believe they would have had constant patrol car visits there with what the S/Ws 'thought'.I do not believe the 'stalking is staring' thing would have been used.How can you not look at people who are screaming at each other and people who are screaming directly at you? I do not think they would have had to put up with the deliberate harassing made repetitive cds for the entire year of 2008 after all the preceeding,with or without a Sett.Agree.to stop it,because the Chief said it was alright although he probably wouldn't have said that if it was happening there. Who actually was running this city? besides the S/Ws. This was/is a modern horror story.
There was some sort of recognition,award,'thank you 'mention for code enfor.in a standard printed article.about a month or two ago,insert date, Nothing was ever printed about the $18,000.00 lien and $500.00 paid fine on this residency.That might have involved explaining that in LHP it's ok to smash a fence for over 5 and1/2 years until it comes down and to scream and harass in others ways while doing that.It might have involved explaining all of it.
6-12-09.As contributing columnist/reporter for The Deerfield Observer, 'Sandy On Society', Sandra Johnson's column is fun,amusing, and an insight into the pleasant and well structured living of LHP.
However,as acting city commissioner with privy and associations with the inner management of LHP,who protected and covered up this nine year harassment and stalking situation,people and agencies appearing regularly in this column, there could be the appearance of obvious,disingenuous conflict of interest in doing both at the same time.Easy accesssibility to a usuable format for good city PR is an asset. See www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP
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6-19-09.Chief Licata seemed very capable of discussing and arguing for financial specifics during a recent city meeting with Commissioners. This capability appeared to be mising when discussing anything about the nine year harassing and stalking situation,especially the explanations given by him during 2008. It does not seem likely he could be of two intellects. Maybe he was told what to say at that meeting. Or maybe the dumbed down explanations given for that whole mess were deliberate.
There seems to be very big concern that the LHPPD is allocated. And there seems to be very little concern for resident/victims spending tens of thousand of dollars to counteract the mess the LHPPD made out of a standard textbook harassing and stalking situation,with really lame excuses given for it.
The mindset is still bad and the harassment stop tenacious as it is still controlled by law enfor.and they could just both start up again. cc:blog
6-29-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
6-29-09.Mayor Schorr,All,
Re: Chief Licata 's contract renewed,recommended and praised by Mayor Schorr,praised by city officials,The Deerfield Observer,6-25-09
Please be reminded that after over 5 and 1/2 years of over the top harassment and stalking by the S/Ws protected by the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies, the Chief continued for over 3 and 1/2 years trying to cover this up and protect the S/Ws, and allowed all in 2008 to happen,a completely unnecessary amd intolerable year by anyone's standards.This is not praiseworthy law enforcement.This is biased,agenda based, inappropriate law enfor.This is not surprising as it was done and tried to be be covered up for the previous 5 and 1/2 years.
This appreciated and deserved harassment stop is still tenacious,as it is still controlled by the same law enfor. that protected it, not an outside agency. The S/Ws got another free ride and there was little concern for the victims who actually had to put up with everything on a daily basis and had to pay to try to stop it.
Victims cannot be discounted. Nowadays, they just don't fade away making it convenient for the people who caused the problem.They get on the internet.There was not even one apology in nine years. Not wishing to minimize the severity of the situation,the following sentence will nevertheless be included. Maybe there's an award for the most time consuming and costly family in LHP history for taxpayers and victims,and they and their law enfor.can get their pictures taken together for a newpaper column. Thank you. cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on blog.
continued........................Note:I did,one time,08,in total frustration over the deliberate, harassing, daily, blasting, made, repetitive cd technique with an instated Sett.Agree. to prevent it, leave a messge for the Chief that,well, I would just take the S/Ws through the Violations process to stop it, and then there wouldn't be anything he could do about it to keep it going.That was a mistake as it is never good to blurt anything out no matter how frustrated or right you are in this situation as it will be used against you.That Violations process requires a police report and you can be sure I never got one.
6-30-09.I just went out to the south backyard and noticed a patrol car stopped diagonnally on 28th Ave.at the S.E. easement of this residency.The car parked there on this property is legally tagged and insured.I just don't like the way it looks in the North driveway. I did leave a message for the Chief on the day of the three patrol car visit for the S/Ws' 'think electrocution' episiode,that I had started parking it there for that reason.I had just moved it from the north driveway around the block to the southeast side of this residency when the patrol cars showed up. It became apparent that the S/Ws thought I was gone and they went full force in between the garages at the interior property line,audible loudly through this house, which I then taped so there would be no fooling around with what the S/Ws said.The police during this told them I was home as Mr.Starr said I had left.I never even envisioned that any of that was going to happen as I had just talked to the Chief about the problem I was having trying to work there with John coming out and with that cd technique on,I believe one or two days before. insert dates,emails.That was my last converstion with the Chief. He never returned my calls the day of the 'S/Ws' think electroction' thing.
Anyway, that vehicle is legal and has been. Thank you. cc:blog
6-01-09. LHP Magazine
Re: Contributing writer, Sheriff Al Lamberti
Could Sheriff Al Lamberti address harassing,trespassing,and stalking and what to do about it? Should a LHP resident facing losing any normal usage of a residency, immediately go directly to the sheriff's dept.and just skip the LHP law enfor. and city policies? Thank you.
Note: This is not meant as a a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
7-06-09. Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded that this residency expects to be reimbursed as a minimum. It's one thing to put up with all this, another thing to pay to try to stop it,and another thing to have to email an entire city for over a year to try and get some help. I said at the Code Board Hearing, 08, that the whole city was involved and I was showing the Sett.Agree.at that time.And it still continued intensely until 09,award time. It should be no surprise that this residency still expects reimbursement as a minimum.The LHPPD gets enough allocated monies Private citizens should not have to pay out of pocket for help when it is standard law enfor.work. No one said, 'Well ,since you paid for that, you don't have to pay taxes'.
And please be reminded this residency already had the money. It would have been so much easier if this residency could have been used in a norrmal way for all those years and that money did not have to be spent on that.It also would have been so much easier if all that time didn't have to be spent trying to stop all this.The number of people, agencies, court situations, lawyers,etc. dealt with is daunting, none of whom would have been dealt with if this had been handled right from the begining. There is no excuse for all this, just lame coverups.
And please be reminded,there has already been one non published, lenghty,costly civil suit involving this where maneuvers and technicalities were used instead of issues as the S/Ws actually really did it all. A lengthy city civil suit would cost taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars,the final maneuver probably being the statute/law,insert exact terminology, essentially stating that law enfor. does not have to protect you, subjected to many interpretations and challenges,the rebuttal to this being the many ways different higher courts ruled on this, taking the case out of the actual issues and into the issues of higher courts of interpretations.This is a nine year situation, with years of annoying, etc. noted behavior before being directly targeted..
Some years into this,this aspect was explained by a law firm dealing with that type of litigation,and it was decided then to continue to try and stop the S/Ws first as it would be easier because they were still civilly liable even with law enfor .protection. It was startling to both the law firm and me when I mentioned Atty.R.Yates was handling this case and what he was doing with it,as exactly at the same time I called,he was the opposing Atty.on a case they were dealing with right then,one call right after their deposition that day,and he was using the same techniques there he was using on this one,which was to make it too expensive and irritiating to put up with to try to make it just go away,the last ditch effort when the issues are too big,.The law firm said he didn't win.He didn't win this one either.The S/Ws won because law enfor./city just disregarded the Sett.Agree.to stop them and Aty.Yates and for prevention.
Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,06, wasn't off in his choice of defense.He just shouldn't have done it as it gave the S/Ws more years of harassment and protected the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era's over 5 and 1/2 years of continual clearing of the S/Ws, none of which he could have probably put up with himself for even only a month and probably wouldn't have had to,here,as law enfor. is selective and would probably have put an immediate end to it for him.
This is a nine year situation, not just one incident,with years of annoying,etc.noted behavior before being directly targeted.
Again, the issues of reimbursement/damages and reports for the violation's proces haven't been resolved, the second leaving this situation tenaciously still in the hands of law enfor. Situations like this just don't fade away making it easy for the people who caused them.The mindset of the S/Ws is still unnerving,reinforced, and probably now irreversable, and will probably have to be dealt with for a long, long time. Thank You. cc:blog www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
7-06-09. Commander M.Oh has already been reimbursed $50,000.00 for atty. fees by the city in the law enfor./commissioner situation which went on for a long time and got a lot of attention,press etc..At the same time during all that, this residency was getting pounded with deliberate daily loud screaming,screaming threats, fence banging, trespassing with threats, blasting radio on static and tapes,etc.,etc.,all textbook harassing and stalking with no help to stop it. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies. There was no normal usage of this residency which was horrifying to everyone watching it including the law enfor's handling of it.The Ofc.who had been a starting focal point in the city situation for all that had been here but he had to do what his superiors told him to do which was to let the S/Ws continue.
There seemed to be some concern over what taxpayers would think about the city infighting and consequential reimbursement, but it was still done.A lot of that was petty and not major injurious.
That total situation and this residency's situation are different in theory. But this is not exactly just apples and oranges.
It was very startling to watch a law enfor. ofc. have that much of a self indulgent fit over complaints he was not doing his job right, doing among other things trying to legally obtain a commissioner's computer contents in wasted civil action, while the job really wasn't being done right at this residency,ridiculously obvious.
When that situation was finalized, this residency's situation continued.
When this residency complained, it got the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson reply.
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7-06-09. LHP News,Editorial desk,
Could Chief R.Licata address stalking and harassment in your next issue? His expertise on this subject may be interesting .Thank you.
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7-07-09.6-01-09. LHP Magazine
Re: Contributing writer, Sheriff Al Lamberti
Could Sheriff Al Lamberti address harassing,trespassing,and stalking and what to do about it? Should a LHP resident facing losing any normal usage of a residency, immediately go directly to the sheriff's dept.and just skip the LHP law enfor. and city policies? Thank you.
7-16-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
This is not petty. This is a predictable used pattern.
7-16-09. 6P.M. Lori is back in their backyard turning soft music on and off sitting in a chair directly facing this residency as if to taunt,which it does,probably the point, and to try to evoke a reaction. I have been using the pool and backyard everyday.I was in the pool when she came out.This was audible into this house when I went in. I did come back out and look at her from the middle of this backyard to make sure it was her.This is again a scary thing to do because of the S/Ws' over the top backup.
This is a slippery slope. It was never just about playing music.Please be reminded of the over nine year history of deliberate music and sound techniques.That deliberate repetitive sound and music technique used to harass the entire year of 2008 and the months before has not been so easily forgotten. Some of those were the same two minutes over and over for 30-45 minutes. She is very clever with devices. Remember,she,S/Ws, started out with made tapes,a radio on static,and a clown horn.This situation is still tenaciously in the hands of law enfor., the Sett.Agree.,an outside source to prevent, disregarded. The S/Ws got a free ride. I didn't want to think this would still have to be dealt with anymore. The mindset is strong and reinforced. This is not petty.This is a predictable used pattern. See email 6-22-09, cd technique, on the blog discussing the same thing.Thank you.
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7-17-09.A law firm was called inquiring about counsel.This law firm was picked at random from a newpapwer article about an unrelated situation in another city,with no knowledge about what this law firm actually did. After a short conversation, I was really surprised to hear that there may be a conflict as Atty.E Bruce Johnson worked with this law firm and this law firm may or may not already be representing LHP on other issues, and that needed to be clarified.
Trying to stop the S/Ws in the past targeted nine years has been complicated by the law enfor.and city large network of backup.
The actuality of putting up with all this as regular routine with the 'we can and we will do this' in your face attitude, gets lost and disregarded after everyone gets lawyered up and legal maneuvers for damage control and coverup are focused on instead of the problem.
The basic concept of someone doing this to someone else thinking there isn't the whereforwhatall or finances to stop it or for protection against it, also gets lost and disregarded in this internet age.
This whole thing should have been handled in a maximum of six months. cc:blog
7-18-09.Mr.Starr is still hanging on and bending the green mesh fence between the garages. Again, this fence was not meant to support anyone,but put up to keep the S/Ws from trespassing and harassing months after the Sett.Agree. didn't stop them. Nothing is said to him while he is doing this, as it was fully ingrained by the S/Ws in 2000 that they could scream, trespass, bang, threaten, etc.,etc.,for hours and hours and no one could look at them or say anything back to them, and they had the backup.They also tried provoking,-threatening, taunting, banging,etc.,anyone here into replying so it could be considered a two party thing.This was a very frustrating, completely unnecesary, modern horror story, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era and it continued for years, already explained.
A sign on that fence may be necessary. Signs:2008. Even with that extensive and very effective cd technique,used for hours and hours,over and over,deliberate, harassing,made, repetitive cds, some the same two minutes over and over for 30-45 minutes, with a Sett.Agree.to prevent it, the S/Ws continued with other things,one of them still littering and deliberately throwing things into this yard, between the garages and near the top of this driveway, even with the Sett.Agee. to prevent that and it gets tiresome still picking this up,even though it isn't one of the major issues. I taped a 'no trespassing' sign with a made 'no littering' sign on a garbage can on this property near the end of that fence by the top of this driveway and both were ripped off and thrown back into this yard. So I got two more signs and taped them to a garbage can using a roll of clear tape winding it around the garbage can completely covering the two signs and put the garbage can behind the green mesh fence on this property.The next morning Lori could be heard yelling inside her house about that and when I checked, someone had tried pulling the tape off,but there was too much tape. They stopped throwing garbage and I removed the can, but have had to put it back with the signs when they started again, and Lori could be heard yelling from inside their house that that bothers her and she wants it gone.When their house was painted, the made 'no littering' sign was painted over with white paint.
So,a sign to keep Mr.Starr from hanging on and bending the non supportive fence may not work. Since they are still probably in constant contact with law enfor.anyway over who knows what, maybe someone could explain to him to stop.This is not major,but needed to be mentioned.
Added.The south end of the mesh fence is still tied to the main fence structure and leans on a diagonal toward this side.We still have posts,cement,the mesh roll and if needed,another 6ft,.4ft.wooden fence piece in the garage.The last attempt to fix that tied up part was derailed by the S/Ws' 'think electrocution' three patrol car visit and a lot of loud lying between the garages.It is impossible to do any work there. Someone should tell Mr.Starr not to lean on or bend that not straight part along with the rest. If they didn't keep trespassing and harassing there after the Sett.Agree to prevent that, that mesh deterrent fence wouldn't be there.They shouldn't have just taken that 3-4 ft.of property to use as theirs from the beginning anyway,let alone to scream at, theaten, and taunt this residency on,while continuing their family fights there,etc.,etc.,for years and years, anyway, no matter how much backup, Hawkins/Oh com.Lias.era, they had.
And remember, this residency got fined $500.00 by the code board over the main fence fiasco. The S/Ws got over the top backup.
That throwing things into the yard thing,a sett.agree.violation,put in for prevention, may have been reinforced by the S/Ws getting away with that 6ft.18ft.piece of shadow box fence being thrown into this yard and left for sometime before it was removed, and Toni,code enfor.'s 'it was their fence,it was your fence,it's not her job to know whose fence it is, someone told them to remove it,someone did not tell them to remove it' explanations when asked for the paperwork. Toni,code enfor. told me that Chief Licata said I could use the Freedom of Information Act if I wanted the papework (?)and Toni never gave me the paperwork. What was that all about? By that time the Chief had become the S/Ws' advocate using really lame excuses for everything the S/Ws had done from the beginning,already explained. See emails.
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7-19-09.Bad mindset.Unnerving.12:30 P.M.Lori,John,and Mel just came out into their backyard audible into this houseporch with Lori complaining she is being harassed, Mel saying 'they have to stay 50 ft. away',and John saying he is going to the prosecutor's office tomorrow.The exact wording in all that situation was not completely discernable. Mr.Starr and John talked near the interior fence part of the time,noticeable.They all like to talk near the interior fence.This was unexpected but probably deliberately noticeable.
Even with all the work done in place to stop it, they will still try to cause trouble.This isn't anything we should have to worry about anymore,but the S/Ws have always had law enfor.covering for them.They may be trying to counteract the violations process for the Sett.Agree.They violated every part of that Sett.Agree.,know it,and were very brazen about it.
There is a very big iguana problem here,the same iguanas moving among four yards,the worst problem being they try to relieve themselves in or right next to this pool and they keep coming back to do it no matter how many times you chase them away.Yesterday, I went outside three times to the pool and was saying," Get out!"while I chased the biggest one actually one time around the pool twice.This was within 15 minutes.The big one got back anyway on the fourth try and relieved itself on the south end of the pool before I got out there,and I chased it away from there probably still saying "Get Away"! I noticed Lori was in their pool while I was in and out of the backyard. chasing the iguana away.I kind of had a bad feeling she might try to say I was yelling at her as they try to use anything they can.
If that's the situation,anyone can just refer to this blog to find out what happened.That's why the web and blog were put up and will have to stay up for prevention for a long long time.Mindset.They shouldn't have gotten so much over the top protection.Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.?
7-22-09.ADDED: 7-20-9.Lori and Mr.Starr, early evening ,their backyard,again plotting something to do.I believe they did try to do something somewhere.
I believe,7-19-09, they all were also plottng their 'iguana thing' which turned out, of course, to be as irritating as they could be right at this interior backyard fence,where they probably still want to be as irritating as possible anyway,but they just haven't had an excuse.
The S/Ws' Iguana Solution:The S/Ws have a large overgrown Brazilian tree in the southwest corner of their backyard, bordering on this property, taking up about 1/4 of their backyard, with the same garbage and debis under it for years which they never pick up, where the iguanas and rats habitat and breed,coming over to this property.The iguanas actually cross to this property, climb a tree,and sit on this roof, daily.Lori was complainng about the iguanas in their backyard a lot.
So, their solution is to come running outside when they see one and spray it with something up to this interior fence until it goes to this property, not back under their tree.7-21-09.early evening.I was sitting at the edge of this pool and there was a lot of the the S/Ws loud talking and going back and forth and John came running out holding some sort of spraying device and he sprayed and sprayed right right up to and at this interior fence until the iguana went on this side. And he stood at the interior fence directly across from where I was sitting,not to the left or right,the pool is 8 ft. from the interior fence,still doing it. I wasn't exactly sure what he was using, so I got up and went into the house.John is scary up close.He is juvenile and belligerent and never stopped expressing loudly that everything they did was ok, and he and all of them had the backup and reinforcement.
It's unnerving to have him running right up to the interior fence whenever when you're sitting there after all he's done to really harass and help harass right there, let alone the rest, trespassing and harassing between the garages and driveways ,banging, threatening, yelling, trespassing with a video camera, lying to law enfor.,etc.,for years. He got away with it.They all did. And they know it. Most people in LHP have no idea what it's like to be bullied,harassed,and stalked like that,let alone not knowing then that their taxes were paying to keep it up while private residents were paying to try to stop it.
I think they,S/Ws, just want to do something irritating they can get away with at this interior fence and probably try to blame this residency for the whole iguana problem.
But,chasing them with spray directly and deliberately into this interior fence until they go into this yard is unacceptable.
They just go back under their,S/Ws', tree again.It isn't even a real solution,just another way to bother this residency.
This is minor compared to all they have done, but needs to be mentioned as update.It is still unnerving to have them right at that interior fence again.They were staying away.
They also have a large piece of 6 ft.shadowbox fence,southwest corner,backyard,left over,from the old fence, which they never removed, hanging from one post right up to this property which probably should be taken down.
This latest thing is minor, but not petty,as the S/Ws always seem to find some way to continually bother this residency and complain about this residency at the same time. Mindset. It's a good thing the website and blog are up, or there would still be lying aboot this whole thing from the beginning.
Updating these minor incidents is not meant to in any way to diminish the the full capacity of everything the S/Ws did, directly targeting for over nine years with horrific incidents, but there are some people who like to take incidents out of context to still try to cover this whole thing up and downplay it by refering to the tivial type incidents to try to trivialize the whole thing.They should stop trying to do that. These minor incidents go with the the big picture.They're just not as intense as the rest.They,trivial type incidents, will continue to be mentioned as they are part of a predictable pattern.
And this is is for prevention,as the S/Ws were/are continually looking for people to help them harass us.A reminder, with everything they were already getting from LHP, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, during the citris situation,they called citris enfor.saying they were worried about contamination from this residency and we didn't even have any citris.They showed up, the S/Ws waiting for them,anything to get someone over here. It is always a problem, what they will do. Mindset.Reinforced protected mindset.
If it wasn't for emailing,the internet,the website, and the blog, it would still be going on.The tenacious harassment stop is still expressed as appreciated..
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This is not meant as an a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help
7-24-09.Fri.early eveing.Andy and I are sitting in the backyard getting ready to go into the pool. Lori comes right out and sprays and sprays a lot at this interior fence right where we are sitting,not to the left or right. There were no iguanas where we were sitting and none came running over here.I think she just wanted to bother us with the 'S/Ws' iguana solution' excuse.This was too much spraying.They would be better served to clean out the debris from under that big tree in their backyard all the way to the south fence and use all that spray there where the iguanas habitat.
But that isn't where we sit or use the pool.This isn't trivial. It is a pattern to do something to this residency.They don't seem to spray this interior fence when no one is in this backyard.When they chase the iguanas back under their tree,7-25-09, they use a broom,not spray.
Remember,she did get away with over a year of spraying,water,at this backyard up to the house windows and screaming while she did it and theatening that she would do it.To be continued.cc: blog. All final editing done on the blog.
ADDED.8-03-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have tried to help.
'Iguana hunt' possibly considered trivial.Trespassing with video camera question and situations already explained.
8-02-09.3P.M.I am in the pool,home alone.John comes out slams his door and runs fast across his backyard right up to this interior fence right where I was in the pool.I was so startled I almost blurted out,"What are you doing?" but I did not.
As it turns out, John was 'iguana chasing', but the iguana did not come into this yard. It turned south and went back under their tree.This is still startling,him running so fast across their backyard,right up to this fence, not knowing what he is going to do.
Remember, John had years of yelling ,threatening ,and trespassing ,with law enfor. protection and he was very belligerent that he could and would do it,even with the Sett.Agree.to prevent it,after almost 6 years of doing it before the Sett.Agree. That fence had to be put up between the garages to stop him and the others from trespasing and harsassing there, and they really tried to keep that 3-4 ft. of property that they just taken and used as theirs, calling law enfor.and getting patrol cars here at least three time trying to stop that fence from going up. The S/Ws are a lot of work..
On one occasion,pre- fence between the garages,Lori, Mr.Starr and Mark stood trespassing, yelling at,and threatening this residency, north side,trying to provoke Andy into a two party argument and they called law enfor.on him. When he went outside to see what was going on, as the loud screaming was too close to this garage and driveway, John was outside too, trespassing with a video camera ,trying to get any kind of a reaction they could from Andy, even though the other three were still continually yelling,threatening,and trespassing while he was filming. Andy didn't say anything but he probably did look mad. Law enfor.of course did nothing about that,as it was part of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies to protect the S/Ws. For a long time,the S/Ws tried to us and distribute that video and probably still are, trying to say they were harassed. John was especially vocal about yelling anytime he wanted that they had that video for proof.
Did anyone ever ask him if he was trespassing when he was filming and what was going on when he was filming? I have the audio and the explanations on the website for that and the days after it, as Lori continued behind the interior fence screaming, taunting, etc., until there was a loud family argument that she may have been caught on camera lying about that and they went back to just fighting with each other for a while as they were worried about the civil ramifications about lying about that and to the police again.
This is the mentality that got all the law enfor. protection. (?)
The mindset is still unnerving. It is scary when John charges this fence.It's only 8 ft. off the pool.Can someone ask him about trespasing with that video camera and about that video they're probably still trying to use every time something new comes up about what they've done? How many other times did he do that? The S/Ws' now constant daily preoccupation with this 'iguana hunt', a lot of discussions and running outside,etc.,may be considered trivial,but it still needs to be mentioned,as it still seems as another way to bother this residency along with it, though by far not the worst, and not to be taken out of context to use to trivialize the whole thing. Someone will try to do that. cc :Blog.All final editing done on blog.
8-03-09.ADDED.Approx.3-3:30P.M.I was in the pool alone.John and Lori came outside and John chased an iguana right up to this interior fence,to this side,banging this fence so it wouldn't go back to their side, right where I was in the pool. He left and the iguana just went right back into their yard.
This residency already has a daily problem with them coming here to relieve themselves at the south end of this pool,and it isn't necessary for them to chase them right up to this interior fence to go into this side.
I think the chasing and being at this interior fence is more the point.
This is the first time anyone hit this new fence,but not hard as before. Remember that problem?
Let's hope that doesn't escalate as there seems to be a problem in this city with the Sett.Agree.Violations process or with anything the S/Ws want to do.
8-05-09.4:45-5P.M. Mr.Starr and Lori's new thing is to swim to the deep end of their pool which is only feet from this property line,hang on the edge if their pool, facing this residency and talk as loud as they could about this situation and 'yell talk'. I was in the backyard trying to do some yardwork right by the pool.They are very brazen still.I think Lori was annoyed when I came outside and told Mr.Starr that, so they decided to antagonize.
This was clearly to antagonize.I went inside.Then, I took my recorder and camera back outside to the middle of this backyard. Mr. Starr saw it and they both moved complaining about it. This was a very scary thing to do, to look directly at them,because of that -they can do whatever they want and if you look at them they can get a patrol car thing. And I started to worry about that. I went back inside and stayed until 6P.M.
Remember, this is where Lori, with the others,stood for hours and hours, screech singing, talking to,taunting,'yell talking,'and threatening from behind the six foot shadowbox fence when it was up, for years and years as routine,to annoy anyone who tried to use this yard,let alone the banging and screaming there.And remember, Lori used to scream at us and take pictures of us when ever she wanted,and as I said,screaming while she did it ,even after the Sett.Agree.The S/W s never really used the deep end of their pool but Loti would put on floaties so she could be suspended there and screech sing for maximum volume facing this residency.
I've been using the pool and backyard and enjoying it and want to continue.And they never wanted anyone using this yard and were very successful at it with a lot of help.I hope this isn't going to escalate. It was very unnerving to see and hear Mr.Starr encouraging and coaxing this.Lori has been very good at directing the others herself. She doesn't need any encouragement.Why are they getting directly brazen again? More promises of protection,past, present,and future? Taken out of context,this may seem trivial. It isn't. Unnerving mindset. They've gotten too much protection, reinforcement, and backup when they should have been stopped.I hope this isn't going to start escalating with the S/Ws getting protection.We don't have company at all as standard. It's just too much easier for people to go elsewhere and aviod anything here with the S/Ws with their law enfor. protection.The problem with the S/Ws is, with them,you don't just get the S/Ws. With the S/Ws, you get their law enfor. protection, and their law enfor. protection is very.very devoted,while this residency had to put up with it all. cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on the blog.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
The S/Ws are acting up,getting more brazen,8-23-09,Mr.Starr coming outside,backyard, to'yell talk' complaining about the situation with Lori,the first approx.1:30 P.M.,noticeable as it was audible into this sitting room porch and again at approx.3:45 P.M.when I was trying to use the pool alone.The second was way too obvious,loud and long.Lori doesn't need any encouragement to continue this.She has been very capable of running this show all by herself.
This is not trivial.The mindset is still too unnerving,determined, and now probably irreversible.
Later, Lori and John came out and John did his full blast running thing right up to this interior fence chasing an iguana which did not run into this yard anyway but ran right back under their tree.Andy was alone in the pool at the time.Again it is unnerving to see John running full blast up to this interior fence because you don't expect it and don't know what he is going to do,probably the point in getting that close to the interior fence to do something annoying,not necessary,and which doesn't work.Blog after 7-34,8-03,same subject.
8-30-09. Noon.Lori sits in their backyard facing this residency,with an umbrella sideways in front her blocking her from view and turns music on and off soft,but audible into this sitting room porch,and complains when I go into the backyard.She also leaves it on it on louder and longer.This is probably to try to provoke a reaction. If done to taunt and annoy,it does. That extensive and deliberate 2008 cd technique is still not easily forgotten, which was a Sett.Agree.compounded violation no one could put up with and the S/Ws got away with it, and it could just start up all over again. This is still a slippery slope.This was never about just playing music.The mindset is still determined.They would if they could.This has already been explained.Where's the reports for the compounded violations?cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.This blogged after 8-03-09.same subject.
9-07-09.The S/Ws revive an old harassment method. Labor Day 4:45 P.M.I was trying toy sit out by the edge of the pool.Andy was in the house.The S/Ws had a toy mechanical boat which works by remote control which they would run around the deeper end of their pool for closer proximity which makes an extremely loud honking noise sounding almost like a saw, which they would use to harass anyone in this backyard.The S/Ws used this then,intermingled with the other forms of harassment.They do not have to be out with it to use it. I have tapes not yet on the website when Andy and the grandchildren are in the backyard and the honking is so loud you can't even hear them trying to talk to each other.This was/is deliberately to harass and to provoke.Now they are using it again.That was a surprise to see and hear that circling in the deep end of their pool,and a stark reminder of how intense things were as routine. The S/Ws just don't want anyone in this backyard and were very successful at getting that for years with biased backup. Mr.Starr and Lori were home and they both went quickly in and out of both residencies while it was running.They haven't used this for years.They used that extensive repetitive cd technique for all and before 2008 which was worse than hours of this. I got out of the backyard, their point.This is audible into the house,sitting room porch.This particular situation has already been addressed in the emails.inset dates.This is not trivial or picky. It is to annoy and keep this backyard empty.This mindset is very bad and they've gotten a lot of reinforcement that they can do what they want.This deliberate loud honking thing is something no one would want to hear again after just one session and especially not over and over.The S/Ws don't even stay out with it.It's the same as a deliberate repetitive tape technique,that slippery slope.It probably is a violation,the frequency,timing,and lengths to be kept aware of because it could go on for hours instead of the cd technique.The well protected S/Ws are getting brazen again. They knew they would get covered on the Sett.Agree. Violations and did,and putting up with all that was intolerable while they gloated.Again this is not trivial. It is to annoy and taunt,and it does.Bad reinforced mindset. This issue to be continued.......Complaining about a mechanical boat may appear 'crank' and that had to be considered so as not to in any way minimize the big picture,but it is a device to make a loud repetitive noise and was used for that when the made tapes and cds weren't used.The S/Ws are good with devices.cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.blogged after7-24,8-03,same subject.
9-10-09. Again,the candyapple red 1978 Granada parked at the south side of this residency is tagged and insured and runs.If anyone is interested it will be sold but this takes someone who specifically wants that kind if vehicle.This appears to be the latest S/Ws' endeavor to complain about this residency and to get paid city employees to run around in circles for them,again. Code enfor.,patrol cars, have already checked that vehicle out,one parking diagonally on this easement to do so. A few weeks ago, a young LHP public works employee with a public works vehicle and in uniform pulled up and knocked on this kitchen door, not the outside porch door or the front door with doorbells, and inquired about the vehicle, kind of implying he wanted to buy it,but slipped up when he said he 'was tired of seeing it there'.I don't remember his name but he had tatoos on his lower leg.He said he would check back in two weeks and I called public works in about that time to say it was still available for their worker if he wanted it. There has been a long nine year history in LHP of young city employees, patrol cars, etc.usually with no financial residential responsibilities of their own,helping the S/Ws bother, harass, and ruin this residency,as paid city employees,and the younger they were, the more insulting it was. 9-10-09.Lori could be heard yelling in her backyard,'it's still there'. Shortly,there was a city public works employee, orange vest,vehicle in street, talking loud enough on his cell phone between the interior garages it was audible into this house as to how it was noticed, saying something to the effect, all was not discernable,that it was not at that residency but between 3540 and 3520,at the south side by the pole.Again, paid city employees should not be running around in circles to service the S/Ws, but this was definitely established during the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era from the beginning and adhered to. And young training cops needed to train on something. This is the anniversary of 9-11,and on that day,with all there was to think about,Lori still went in and out to scream at and threaten this residency at this interior fence for hours with all the S/Ws home.audio web date.There was no one to help with this,with well established Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies that this could be done.The S/Ws have a long well remembered history of biased protection and cover up. cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ cick BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
9-16-09.I had been in and out of this backyard.Lori and John came out and really complained about me being out there.Mr Starr came out.Then,3:45 P.M.,the 'honking boat' started up, at about 1/3 to 1/2 the volume, with Mr.Starr and Lori staying out with it this time.I got out of the backyard Even at that volume, it is still a repetitive device,and a slippery slope into that big mess again. I immediately started emailing before it went to full volume and they went inside and left it on,the usual procedure. Instead, it stayed at that volume and they stayed out with it,45 minutes.About 35 minutes into this,I heard someone say," What is that umbrella for?" and Mr.Starr said," So Gail can't look at Lori." At that time my computer wasn't working and I was dealing with that because I really wanted to email to stop this from escalating,so I didn't look to see who was talking to Mr.Starr. Later,I thought, what if that was someone from the city who only saw a toy boat at average volume with people outside with it? The city/law enfor, has always tried to minimize or deny anything it could to cover for the S/Ws and here was a good way to do that to minimize the big picture. This was a deliberate harassing loud device used when the tapes/cds weren't being used. It is probably time to put those tapes on the audio web, when the noise was so loud, Andy couldn't talk to the grandchildren in the backyard, the point,and that was done for hours Now it's back. Anyone who listened to that thing deliberately blasting over and over would not want to hear it even at a lower volume.Anyone who put up with all of 2008, would not want to hear anything repetitive.This should not be minimized.This is a slippery slope.The whole thing could just start up all over again and slowly has.cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
9-17-09.1:40 P.M.Mr.Starr again exits on wrong side of the road.
9-21-09.The beige Lincoln Continental parked in this north driveway is tagged,insured,and runs.The owner has two residencies,one on the beach on Hillsboro Mile and one up north.This is the vehicle used only while in FL.and it needs to be started and run while he's gone.Today, I started it up just as Lori and John came into their driveway,Lori from their house and John driving in.They had a bit of a discussion and it appears that that was going to be the next complaint endeavor.I went into the pool and Mr.Starr made it a point to be outside backyard to talk loudly on his cell phones,car gist,all was not discernable,as if he wanted me to hear.
The S/Ws for years took down license plates of people coming here and tried to cause trouble such as yelling that they tried to run them off the road someplace else,etc.,etc.,even if the people were in their 70's. No one was immune.It is hoped they are not going to bother that owner, but the situation with the S/Ws is known outside this city and has been for since the beginning.One woman, this car owner's neighbor, really upset and paying attention to the situation through the early years finally told her son,Mr.Wayne Hizenga's, check spelling, personal business attorney and he said to get in touch with him to see if he could help and he kept an open line for weeks.He couldn't believe this had one on for that long.This was late 05,after the horriffic early 05 situation when the S/Ws were really fierce and invincible and we needed a really good atty.He did try but he was a civil business atty and his contacts were civil.We finally just hired a really good dual atty.we got ourselves to stop the problem,which was disregarded by law enfor. and the city.
Anyway, the car is explained and it is hoped no one gets bothered by the S/Ws about it.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
Note:The above emails,03,05,24,etc.are not irrelevent and picky.When I ask about the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process,and the S/Ws know and are reassured they have law enfor. protection against this,they get more brazen.They were really brazen about this especially during the over year long cd technique when they knew law enfor./city would override the Sett.Agree.and cover for them.
NOTE:The above emails are same subject,moderate to minor harassment,but continuing mindset,with law enfor. and city protection
7-09. Due to an incident in another state with complications, there is now a lot of discussion over the disorderly laws and the wide latitude of interpretation which may result in law enfor.abuse. At least the S/Ws can't really complain about that.
Two completely different interpretations,one incident up north and years and years of incidents down here.
Due to the volume of consistent unavoidable calls by a lot of people complaining about the S/Ws, there was one disorderly,$50.00 fine, after months of this, 4-3-2000.
The S/Ws just immediately continued the same,as fiercely as ever,even while dealing with that pending case, and actually then really complained about that.The general routine,- targeted harassing, stalking, trespassing, etc,etc.,etc.,and their horrific family fights never stopped, and continued for years, the S/Ws doing the same thing.over and over.They got a lot of law enfor. backup, coverup,and protection, just reinforcing the problem. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia.era.
Others continued to complain for about 1year,to no avail, and gave up. The S/Ws had law enfor. protection.
I still compained a lot, as this residency was directly targeted,all nornal usase of this residency was lost, and there was no choice, complaining that this was still going on with all the S/Ws,and this was really intense,regular,really intolerable for anyone,and this was ridiculously obvious, and Det.Hawkins got mad and snapped back,"I arrested her.What do you want me to do,shoot her?", ignoring the problem with all of them doing it.
Two completely diffrerent situations and interpretations, -the one incident in another state and the years and years of the one here.This one should have been handled in a maximum of six months. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era and policies.
Note:After 2and1/2 years of directly talking to and leaving mesages for law enfor.,I started saving the messages.audio website.The S/Ws started directly targeting this residency in Dec.99,and I had been talking to Det.Hawkins since then.I asked him what he had done with all the calls and he said he erased them.
7-25-09. Mayor F.Schorr, Commander M.Oh should not still be salaried. He and Det.L.Hawkins had over 5 and 1/2 years to stop the harassing and stalking.They didn't. And there's the lying. Then,the Chief got 'involved' trying to cover up the mess they made and he can't, the finale being, 'The S/Ws-Year 2008', until the Det.L.Hawkins Keeper Days' award and the tenacious harassment stop.Who ran/runs this city-them? This residency wasn't exactly simultaneously salaried to put up with all that.Thank you.
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7-20-09. Editorial. Deerfield Forum,
Re:The City of Lighthouse Point,Fl.
Law enfor.and the city should still not be trying to disregard and coverup over nine years of harassment and stalking,costing the victims tens of thousand of dollars in legal fees and lack of any normal usage of a residency, and Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,(8-06)arguing that the city is not liable for the negligent acts of govt.workers, should not have had so much pull in the city. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for emails.Thank you. Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E. 28 Ave. LHP 33064 954-943-4386
6-06-09.Sat.afternoon.2P.M.Mr.Starr enters N.E 28th Ave.on wrong side of the road.Andy and I were in the west front yard.
6-08-09.9A.M.Mr. Starr enters N.E.28Ave.from the wrong side of the road visible from this north dining room window..A truck heading south on N.E.28 Ave.was able to see him there before turning left into 35th Ct.so it was a careful turn for that truck. Vehicles heading north on 28th Ave.turning right into 35 Ct. do not have this visibility to see him there before turning especially if he is only half way between his residency and 28 Ave.and still on 35 Ct.This is not fair to those vehicles.
I believe this 'wrong side of the road thing' started when Mr.Starr decided to drive out by the north side of this residency to get as close as he could get up to the easement to give this residency the finger, and to be really noticed doing it,as for years before that all the S/Ws exited on the proper side of the road.Then he just continued doing it without giving this residency the finger.The finger situation is not the issue.The S/Ws have done that anywhere they saw us even from the proper side of the road as standard behavior. The safety factor is the issue.
The S/Ws accuse what they are actually doing. The S/Ws called in to complain that Andy had harassed them and given them the finger when we didn't even know they were there.That was the Pompano K Mart situation ,insert date and email date, which was a lot of time consuming work.I had called in to complain about the deliberate blasting tapes, pre-Sett.Agree.,no help of course,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policies after the 05 input, too close to this interior fence,the S/Ws not outside with it, when I heard about that.This has already been explained.
5-13-09.Website Explanation unfinished,lengthy,insert to middle, finish,edit,add,insert dates, .....................Hawkins/Oh/Com. Lias.era.The very beginning: The harassment and stalking were too fierce and vicious and the S/Ws' harassing called patrol car visits while they were doing this were too unbelievable.I went to the police station,insert date,to talk to Det.Hawkins about both and I just mentioned I was afraid of the police,no specifics given. Big mistake.The harassment and stalking continued as did the S/Ws harassing patrol calls with it. Andy tried to mow the strip of lawn,interior border out to north along this driveway,the part left that that S/Ws hadn't already taken as theirs which they mowed.Lori came outside,their front yard,really screaming loud she was being stalked and harassed and her mother came outside with her as her witness,and she called the police on him and two patrol cars showed up insert date.additional cassette available. We tried to explain we needed help but it went nowhere. Mr.Starr continued the harassment when he came home.See 'the story',website.
I called Det.Hawkins about this two patrol car visit and the 'think' policy was explained,that 'if Lori thought staring was stalking'........she could call for patrol cars. (?) There was no was to stop this situation or get any help. The 'think 'policy continued through 2008 when Lori 'thought' rifle and the S/Ws 'thought' electrocution and the Chief thought that that was still all right too.
05.After the 2005 input,I tried to explain that if the policies,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.,instated at the beginning, continued,the problem would never be solved.
05.Com.Lias./law enfor.using newer ofcs. explains that the police have to go out on every call because if they don't and something happens,the city could be sued.
0.,Atty. E Bruce Johnson argues that the city is not liable for the negligent acts of govt.workers.
Nice agenda.
There is still the question as to how the S/Ws got so much law enfor. protection from the time they moved in.
There is still the question as to why Det.L.Hawkins,Commander M.Oh, and the S/Ws got so much control in this city using every facility to continue.
It isn't right that this residency had to spent so much time and money to stop both while being continually victimized.
Unfortunately,ethics and law enforcement are not always considered synonymous and people of a certain ilk can use that circumstance.cc: blog
Add.There is an element of horror to all this.When we and others would be gasping ind astounded in disbelief after any of the S/Ws' incidents-screaming,harassing,their called in patrol visits,no help,etc.,this was the payoff for the S/Ws, watching and listening to the the reactions when it was realized by us and others that they could and did get away with it all,and they gloated. That was a big part of their harassment style and satisfaction,that they could get away with all this this,no matter how over the top,and watching reactions to being really stuck and upset by this,that aspect alone too alarming. They always knew what they were doing and how to get it.There is a big disparity between the way law enfor.described/s the S/Ws and the way they really were/are.
Add. If there is any question as to why a fence was not put up from the beginning between the garages and extending north between the driveways to 35th Ct. to stop the trespassing and harassing there and to reclaim the 3-4 ft. the S/Ws had just taken and used as theirs,please be reminded that the interior backyard fence and the fence and gate extending out on a diagonal from this garage to meet the interior backyard fence were already being beat on regularly as regular routine harassment and that continued for over 51/2 years.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era. And also,any time any work or repair work was done at this residency, the S/Ws called for patrol cars saying it bothered them,especially at the interior border,and that was another big annoying harassment issue that would have to be dealt with.
Approx.5 months after the ignored Sett.Agree.,spring 06,an orange mesh fence,a good visual aid, was put between the garages to stop the trespassing and harassment there which law enfor. could not overrule.The S/Ws did call and get patrol cars over here over that saying the work on it and it bothered them but they really just didn't want to give up the 3-4 ft.of property they had just taken and used as theirs for years even with a Sett.Agree.to keep them out and to stop them from trespassing and harassing there.They just should have just stopped trespassing and harassing there after the Sett.Agree.but they really had been invincible and not getting what they wanted no matter how outrageous was not an option with them. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era protection.
That remained for over a year,check dates,and was replaced by a green mesh fence with standard cemented posts and the S/Ws then did not attempt to beat on the posts. Neighbors directly across the street,35th Ct., had direct visibility to the S/Ws' trespassing and harassing for years and could hear the screaming for years.There was no stopping it as the S/Ws' law enfor. protection was impenetrable.If there is any notion of ineptness on the part of this residency to solve this problem,please be reminded that this problem involved the S/Ws and their law enfor.and combined, it was too formidable.
Were the S/Ws ever directly asked if they were trespassing before and for about 5 months after the Sett.Agree.until that fence was put up? There was approx. five feet of bushes running along their garage out to that fence and that had to be trimmed so they could so they could get through on their side after that fence was put up.Are they actually trying to say they were always in those bushes?
Were the S/Ws ever directly asked if they were trespassing along with harassing, -screaming,screaming threats, taunting,,banging,etc. there before and for approx. 5 months after the Sett.Agree.? Just because law enfor.let them do it before the Sett.Agree.does not mean they could do it after the Sett.Agree. unless the Sett.Agree.was disregareded. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policies.
Were the S/Ws not asked because the Sett.Agree. addresses the S/Ws lying on reports and reports are necessary for the process? What were Det.L.Hawkins and Com.M.Oh doing before and after the Sett.Agree. besides sending out newer misinformed ofcs.to try and cover up the mess they made with this?-which was impossible because the S/Ws were not going to stop, even to cover for them covering them,and the S/Ws did continue all through 2008,throughout all the coverup attempts now by the Chief. And this still residency still had to put up with it all which was still intolerable by any normal standards as the S/Ws violated the Sett.Agree.with their extensive deliberate cd technique and the rest.
Sent5-28-09 The website and blog need to be finished,edited,more added,and reorganized for better clarity.This is an endeavor that will not be immediately done as double shoulder replacement with complications is inevitable and must be started.This should have been started over nine months ago,but being stuck in any kind of incapacitating recovery period with daily deliberate torture cds along with the rest was not going to happen.There have been about four months of appreciated harassment stop after nine years.Let's hope it does not start up again,the situation still tenacious as the S/Ws' mindset is still determined, unnerving, and probably irreversible,and the situaton is still controlled by local law enfor. not the Sett.Agree.to stop and prevent all that.There is still the fear/reality that this could just start up all over again. cc: blog.All final editing done on blog.www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ click BLOG on the homepage
Sent. The Settlement Agreement.The S/Ws immediately violated every part of the Sett.Agee.from the beginning when it was instated and continued extensively while the Chief was directly 'handling 'this .Where are the reports necessary for the process? I don't think the Chief or law enfor. were hired to work exclusively for the S/Ws,but that is what happened no matter how obvious or fumbling.It does not appear the the S/Ws' mindset to continue is reversible.The harassment stop after nine years is really appreciated but it is still tenacious,as it is still controlled by local law enfor. There needs to be something outside the city. Was there any situation where the S/Ws were told there would be no reports in exchange for stopping? This residency had to put up with all of it. 2008 was a really intolerable year,after many other intolerable years.
After the 05 input,the Chief said the S/Ws' screaming,targeted screaming,for hours,was unacceptable behavior and would not be tolerated. I wondered then how he got that then as that had been standard policy for over five and a half years. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policy era.The S/Ws got around that anyway by targeted screaming at shorter lengths and spurts and at intervals, which was still disarming when it happened,and still while trespassing.Being involved with this may not be a mayoral situation,but something more should have been done about this before and besides the 06 Atty.E.Bruce Johnson reply.
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6-05-09. Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations' process? The Chief probably thought,during the entire year of 2008, that he could just wait until that year,another one, was over and just say well that was 'in the past' and nothing was 'written', his standard substandard way of handling all this,- except this residency really had to put up with all of it and that isn't so easily forgotten, especially just as a convenience for everyone else who shouldn't have let it happen in the first place.
There is no excuse that the S/Ws got so much biased preferential treatment for years and years and years. No one else in LHP could get away with what they did for even over a month.This situation needs to be further studied and investigated and not by another city/law enfor./code enfor.whitewash where technicalities are misconstrued and taken out of context to try for a quick fix excuse for all this.
It is equally insulting to have to run the risk of this starting up all over again by daring to complain about it, because after all, the people who let it happen do not have to put up with it, intolerable for anyone, and it is good leverage to keep someone from complaining.
The S/Ws' mindset is still unnerving,determined, and probably now irreversible.There is a real fear/reality that all this could just start up all over again and they will get the protection to do it.
The Sett.Agree. was a necessary avenue for protection to stop and prevent all this without worrying about it starting up again. What happened before and after it?
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6-14-09.11:45A.M.Mr. Starr leaves on the wrong side of the road not hugging this easement visible from the north dining room window.The standard excuse that the police can't be everywhere or do everything doesn't hold with the S/Ws' situation,not after all their over the top patrol car calling and constant law enfor.attention and protection for years.They probably still are in contact with the police. Someone could have told him to stop.
6-20-09.1:40P.M. Mr. Starr leaves again on the wrong side this time very slowly hugging this easement waiting to see what a car on 28th Ave.was going to do, this visible through the north dining room window.They probably are still in contact with law enfor.over something.They always have been.Someone could have told him to stop.
6-27-09.Sat.12:45P.M. Mr. Starr again enters 28th Ave.from the wrong side of the road,hugging this easement and stopping there waiting to see what a vehicle on 28th Ave was doing,visible from this north dining room window.The S/Ws are in all probability still regularly talking to law enfor. Why doesn't someone just tell him to stop?.
The S/Ws have always been in constant contact with law enfor.,their user friendly law enfor.,always available for them for all their own whims.
The S/Ws actually got law enfor.to their residency very late one night,insert date,complaining that someone could look or was looking in their windows,that event noticable to this residency after the noise,lights,activity,people talking,in their backyard and one ofc.loudly saying that he couldn't do anything about people looking in their windows.That was when the S/Ws were really complaining about making this residency put up that interior fence.We didn't know anything about it until the noise in their backyard and we were not even outside for hours before that. I did get up and turn on the garage and backyard lights after that.The S/Ws did get the instructions and paperwork for puting up the fence themselves,that apparent when Lori was in their backyard waving it around loudly complaining that it was too much work for them.Note: 2008.I was surprised and did not expect it when someone who had taken an interest in the printedout emails,not yet blogged,for some time,finally blurted out to a few people in front of me that the John in the emails was the John she had had her own situation with in another city.You could tell by the look on her face while she was talking about it that this was the real deal, kind of a stunned astonishment. I then remembered that years ago,John in their backyard,had been yelling and loudly talking about a women,none of it good,and had yelled her name.I didn't know what that was all about then.
The S/Ws cross all lines,ones you don't expect having been done without any real jusitifiable provocation with no control over what provoked them. Once you have to deal with them you just don't want to do it anymore.Law enfor. crossed all lines by becoming their protective advocates,from the years of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era through and after 2008.
6-22-09. CD technique.
I've been using the backyard and pool and Andy has been using the pool after work.This probably irks the S/Ws as they have been able to effectively stop this for years. 6-20-09.Sat. afternoon.I had been using the backyard and pool.Lori came outside sat in a chair direcly facing this residency and turned soft music on and off almost as if she was waiting and looking to evoke and watch a response from me,something she has done before. I did.I stood up and looked directly back at her.The music did not come back on and shortly after she went inside. I believe I did this about two weeks ago,directly staring,when there was on and off soft music in the S/W's backyard and I couldn't see exactly where it was coming from as Lori was going in and out.It stopped then too after that.
This is a scary thing to do because the S/Ws have long maintained that looking back at them when they are harassing is harassing at them and they could call patrol cars over.And they had the backup. Luckily no patrol cars showed up. But she probably called in and they probably has been doing that all along.
That deliberate harssing made repetitive cd technique used extensively to torture for the entire year of 2008 left an indelible impression,not yet erased. That's not counting the same thing done really blasted the entire holiday season of 2007,Nov.through Dec.,when this started to be extensively and exclusively used,when there were children and company here,which really bothered the children,Lori coming outside to announce, 'Hope this isn't bothering your party',with full confidence LHP would protect them and override the Sett.Agee.to prevent this which LHP did.
Again, that's an indelible impression and the mindset hasn't seemed to change. There's always the fear/reality that it could just start up all over again as this situation is controlled by law enfor. not by the Sett. Agree.violations process.
This is a slippery slope It was never just about playing music.I think the S/Ws like the idea that just taunting with it causes an upset reaction, which it does as that was absolutely intolerable alone and after all the preceeding events for years.
I put off surgery in Dec.,the last month for that surgeon as he was going into a different network Jan.1, as I didn't want to be stuck in any incapacitating recovery period listening to those deliberate repetitive torture cds. It was bad enough here already with that intolerable technique without trying to put up with it with this added situation.And I always have complications with an inability to tolerate standard daily doses of medication. If I had known they,cd techniques, were going to go off, the plans would have been different,but no one told me. Feeling somewhat assured that this might not start up after a few months,the medical,which was really necessary was started but not without a lot if work as this required a different surgeon,medical group,etc. and all that goes with it,waiting for referrals, same tests over,etc.I actually ended up with 4 xrays on the same shoulder before this first surgery because of different networking and the time lapse. If the S/Ws are reading this blog, it is probably with satisfaction over all the extra work as watching this residency reel in astonishment over what they could get away with and watching this residency really scrambling and working to try to counteract it, is part of the payoff. And they gloated,loudly. The S/Ws always also accused/accuse what they were/are really doing as standard.If they read this they will probably say that was being done to them,so I am stating this principle upfront.
Dealing with standard life and medical problems is enough without trying to figue out how to counteract the over the top S/Ws and their law enfor. at the same time. People not in this situation may have a hard time realizing or even envisioning this and how all encompassing, overwhelming, and time consuming that second situation becomes along with dealing with the first.
Again,- the cd technique,with the Sett.Agree. to prevent it.Various attempts to restart it,even if it is just a taunt that it could restart to annoy,are taken very seriously.This has been proven over and over to be a very slippery deliberate slope. cc:blog. All final editing on blog.
6-10-9. Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations? Just because the Chief decided it wasn't going to happen does not mean it isn't a valid legal process. I believe the first five and one half years of targeted harassment, stalking, trespassing, etc.,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, before the 05 input and agenda based response, were enough biased protection for the S/Ws. They didn't need another over three more years of it after the Sett.Agree. Although any atty can be grabbed to say he doesn't have to do do it.What his his motive in not doing it? Thank you.
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During 2008,when complaining about the daily deliberate intolerable harassmernt repetitive cds with an instated Sett.Agree.to prevent it,and discussing the fence situation,the Chief told me I was acting as if there was a vast right wing conspiracy out to get me. (?) He needed better writers.He also told me to stop harassing people with the emails or he would keep sending the police over if I didn't stop.When I questioned the term harassing, he quickly changed it. I didn't stop emailing and the rest has already been explained. There again was the problem of having to be nice to someone because of their law enfor. position even though while getting directly flim flamed and while still putting up with the daily deliberate harassment.
6-12-09. For the past few days, there has been a lot of noticable going back and forth between the 2 houses and door slammimgs,Lori announcing outside early last evening when I was tryng to use this backyard that 'things were going to change around here'! Very unnerving mindset. Also unnerving was/is laws enfor.who protects and covers for them.
The S/Ws are probably reading the blog about asking for the reports,and will,as standard,be acting up to try to counteract that which has worked for them in the past.They knew the Sett.Agree.was for protection and prevention and they just openly gloated when it was disregarded. They've always been invincible by protection.
6-11-09 C.O.P.S.was just honored,the annual 'thank you' ceremony,with a writeup in a local paper,'On Society','Thank you,COPs',and it was reported mention was made of one volunteer's yrs.by Chief Licata, also the Chief's picture in the column. C.O.P.S.was set up under the Chief, Det.L.Hawkins and now Sgt.Chris Oh receiving the joint Ofcs.of the Year award for setting it up during one of the worst years the residency endured with,of course,no help from law enfor.to stop it,pre Sett.Agree.Two Keeper Days' Celebrations ago,08, I saw this volunteer with another,both in uniform,going back to and getting into their car parked directly across the street on 35th Ct.and I went outside to say hello to them as we had been neighbors,and they both almost at the same time said, "We have to go.We're only here for the Keepers Days' Celebration,just to watch the park,only for that!" repeated that and left.I didn't bring up the harassment situation, this was a hello thing,but they certainly left before it could be. Did someone tell COPS not to get involved with any of that or misinform them from the beginning,as say maybe the founders? Or did they just personally not want to get involved again having already put up with the S/Ws before they targeted this residency.This residency wasn't getting help anyway,as policy.This was during the beginning months,08,of that deliberate harassing cd technique with the instated Sett.Agree. to prevent it and I had started the emails as the only avenue for help,this technique probably subdued,check emails, somewhat that weekend due to the celebration,park activity,and all the cars parked on both sides of 35th Ct. Note: It hadn't been so easy in the past In the early years,if there was any music or activity in that park,or anywhere in general, the S/Ws felt compelled to compete with it, so this residency got caught between two music systems,besides the deliberate blasting static radio,made tapes,etc.,etc.done in general along with all the rest.
After the 05 input,when the mayor's wife pulled up in her COPS' car and COPS' uniform and announced that we should have moved,it was startling.This seemingly inappropriate callous remark with no apologies given was just the tip of the iceberg with what had been going on and unfortunately what would continue to go on with the problem of the S/Ws and their law enfor.and the LHP position. Aug.06.When the mayor and the then Commission President were notified via atty. that there was a very big problem with the S/Ws and law enfor.,the reply was the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson argument. I do not think this would have gone one for over a month if the S/Ws lived next door to the mayor's residency,even if they were not directly targeted, let alone the rest.The horiffic family fights, screaming , banging, blasting,etc.alone would have been stopped even if Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. said it was alright although they probably wouldn't have said it was alright if it was happening there.I do not believe they would have had constant patrol car visits there with what the S/Ws 'thought'.I do not believe the 'stalking is staring' thing would have been used.How can you not look at people who are screaming at each other and people who are screaming directly at you? I do not think they would have had to put up with the deliberate harassing made repetitive cds for the entire year of 2008 after all the preceeding,with or without a Sett.Agree.to stop it,because the Chief said it was alright although he probably wouldn't have said that if it was happening there. Who actually was running this city? besides the S/Ws. This was/is a modern horror story.
There was some sort of recognition,award,'thank you 'mention for code enfor.in a standard printed article.about a month or two ago,insert date, Nothing was ever printed about the $18,000.00 lien and $500.00 paid fine on this residency.That might have involved explaining that in LHP it's ok to smash a fence for over 5 and1/2 years until it comes down and to scream and harass in others ways while doing that.It might have involved explaining all of it.
6-12-09.As contributing columnist/reporter for The Deerfield Observer, 'Sandy On Society', Sandra Johnson's column is fun,amusing, and an insight into the pleasant and well structured living of LHP.
However,as acting city commissioner with privy and associations with the inner management of LHP,who protected and covered up this nine year harassment and stalking situation,people and agencies appearing regularly in this column, there could be the appearance of obvious,disingenuous conflict of interest in doing both at the same time.Easy accesssibility to a usuable format for good city PR is an asset. See www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP
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6-19-09.Chief Licata seemed very capable of discussing and arguing for financial specifics during a recent city meeting with Commissioners. This capability appeared to be mising when discussing anything about the nine year harassing and stalking situation,especially the explanations given by him during 2008. It does not seem likely he could be of two intellects. Maybe he was told what to say at that meeting. Or maybe the dumbed down explanations given for that whole mess were deliberate.
There seems to be very big concern that the LHPPD is allocated. And there seems to be very little concern for resident/victims spending tens of thousand of dollars to counteract the mess the LHPPD made out of a standard textbook harassing and stalking situation,with really lame excuses given for it.
The mindset is still bad and the harassment stop tenacious as it is still controlled by law enfor.and they could just both start up again. cc:blog
6-29-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
6-29-09.Mayor Schorr,All,
Re: Chief Licata 's contract renewed,recommended and praised by Mayor Schorr,praised by city officials,The Deerfield Observer,6-25-09
Please be reminded that after over 5 and 1/2 years of over the top harassment and stalking by the S/Ws protected by the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies, the Chief continued for over 3 and 1/2 years trying to cover this up and protect the S/Ws, and allowed all in 2008 to happen,a completely unnecessary amd intolerable year by anyone's standards.This is not praiseworthy law enforcement.This is biased,agenda based, inappropriate law enfor.This is not surprising as it was done and tried to be be covered up for the previous 5 and 1/2 years.
This appreciated and deserved harassment stop is still tenacious,as it is still controlled by the same law enfor. that protected it, not an outside agency. The S/Ws got another free ride and there was little concern for the victims who actually had to put up with everything on a daily basis and had to pay to try to stop it.
Victims cannot be discounted. Nowadays, they just don't fade away making it convenient for the people who caused the problem.They get on the internet.There was not even one apology in nine years. Not wishing to minimize the severity of the situation,the following sentence will nevertheless be included. Maybe there's an award for the most time consuming and costly family in LHP history for taxpayers and victims,and they and their law enfor.can get their pictures taken together for a newpaper column. Thank you. cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on blog.
continued........................Note:I did,one time,08,in total frustration over the deliberate, harassing, daily, blasting, made, repetitive cd technique with an instated Sett.Agree. to prevent it, leave a messge for the Chief that,well, I would just take the S/Ws through the Violations process to stop it, and then there wouldn't be anything he could do about it to keep it going.That was a mistake as it is never good to blurt anything out no matter how frustrated or right you are in this situation as it will be used against you.That Violations process requires a police report and you can be sure I never got one.
6-30-09.I just went out to the south backyard and noticed a patrol car stopped diagonnally on 28th Ave.at the S.E. easement of this residency.The car parked there on this property is legally tagged and insured.I just don't like the way it looks in the North driveway. I did leave a message for the Chief on the day of the three patrol car visit for the S/Ws' 'think electrocution' episiode,that I had started parking it there for that reason.I had just moved it from the north driveway around the block to the southeast side of this residency when the patrol cars showed up. It became apparent that the S/Ws thought I was gone and they went full force in between the garages at the interior property line,audible loudly through this house, which I then taped so there would be no fooling around with what the S/Ws said.The police during this told them I was home as Mr.Starr said I had left.I never even envisioned that any of that was going to happen as I had just talked to the Chief about the problem I was having trying to work there with John coming out and with that cd technique on,I believe one or two days before. insert dates,emails.That was my last converstion with the Chief. He never returned my calls the day of the 'S/Ws' think electroction' thing.
Anyway, that vehicle is legal and has been. Thank you. cc:blog
6-01-09. LHP Magazine
Re: Contributing writer, Sheriff Al Lamberti
Could Sheriff Al Lamberti address harassing,trespassing,and stalking and what to do about it? Should a LHP resident facing losing any normal usage of a residency, immediately go directly to the sheriff's dept.and just skip the LHP law enfor. and city policies? Thank you.
Note: This is not meant as a a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
7-06-09. Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded that this residency expects to be reimbursed as a minimum. It's one thing to put up with all this, another thing to pay to try to stop it,and another thing to have to email an entire city for over a year to try and get some help. I said at the Code Board Hearing, 08, that the whole city was involved and I was showing the Sett.Agree.at that time.And it still continued intensely until 09,award time. It should be no surprise that this residency still expects reimbursement as a minimum.The LHPPD gets enough allocated monies Private citizens should not have to pay out of pocket for help when it is standard law enfor.work. No one said, 'Well ,since you paid for that, you don't have to pay taxes'.
And please be reminded this residency already had the money. It would have been so much easier if this residency could have been used in a norrmal way for all those years and that money did not have to be spent on that.It also would have been so much easier if all that time didn't have to be spent trying to stop all this.The number of people, agencies, court situations, lawyers,etc. dealt with is daunting, none of whom would have been dealt with if this had been handled right from the begining. There is no excuse for all this, just lame coverups.
And please be reminded,there has already been one non published, lenghty,costly civil suit involving this where maneuvers and technicalities were used instead of issues as the S/Ws actually really did it all. A lengthy city civil suit would cost taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars,the final maneuver probably being the statute/law,insert exact terminology, essentially stating that law enfor. does not have to protect you, subjected to many interpretations and challenges,the rebuttal to this being the many ways different higher courts ruled on this, taking the case out of the actual issues and into the issues of higher courts of interpretations.This is a nine year situation, with years of annoying, etc. noted behavior before being directly targeted..
Some years into this,this aspect was explained by a law firm dealing with that type of litigation,and it was decided then to continue to try and stop the S/Ws first as it would be easier because they were still civilly liable even with law enfor .protection. It was startling to both the law firm and me when I mentioned Atty.R.Yates was handling this case and what he was doing with it,as exactly at the same time I called,he was the opposing Atty.on a case they were dealing with right then,one call right after their deposition that day,and he was using the same techniques there he was using on this one,which was to make it too expensive and irritiating to put up with to try to make it just go away,the last ditch effort when the issues are too big,.The law firm said he didn't win.He didn't win this one either.The S/Ws won because law enfor./city just disregarded the Sett.Agree.to stop them and Aty.Yates and for prevention.
Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,06, wasn't off in his choice of defense.He just shouldn't have done it as it gave the S/Ws more years of harassment and protected the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era's over 5 and 1/2 years of continual clearing of the S/Ws, none of which he could have probably put up with himself for even only a month and probably wouldn't have had to,here,as law enfor. is selective and would probably have put an immediate end to it for him.
This is a nine year situation, not just one incident,with years of annoying,etc.noted behavior before being directly targeted.
Again, the issues of reimbursement/damages and reports for the violation's proces haven't been resolved, the second leaving this situation tenaciously still in the hands of law enfor. Situations like this just don't fade away making it easy for the people who caused them.The mindset of the S/Ws is still unnerving,reinforced, and probably now irreversable, and will probably have to be dealt with for a long, long time. Thank You. cc:blog www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
7-06-09. Commander M.Oh has already been reimbursed $50,000.00 for atty. fees by the city in the law enfor./commissioner situation which went on for a long time and got a lot of attention,press etc..At the same time during all that, this residency was getting pounded with deliberate daily loud screaming,screaming threats, fence banging, trespassing with threats, blasting radio on static and tapes,etc.,etc.,all textbook harassing and stalking with no help to stop it. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies. There was no normal usage of this residency which was horrifying to everyone watching it including the law enfor's handling of it.The Ofc.who had been a starting focal point in the city situation for all that had been here but he had to do what his superiors told him to do which was to let the S/Ws continue.
There seemed to be some concern over what taxpayers would think about the city infighting and consequential reimbursement, but it was still done.A lot of that was petty and not major injurious.
That total situation and this residency's situation are different in theory. But this is not exactly just apples and oranges.
It was very startling to watch a law enfor. ofc. have that much of a self indulgent fit over complaints he was not doing his job right, doing among other things trying to legally obtain a commissioner's computer contents in wasted civil action, while the job really wasn't being done right at this residency,ridiculously obvious.
When that situation was finalized, this residency's situation continued.
When this residency complained, it got the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson reply.
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7-06-09. LHP News,Editorial desk,
Could Chief R.Licata address stalking and harassment in your next issue? His expertise on this subject may be interesting .Thank you.
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7-07-09.6-01-09. LHP Magazine
Re: Contributing writer, Sheriff Al Lamberti
Could Sheriff Al Lamberti address harassing,trespassing,and stalking and what to do about it? Should a LHP resident facing losing any normal usage of a residency, immediately go directly to the sheriff's dept.and just skip the LHP law enfor. and city policies? Thank you.
7-16-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
This is not petty. This is a predictable used pattern.
7-16-09. 6P.M. Lori is back in their backyard turning soft music on and off sitting in a chair directly facing this residency as if to taunt,which it does,probably the point, and to try to evoke a reaction. I have been using the pool and backyard everyday.I was in the pool when she came out.This was audible into this house when I went in. I did come back out and look at her from the middle of this backyard to make sure it was her.This is again a scary thing to do because of the S/Ws' over the top backup.
This is a slippery slope. It was never just about playing music.Please be reminded of the over nine year history of deliberate music and sound techniques.That deliberate repetitive sound and music technique used to harass the entire year of 2008 and the months before has not been so easily forgotten. Some of those were the same two minutes over and over for 30-45 minutes. She is very clever with devices. Remember,she,S/Ws, started out with made tapes,a radio on static,and a clown horn.This situation is still tenaciously in the hands of law enfor., the Sett.Agree.,an outside source to prevent, disregarded. The S/Ws got a free ride. I didn't want to think this would still have to be dealt with anymore. The mindset is strong and reinforced. This is not petty.This is a predictable used pattern. See email 6-22-09, cd technique, on the blog discussing the same thing.Thank you.
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7-17-09.A law firm was called inquiring about counsel.This law firm was picked at random from a newpapwer article about an unrelated situation in another city,with no knowledge about what this law firm actually did. After a short conversation, I was really surprised to hear that there may be a conflict as Atty.E Bruce Johnson worked with this law firm and this law firm may or may not already be representing LHP on other issues, and that needed to be clarified.
Trying to stop the S/Ws in the past targeted nine years has been complicated by the law enfor.and city large network of backup.
The actuality of putting up with all this as regular routine with the 'we can and we will do this' in your face attitude, gets lost and disregarded after everyone gets lawyered up and legal maneuvers for damage control and coverup are focused on instead of the problem.
The basic concept of someone doing this to someone else thinking there isn't the whereforwhatall or finances to stop it or for protection against it, also gets lost and disregarded in this internet age.
This whole thing should have been handled in a maximum of six months. cc:blog
7-18-09.Mr.Starr is still hanging on and bending the green mesh fence between the garages. Again, this fence was not meant to support anyone,but put up to keep the S/Ws from trespassing and harassing months after the Sett.Agree. didn't stop them. Nothing is said to him while he is doing this, as it was fully ingrained by the S/Ws in 2000 that they could scream, trespass, bang, threaten, etc.,etc.,for hours and hours and no one could look at them or say anything back to them, and they had the backup.They also tried provoking,-threatening, taunting, banging,etc.,anyone here into replying so it could be considered a two party thing.This was a very frustrating, completely unnecesary, modern horror story, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era and it continued for years, already explained.
A sign on that fence may be necessary. Signs:2008. Even with that extensive and very effective cd technique,used for hours and hours,over and over,deliberate, harassing,made, repetitive cds, some the same two minutes over and over for 30-45 minutes, with a Sett.Agree.to prevent it, the S/Ws continued with other things,one of them still littering and deliberately throwing things into this yard, between the garages and near the top of this driveway, even with the Sett.Agee. to prevent that and it gets tiresome still picking this up,even though it isn't one of the major issues. I taped a 'no trespassing' sign with a made 'no littering' sign on a garbage can on this property near the end of that fence by the top of this driveway and both were ripped off and thrown back into this yard. So I got two more signs and taped them to a garbage can using a roll of clear tape winding it around the garbage can completely covering the two signs and put the garbage can behind the green mesh fence on this property.The next morning Lori could be heard yelling inside her house about that and when I checked, someone had tried pulling the tape off,but there was too much tape. They stopped throwing garbage and I removed the can, but have had to put it back with the signs when they started again, and Lori could be heard yelling from inside their house that that bothers her and she wants it gone.When their house was painted, the made 'no littering' sign was painted over with white paint.
So,a sign to keep Mr.Starr from hanging on and bending the non supportive fence may not work. Since they are still probably in constant contact with law enfor.anyway over who knows what, maybe someone could explain to him to stop.This is not major,but needed to be mentioned.
Added.The south end of the mesh fence is still tied to the main fence structure and leans on a diagonal toward this side.We still have posts,cement,the mesh roll and if needed,another 6ft,.4ft.wooden fence piece in the garage.The last attempt to fix that tied up part was derailed by the S/Ws' 'think electrocution' three patrol car visit and a lot of loud lying between the garages.It is impossible to do any work there. Someone should tell Mr.Starr not to lean on or bend that not straight part along with the rest. If they didn't keep trespassing and harassing there after the Sett.Agree to prevent that, that mesh deterrent fence wouldn't be there.They shouldn't have just taken that 3-4 ft.of property to use as theirs from the beginning anyway,let alone to scream at, theaten, and taunt this residency on,while continuing their family fights there,etc.,etc.,for years and years, anyway, no matter how much backup, Hawkins/Oh com.Lias.era, they had.
And remember, this residency got fined $500.00 by the code board over the main fence fiasco. The S/Ws got over the top backup.
That throwing things into the yard thing,a sett.agree.violation,put in for prevention, may have been reinforced by the S/Ws getting away with that 6ft.18ft.piece of shadow box fence being thrown into this yard and left for sometime before it was removed, and Toni,code enfor.'s 'it was their fence,it was your fence,it's not her job to know whose fence it is, someone told them to remove it,someone did not tell them to remove it' explanations when asked for the paperwork. Toni,code enfor. told me that Chief Licata said I could use the Freedom of Information Act if I wanted the papework (?)and Toni never gave me the paperwork. What was that all about? By that time the Chief had become the S/Ws' advocate using really lame excuses for everything the S/Ws had done from the beginning,already explained. See emails.
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7-19-09.Bad mindset.Unnerving.12:30 P.M.Lori,John,and Mel just came out into their backyard audible into this houseporch with Lori complaining she is being harassed, Mel saying 'they have to stay 50 ft. away',and John saying he is going to the prosecutor's office tomorrow.The exact wording in all that situation was not completely discernable. Mr.Starr and John talked near the interior fence part of the time,noticeable.They all like to talk near the interior fence.This was unexpected but probably deliberately noticeable.
Even with all the work done in place to stop it, they will still try to cause trouble.This isn't anything we should have to worry about anymore,but the S/Ws have always had law enfor.covering for them.They may be trying to counteract the violations process for the Sett.Agree.They violated every part of that Sett.Agree.,know it,and were very brazen about it.
There is a very big iguana problem here,the same iguanas moving among four yards,the worst problem being they try to relieve themselves in or right next to this pool and they keep coming back to do it no matter how many times you chase them away.Yesterday, I went outside three times to the pool and was saying," Get out!"while I chased the biggest one actually one time around the pool twice.This was within 15 minutes.The big one got back anyway on the fourth try and relieved itself on the south end of the pool before I got out there,and I chased it away from there probably still saying "Get Away"! I noticed Lori was in their pool while I was in and out of the backyard. chasing the iguana away.I kind of had a bad feeling she might try to say I was yelling at her as they try to use anything they can.
If that's the situation,anyone can just refer to this blog to find out what happened.That's why the web and blog were put up and will have to stay up for prevention for a long long time.Mindset.They shouldn't have gotten so much over the top protection.Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.?
7-22-09.ADDED: 7-20-9.Lori and Mr.Starr, early evening ,their backyard,again plotting something to do.I believe they did try to do something somewhere.
I believe,7-19-09, they all were also plottng their 'iguana thing' which turned out, of course, to be as irritating as they could be right at this interior backyard fence,where they probably still want to be as irritating as possible anyway,but they just haven't had an excuse.
The S/Ws' Iguana Solution:The S/Ws have a large overgrown Brazilian tree in the southwest corner of their backyard, bordering on this property, taking up about 1/4 of their backyard, with the same garbage and debis under it for years which they never pick up, where the iguanas and rats habitat and breed,coming over to this property.The iguanas actually cross to this property, climb a tree,and sit on this roof, daily.Lori was complainng about the iguanas in their backyard a lot.
So, their solution is to come running outside when they see one and spray it with something up to this interior fence until it goes to this property, not back under their tree.7-21-09.early evening.I was sitting at the edge of this pool and there was a lot of the the S/Ws loud talking and going back and forth and John came running out holding some sort of spraying device and he sprayed and sprayed right right up to and at this interior fence until the iguana went on this side. And he stood at the interior fence directly across from where I was sitting,not to the left or right,the pool is 8 ft. from the interior fence,still doing it. I wasn't exactly sure what he was using, so I got up and went into the house.John is scary up close.He is juvenile and belligerent and never stopped expressing loudly that everything they did was ok, and he and all of them had the backup and reinforcement.
It's unnerving to have him running right up to the interior fence whenever when you're sitting there after all he's done to really harass and help harass right there, let alone the rest, trespassing and harassing between the garages and driveways ,banging, threatening, yelling, trespassing with a video camera, lying to law enfor.,etc.,for years. He got away with it.They all did. And they know it. Most people in LHP have no idea what it's like to be bullied,harassed,and stalked like that,let alone not knowing then that their taxes were paying to keep it up while private residents were paying to try to stop it.
I think they,S/Ws, just want to do something irritating they can get away with at this interior fence and probably try to blame this residency for the whole iguana problem.
But,chasing them with spray directly and deliberately into this interior fence until they go into this yard is unacceptable.
They just go back under their,S/Ws', tree again.It isn't even a real solution,just another way to bother this residency.
This is minor compared to all they have done, but needs to be mentioned as update.It is still unnerving to have them right at that interior fence again.They were staying away.
They also have a large piece of 6 ft.shadowbox fence,southwest corner,backyard,left over,from the old fence, which they never removed, hanging from one post right up to this property which probably should be taken down.
This latest thing is minor, but not petty,as the S/Ws always seem to find some way to continually bother this residency and complain about this residency at the same time. Mindset. It's a good thing the website and blog are up, or there would still be lying aboot this whole thing from the beginning.
Updating these minor incidents is not meant to in any way to diminish the the full capacity of everything the S/Ws did, directly targeting for over nine years with horrific incidents, but there are some people who like to take incidents out of context to still try to cover this whole thing up and downplay it by refering to the tivial type incidents to try to trivialize the whole thing.They should stop trying to do that. These minor incidents go with the the big picture.They're just not as intense as the rest.They,trivial type incidents, will continue to be mentioned as they are part of a predictable pattern.
And this is is for prevention,as the S/Ws were/are continually looking for people to help them harass us.A reminder, with everything they were already getting from LHP, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, during the citris situation,they called citris enfor.saying they were worried about contamination from this residency and we didn't even have any citris.They showed up, the S/Ws waiting for them,anything to get someone over here. It is always a problem, what they will do. Mindset.Reinforced protected mindset.
If it wasn't for emailing,the internet,the website, and the blog, it would still be going on.The tenacious harassment stop is still expressed as appreciated..
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7-24-09.Fri.early eveing.Andy and I are sitting in the backyard getting ready to go into the pool. Lori comes right out and sprays and sprays a lot at this interior fence right where we are sitting,not to the left or right. There were no iguanas where we were sitting and none came running over here.I think she just wanted to bother us with the 'S/Ws' iguana solution' excuse.This was too much spraying.They would be better served to clean out the debris from under that big tree in their backyard all the way to the south fence and use all that spray there where the iguanas habitat.
But that isn't where we sit or use the pool.This isn't trivial. It is a pattern to do something to this residency.They don't seem to spray this interior fence when no one is in this backyard.When they chase the iguanas back under their tree,7-25-09, they use a broom,not spray.
Remember,she did get away with over a year of spraying,water,at this backyard up to the house windows and screaming while she did it and theatening that she would do it.To be continued.cc: blog. All final editing done on the blog.
ADDED.8-03-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have tried to help.
'Iguana hunt' possibly considered trivial.Trespassing with video camera question and situations already explained.
8-02-09.3P.M.I am in the pool,home alone.John comes out slams his door and runs fast across his backyard right up to this interior fence right where I was in the pool.I was so startled I almost blurted out,"What are you doing?" but I did not.
As it turns out, John was 'iguana chasing', but the iguana did not come into this yard. It turned south and went back under their tree.This is still startling,him running so fast across their backyard,right up to this fence, not knowing what he is going to do.
Remember, John had years of yelling ,threatening ,and trespassing ,with law enfor. protection and he was very belligerent that he could and would do it,even with the Sett.Agree.to prevent it,after almost 6 years of doing it before the Sett.Agree. That fence had to be put up between the garages to stop him and the others from trespasing and harsassing there, and they really tried to keep that 3-4 ft. of property that they just taken and used as theirs, calling law enfor.and getting patrol cars here at least three time trying to stop that fence from going up. The S/Ws are a lot of work..
On one occasion,pre- fence between the garages,Lori, Mr.Starr and Mark stood trespassing, yelling at,and threatening this residency, north side,trying to provoke Andy into a two party argument and they called law enfor.on him. When he went outside to see what was going on, as the loud screaming was too close to this garage and driveway, John was outside too, trespassing with a video camera ,trying to get any kind of a reaction they could from Andy, even though the other three were still continually yelling,threatening,and trespassing while he was filming. Andy didn't say anything but he probably did look mad. Law enfor.of course did nothing about that,as it was part of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies to protect the S/Ws. For a long time,the S/Ws tried to us and distribute that video and probably still are, trying to say they were harassed. John was especially vocal about yelling anytime he wanted that they had that video for proof.
Did anyone ever ask him if he was trespassing when he was filming and what was going on when he was filming? I have the audio and the explanations on the website for that and the days after it, as Lori continued behind the interior fence screaming, taunting, etc., until there was a loud family argument that she may have been caught on camera lying about that and they went back to just fighting with each other for a while as they were worried about the civil ramifications about lying about that and to the police again.
This is the mentality that got all the law enfor. protection. (?)
The mindset is still unnerving. It is scary when John charges this fence.It's only 8 ft. off the pool.Can someone ask him about trespasing with that video camera and about that video they're probably still trying to use every time something new comes up about what they've done? How many other times did he do that? The S/Ws' now constant daily preoccupation with this 'iguana hunt', a lot of discussions and running outside,etc.,may be considered trivial,but it still needs to be mentioned,as it still seems as another way to bother this residency along with it, though by far not the worst, and not to be taken out of context to use to trivialize the whole thing. Someone will try to do that. cc :Blog.All final editing done on blog.
8-03-09.ADDED.Approx.3-3:30P.M.I was in the pool alone.John and Lori came outside and John chased an iguana right up to this interior fence,to this side,banging this fence so it wouldn't go back to their side, right where I was in the pool. He left and the iguana just went right back into their yard.
This residency already has a daily problem with them coming here to relieve themselves at the south end of this pool,and it isn't necessary for them to chase them right up to this interior fence to go into this side.
I think the chasing and being at this interior fence is more the point.
This is the first time anyone hit this new fence,but not hard as before. Remember that problem?
Let's hope that doesn't escalate as there seems to be a problem in this city with the Sett.Agree.Violations process or with anything the S/Ws want to do.
8-05-09.4:45-5P.M. Mr.Starr and Lori's new thing is to swim to the deep end of their pool which is only feet from this property line,hang on the edge if their pool, facing this residency and talk as loud as they could about this situation and 'yell talk'. I was in the backyard trying to do some yardwork right by the pool.They are very brazen still.I think Lori was annoyed when I came outside and told Mr.Starr that, so they decided to antagonize.
This was clearly to antagonize.I went inside.Then, I took my recorder and camera back outside to the middle of this backyard. Mr. Starr saw it and they both moved complaining about it. This was a very scary thing to do, to look directly at them,because of that -they can do whatever they want and if you look at them they can get a patrol car thing. And I started to worry about that. I went back inside and stayed until 6P.M.
Remember, this is where Lori, with the others,stood for hours and hours, screech singing, talking to,taunting,'yell talking,'and threatening from behind the six foot shadowbox fence when it was up, for years and years as routine,to annoy anyone who tried to use this yard,let alone the banging and screaming there.And remember, Lori used to scream at us and take pictures of us when ever she wanted,and as I said,screaming while she did it ,even after the Sett.Agree.The S/W s never really used the deep end of their pool but Loti would put on floaties so she could be suspended there and screech sing for maximum volume facing this residency.
I've been using the pool and backyard and enjoying it and want to continue.And they never wanted anyone using this yard and were very successful at it with a lot of help.I hope this isn't going to escalate. It was very unnerving to see and hear Mr.Starr encouraging and coaxing this.Lori has been very good at directing the others herself. She doesn't need any encouragement.Why are they getting directly brazen again? More promises of protection,past, present,and future? Taken out of context,this may seem trivial. It isn't. Unnerving mindset. They've gotten too much protection, reinforcement, and backup when they should have been stopped.I hope this isn't going to start escalating with the S/Ws getting protection.We don't have company at all as standard. It's just too much easier for people to go elsewhere and aviod anything here with the S/Ws with their law enfor. protection.The problem with the S/Ws is, with them,you don't just get the S/Ws. With the S/Ws, you get their law enfor. protection, and their law enfor. protection is very.very devoted,while this residency had to put up with it all. cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on the blog.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
The S/Ws are acting up,getting more brazen,8-23-09,Mr.Starr coming outside,backyard, to'yell talk' complaining about the situation with Lori,the first approx.1:30 P.M.,noticeable as it was audible into this sitting room porch and again at approx.3:45 P.M.when I was trying to use the pool alone.The second was way too obvious,loud and long.Lori doesn't need any encouragement to continue this.She has been very capable of running this show all by herself.
This is not trivial.The mindset is still too unnerving,determined, and now probably irreversible.
Later, Lori and John came out and John did his full blast running thing right up to this interior fence chasing an iguana which did not run into this yard anyway but ran right back under their tree.Andy was alone in the pool at the time.Again it is unnerving to see John running full blast up to this interior fence because you don't expect it and don't know what he is going to do,probably the point in getting that close to the interior fence to do something annoying,not necessary,and which doesn't work.Blog after 7-34,8-03,same subject.
8-30-09. Noon.Lori sits in their backyard facing this residency,with an umbrella sideways in front her blocking her from view and turns music on and off soft,but audible into this sitting room porch,and complains when I go into the backyard.She also leaves it on it on louder and longer.This is probably to try to provoke a reaction. If done to taunt and annoy,it does. That extensive and deliberate 2008 cd technique is still not easily forgotten, which was a Sett.Agree.compounded violation no one could put up with and the S/Ws got away with it, and it could just start up all over again. This is still a slippery slope.This was never about just playing music.The mindset is still determined.They would if they could.This has already been explained.Where's the reports for the compounded violations?cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.This blogged after 8-03-09.same subject.
9-07-09.The S/Ws revive an old harassment method. Labor Day 4:45 P.M.I was trying toy sit out by the edge of the pool.Andy was in the house.The S/Ws had a toy mechanical boat which works by remote control which they would run around the deeper end of their pool for closer proximity which makes an extremely loud honking noise sounding almost like a saw, which they would use to harass anyone in this backyard.The S/Ws used this then,intermingled with the other forms of harassment.They do not have to be out with it to use it. I have tapes not yet on the website when Andy and the grandchildren are in the backyard and the honking is so loud you can't even hear them trying to talk to each other.This was/is deliberately to harass and to provoke.Now they are using it again.That was a surprise to see and hear that circling in the deep end of their pool,and a stark reminder of how intense things were as routine. The S/Ws just don't want anyone in this backyard and were very successful at getting that for years with biased backup. Mr.Starr and Lori were home and they both went quickly in and out of both residencies while it was running.They haven't used this for years.They used that extensive repetitive cd technique for all and before 2008 which was worse than hours of this. I got out of the backyard, their point.This is audible into the house,sitting room porch.This particular situation has already been addressed in the emails.inset dates.This is not trivial or picky. It is to annoy and keep this backyard empty.This mindset is very bad and they've gotten a lot of reinforcement that they can do what they want.This deliberate loud honking thing is something no one would want to hear again after just one session and especially not over and over.The S/Ws don't even stay out with it.It's the same as a deliberate repetitive tape technique,that slippery slope.It probably is a violation,the frequency,timing,and lengths to be kept aware of because it could go on for hours instead of the cd technique.The well protected S/Ws are getting brazen again. They knew they would get covered on the Sett.Agree. Violations and did,and putting up with all that was intolerable while they gloated.Again this is not trivial. It is to annoy and taunt,and it does.Bad reinforced mindset. This issue to be continued.......Complaining about a mechanical boat may appear 'crank' and that had to be considered so as not to in any way minimize the big picture,but it is a device to make a loud repetitive noise and was used for that when the made tapes and cds weren't used.The S/Ws are good with devices.cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.blogged after7-24,8-03,same subject.
9-10-09. Again,the candyapple red 1978 Granada parked at the south side of this residency is tagged and insured and runs.If anyone is interested it will be sold but this takes someone who specifically wants that kind if vehicle.This appears to be the latest S/Ws' endeavor to complain about this residency and to get paid city employees to run around in circles for them,again. Code enfor.,patrol cars, have already checked that vehicle out,one parking diagonally on this easement to do so. A few weeks ago, a young LHP public works employee with a public works vehicle and in uniform pulled up and knocked on this kitchen door, not the outside porch door or the front door with doorbells, and inquired about the vehicle, kind of implying he wanted to buy it,but slipped up when he said he 'was tired of seeing it there'.I don't remember his name but he had tatoos on his lower leg.He said he would check back in two weeks and I called public works in about that time to say it was still available for their worker if he wanted it. There has been a long nine year history in LHP of young city employees, patrol cars, etc.usually with no financial residential responsibilities of their own,helping the S/Ws bother, harass, and ruin this residency,as paid city employees,and the younger they were, the more insulting it was. 9-10-09.Lori could be heard yelling in her backyard,'it's still there'. Shortly,there was a city public works employee, orange vest,vehicle in street, talking loud enough on his cell phone between the interior garages it was audible into this house as to how it was noticed, saying something to the effect, all was not discernable,that it was not at that residency but between 3540 and 3520,at the south side by the pole.Again, paid city employees should not be running around in circles to service the S/Ws, but this was definitely established during the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era from the beginning and adhered to. And young training cops needed to train on something. This is the anniversary of 9-11,and on that day,with all there was to think about,Lori still went in and out to scream at and threaten this residency at this interior fence for hours with all the S/Ws home.audio web date.There was no one to help with this,with well established Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies that this could be done.The S/Ws have a long well remembered history of biased protection and cover up. cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ cick BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
9-16-09.I had been in and out of this backyard.Lori and John came out and really complained about me being out there.Mr Starr came out.Then,3:45 P.M.,the 'honking boat' started up, at about 1/3 to 1/2 the volume, with Mr.Starr and Lori staying out with it this time.I got out of the backyard Even at that volume, it is still a repetitive device,and a slippery slope into that big mess again. I immediately started emailing before it went to full volume and they went inside and left it on,the usual procedure. Instead, it stayed at that volume and they stayed out with it,45 minutes.About 35 minutes into this,I heard someone say," What is that umbrella for?" and Mr.Starr said," So Gail can't look at Lori." At that time my computer wasn't working and I was dealing with that because I really wanted to email to stop this from escalating,so I didn't look to see who was talking to Mr.Starr. Later,I thought, what if that was someone from the city who only saw a toy boat at average volume with people outside with it? The city/law enfor, has always tried to minimize or deny anything it could to cover for the S/Ws and here was a good way to do that to minimize the big picture. This was a deliberate harassing loud device used when the tapes/cds weren't being used. It is probably time to put those tapes on the audio web, when the noise was so loud, Andy couldn't talk to the grandchildren in the backyard, the point,and that was done for hours Now it's back. Anyone who listened to that thing deliberately blasting over and over would not want to hear it even at a lower volume.Anyone who put up with all of 2008, would not want to hear anything repetitive.This should not be minimized.This is a slippery slope.The whole thing could just start up all over again and slowly has.cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
9-17-09.1:40 P.M.Mr.Starr again exits on wrong side of the road.
9-21-09.The beige Lincoln Continental parked in this north driveway is tagged,insured,and runs.The owner has two residencies,one on the beach on Hillsboro Mile and one up north.This is the vehicle used only while in FL.and it needs to be started and run while he's gone.Today, I started it up just as Lori and John came into their driveway,Lori from their house and John driving in.They had a bit of a discussion and it appears that that was going to be the next complaint endeavor.I went into the pool and Mr.Starr made it a point to be outside backyard to talk loudly on his cell phones,car gist,all was not discernable,as if he wanted me to hear.
The S/Ws for years took down license plates of people coming here and tried to cause trouble such as yelling that they tried to run them off the road someplace else,etc.,etc.,even if the people were in their 70's. No one was immune.It is hoped they are not going to bother that owner, but the situation with the S/Ws is known outside this city and has been for since the beginning.One woman, this car owner's neighbor, really upset and paying attention to the situation through the early years finally told her son,Mr.Wayne Hizenga's, check spelling, personal business attorney and he said to get in touch with him to see if he could help and he kept an open line for weeks.He couldn't believe this had one on for that long.This was late 05,after the horriffic early 05 situation when the S/Ws were really fierce and invincible and we needed a really good atty.He did try but he was a civil business atty and his contacts were civil.We finally just hired a really good dual atty.we got ourselves to stop the problem,which was disregarded by law enfor. and the city.
Anyway, the car is explained and it is hoped no one gets bothered by the S/Ws about it.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
Note:The above emails,03,05,24,etc.are not irrelevent and picky.When I ask about the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process,and the S/Ws know and are reassured they have law enfor. protection against this,they get more brazen.They were really brazen about this especially during the over year long cd technique when they knew law enfor./city would override the Sett.Agree.and cover for them.
NOTE:The above emails are same subject,moderate to minor harassment,but continuing mindset,with law enfor. and city protection
7-09. Due to an incident in another state with complications, there is now a lot of discussion over the disorderly laws and the wide latitude of interpretation which may result in law enfor.abuse. At least the S/Ws can't really complain about that.
Two completely different interpretations,one incident up north and years and years of incidents down here.
Due to the volume of consistent unavoidable calls by a lot of people complaining about the S/Ws, there was one disorderly,$50.00 fine, after months of this, 4-3-2000.
The S/Ws just immediately continued the same,as fiercely as ever,even while dealing with that pending case, and actually then really complained about that.The general routine,- targeted harassing, stalking, trespassing, etc,etc.,etc.,and their horrific family fights never stopped, and continued for years, the S/Ws doing the same thing.over and over.They got a lot of law enfor. backup, coverup,and protection, just reinforcing the problem. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia.era.
Others continued to complain for about 1year,to no avail, and gave up. The S/Ws had law enfor. protection.
I still compained a lot, as this residency was directly targeted,all nornal usase of this residency was lost, and there was no choice, complaining that this was still going on with all the S/Ws,and this was really intense,regular,really intolerable for anyone,and this was ridiculously obvious, and Det.Hawkins got mad and snapped back,"I arrested her.What do you want me to do,shoot her?", ignoring the problem with all of them doing it.
Two completely diffrerent situations and interpretations, -the one incident in another state and the years and years of the one here.This one should have been handled in a maximum of six months. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era and policies.
Note:After 2and1/2 years of directly talking to and leaving mesages for law enfor.,I started saving the messages.audio website.The S/Ws started directly targeting this residency in Dec.99,and I had been talking to Det.Hawkins since then.I asked him what he had done with all the calls and he said he erased them.
7-25-09. Mayor F.Schorr, Commander M.Oh should not still be salaried. He and Det.L.Hawkins had over 5 and 1/2 years to stop the harassing and stalking.They didn't. And there's the lying. Then,the Chief got 'involved' trying to cover up the mess they made and he can't, the finale being, 'The S/Ws-Year 2008', until the Det.L.Hawkins Keeper Days' award and the tenacious harassment stop.Who ran/runs this city-them? This residency wasn't exactly simultaneously salaried to put up with all that.Thank you.
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7-20-09. Editorial. Deerfield Forum,
Re:The City of Lighthouse Point,Fl.
Law enfor.and the city should still not be trying to disregard and coverup over nine years of harassment and stalking,costing the victims tens of thousand of dollars in legal fees and lack of any normal usage of a residency, and Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,(8-06)arguing that the city is not liable for the negligent acts of govt.workers, should not have had so much pull in the city. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for emails.Thank you. Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E. 28 Ave. LHP 33064 954-943-4386
7-28-09. Editorial.Deerfield Forum. Could contributing writer Sheriff Al Lamberti address harassing, trespassing,and stalking and what to do about it? Should a LHP resident facing losing any normal usage of a residency, immediately go directly to the Sheriff's Dept.and just skip the LHP law enfor. and city policies? See www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage .Thank you.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have had actually tried to help.
7-29-09.CNN/Gates.The wide interpretation of the disorderly laws can lead to law enforcement abuse,both ways.There is a nine year harassing and stalking situation in Lighthouse Point, FL. The disorderly was used once in the first year, then that and all means to stop this were disregarded. All the participants are white. Law enforcement in general can be selective in its interpretations. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.Thank you.
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This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have had actually tried to help.
7-30-9.To date,there is a tenacious harassment stop still requiring constant emailing to prevent predictable upscaling, no reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations' process, no apologies, no settlement negotiations,and the 'We is right.' attitude still prevalent.This should have been handled in a maximum of six months, and the rest never should have happened or have had to be put up with.Thank you.
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This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-03-09. It has never been clear why law enfor.and then the city so defiantly disregarded the Sett.Agree. to stop and prevent the S/Ws.
If the S/Ws knew they were or had to be accountable to someone or something, the harassment, etc.,etc.,etc., might have been kept to a minimum for 06, for 07,and, especially, for 08.
Instead ,the S/Ws got protection to continue.
Did someone just find an atty. to say that it was alright to do that? Wouldn't it have been easier to just stop the problem? It certainly would have been a lot easier for this residency, already really worn out from the preceeding 5 years and 11mos.before it. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies.
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8-03,05-09 emails,-fence/iguanas,blogged after 7-24-09,same subjects
8-03-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help
Mayor Schorr, Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process ? The Sett.Agree.doesn't have a timetable.
The LHP approach of it's 'in the past' isn't applicable.There is protection against waiting and then saying it's 'in the past' to cover it up.It wouldn't hurt to explain what took so long,but I think I've already done that.Thank you.
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This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-06-09 Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett. Agree.?
The S/Ws are becoming more brazen,more attitude than overt behavior, but still a very unnerving mindset.
They usually get this way when they've gotten reassurance from law enfor. that they are covered.
Let's hope this doesn't escalate.The situation of using flim flam to cover all this up doesn't negate the full brunt
of the actual reality this residency had to put up which is not so easily forgotten, especially with this still in your face confident mindset. cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ click BLOG on the homepage.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-10-9.Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
Why doesn't someone ask the S/Ws on a report-
Did they throw a 6ft.18.ft piece of shadowbox fence into this yard and leave it here after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they trespass and trespass and harass,until the orange mesh fence was put up to keep them out,after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they use made, repetitive cds,holiday season 07 and all of 08, various volumes and contents, standard technique, announcing they could and would do it and gloat, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they lie to and misinform law enfor.on or off a report, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they violate any or all of the Sett.Agree.?
The S/Ws have had loud discussions and arguments about their strategy handling this, a big concern about getting caught lying on a report as they would be fined twice, once for doing it and again for lying on a report about it.There appeared to be a big concen and how to get around it.
This residency has no company as standard. People don't want to put up with the S/Ws and their protection and it's just easier to go somewhere else and avoid all that here.
If anyone should be fined, it's the S/Ws. They defiantly and belligerently violated every part of the Sett.Agree. Their mindset is unnerving and determined,and at this point probably irreversable after all the reinforcement and backup.The problem with the S/Ws is, with the S/Ws, you just don't get the S/Ws. With the S/Ws, you also get their law enfor.,and their law enfor. has been very,very devoted, while this residency had to put up with it.
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Note:This process shouldn't have been the Chief's call. He was biased,selective,and overly protective of the S/Ws and their law enfor. And,he didn't spend tens of thousands of dollars and a lot of time trying to stop and prevent this.The situation was being stuck having to talk to him for over three years while this was still going on,and that was after the preceding five and a half years, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. Who was advising him? Who advised the previous?
Note:This situation has been explained and explained in the emails for over a year and blogged. One of the later emails blogged on this situation was this one, which is pretty conclusive and summary. It's repeated in case people didn't read all the emails or all the blog.There are later blogged emails on this situation. www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/. www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.The document has since been referred to and shortened to the Sett.Agree.minus the /Inj.
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT/INJUNCTION
12-02-08.Settlement Agreement/Injunction
When the Sett.Agree./Injunction was drafted and signed,there were a lot of big issues that had to be stopped,the harassing,stalking,screaming,threatening, banging,trespassing,lying to law enfor.etc.,etc.,and the blasting tape/cd situation/technique and Lori making tapes/cds,threatening and talking to us so she could play them in the backyard without having to come out and do it herself for convenience to harass, was discussed.
The S/Ws were in their Atty.'s office and Andy and I were in ours for the final drafting and signing, and both Attys. were in constant contact on the phone over the issues,the Counterpart/ Facsimile Signature legal process being used,pg. 6, #11.
This tape/cd situation was one of the last ones discussed while we all were at our Attys'offices finishing drafting this.I did suggest to my Atty. that they should be out with this when it was going on,thinking that might stop it as it was nothing they would put up with.That was layman's terms and not used. Used was:
Pg.3 E)Excerpt."They shall not engage in conduct that would be offensive to a reasonable person."and
. Pg.3 F)"They agree to keep audible activity in their backyard within reasonable limits."
Both the S/Ws and their Atty. knew what that was what that was for,as that was one of the last things discussed and that was meant to resolve that,among the other issues.
Again, the S/Ws and their Atty. knew,at the final drafting and signing,all in attendence,that that,pg.3E),F), was what it was for,and to stop and resolve that situation,cd/tape/radio, with recourse.
After the instated injunction,the situation with that already explained: With the orange plastic fence, necessary and also a visual aid put up between the garages to stop the trespassing, banging, harassing,yelling,etc.,there,and with no interior fence and then an interior fence with visibility,8 ft. off the pool,to stop Lori from standing behind it screech singing, threatening,and talking to us,let alone banging, screaming,yelling threats,and spraying over it,etc.,etc., with all or some of them right out with her, they opted for the tape/cd technique and used it extensively ,feeling protected in LHP, as if the LHP situation would stop anything with the Injunction and it did.They know what they are doing,and have said they are doing it, and in LHP,they can.
When the Injunction was drafted, they didn't say they didn't do any of it,they just knew in LHP, they could.Hence the necessary Injunction,which they violated an the city disregarded.This is still shocking,the behavior of both parties.
The only option,I had was to start emailing, as all of this was beyond belief, again.
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8-10-09.Sun Sentinel,Editorial
Lighthouse Point should not still be trying to cover up the nine year harassing and stalking situation. See www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. Thank you.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-12-09. Mayor Schorr,
If Commander M.Oh is trying to say he did not know what was going on, he should be reminded that in a city of this size, it is just too incompetent to not know what was going on,especially with the continual ruckus the S/Ws were making and with a pending circuit court case.
Whether he did it on purpose or did not know, five and a half targeted years of this,before it went to the Chief, is too long for a sense of salaried job entitlement, although the legal wrangling over that will become more important than the issues.
There are no LHP residents that would be too happy about paying tens of thousands of dollars and puttng in all that time to try and stop all this while putting up with it, or who would stop complaining about it.
There are no LHP residents who would want to hear, "gee, that's' in the past'", especially since, when it was 'in the present', there was defiantely no help with it.
There is not enough flim flam anywhere to cover up that over five and a half targeted years and the following over three and a half years with the over three years of an instated Sett.Agree.to stop and prevent harassment and stalking.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.?
Note: 8-12-09.After months and months, Mr.Starr is now not on the wrong side of the road hugging this easment as routine. He left and returned on a regular known schedule for years. It was a little strange that there was never a patrol car around in the morning when he left to tell him not to do that. The point was not to have him get a ticket,it was to get him to stop.There's not that much going on in this city. The avioidance was obvious, especially since the S/Ws could get and got patrol cars here for whatever whacky reason they wanted whenever they wanted as a standard for years.
His mindset is still unnerving,loud conversations their backyard,as if he/they are still entitled to harass this residency anytime he/they want and will think of ways to do it and get around it. He is always quite confident. He did get a lot of backup and reinforcement.They all did. This should have been over in a maximum of six months.
I am now using the pool daily,no company,already explained. If Lori comes out to use their pool and I am in or go to use this pool, she complains that I am out there. Protected mindset.This is not trival or picky.It is a reinforced probably now ireversible pattern. She/they did control,shut down,etc.,etc., this backyard and entire residency for years with a lot of help. cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
8-18-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-18-09.Mayor Schorr,
Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process? Why do the S/Ws continue to receive such undeserved protection? The cost for legal counsel for doing this this is now approx.$5,000.00 due to the mess law enfor. made covering this up and protecting the S/Ws. Why does this residency continually have to be the money pit for straightening this out?
What is this process of dealing with the S/Ws with things being 'off the cuff', 'unofficial', 'off the record', and of course,'not written'? When the Chief,spring 06,post Sett.Agree.,was complained to about the S/Ws still trespassing and harassing, yelling, taunting,etc.,between the garages out to the driveways,he should have followed through and done something. Instead, the S/Ws got patrol cars here at least three times trying to stop the fence from going up to keep them out and off of the 3-4 ft. of property they had just taken as theirs and and from doing the rest there.
When the Chief was complained to,08,post Sett.Agree.,about the intolerable,harassing, repetitive cd technique,he should have followed through and done something about it. Instead he made excuses for the S/Ws and it went on for over a year.
At least,that insulting,lame excuse, a lie,conjured up during the first five and one half years, Hawkins,Oh/Com.Lias.policies, that this residency did not go through the proper channels to complain, is no longer being used.
However, the supposedly proper channel of talking directly to the Chief for three and one half years produced the above explained process. Patrol car visit during that time were for whatever whacky reasons the S/Ws wanted, not to stop them.This has already been explained and explained.
What hasn't been explained is the use of this process to cover for the S/Ws.
After five and one half years of misinformation and lies, then it went to the Chief, there is a certain element of surprise to some people that that residency had/has a certain level if sophistication and brains.What was the flip side to this? If people are disenfranchised and unsophisticated, the S/Ws could pound on them with law enfor. protection?
Where are the reports? The S/Ws' mindset is still brazen and unnerving with loud discussions on how to handle this.They have the confidence of assurance of law enfor. protection and coverup.
Did anyone ever ask them if they violated any or all of the Sett.Agree.on a report?
Or would that be just not protecting them from the violations process which appeared to be the motive all along, along with protecting them from everything else?
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8-19-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-19-09.Mayor Schorr,
Re: CD technique: Holiday season,07,through all 2008.A Sett.Agree.violation.'The Issue CD'. foreign language.
The S/Ws blasted this 'issue cd' over and over for hours and hours for months and months,Lori coming outside to restart it and restart it, announcing they could and would do it, brazenly,loudly discussing how there was no way to stop it.post Sett.agree.This was intolerable by anyone's standards.I complained and complained a lot.Then after months and months, the 'issue cd', went off.
The Chief said that maybe the S/Ws got tired of it and didn't want to hear it anymore.This didn't seem likely as this was intolerable harassment and it didn't seem as if the S/Ws would give it up that easily. Besides they weren't outside with it.
A while later, the Chief told me that he had asked them to turn it off.
The S/Ws then just immediately continued with different made repetitive cds at various volumes left on outside,Lori coming out to restart them and change them.Some of those were the same 2-5 minutes over and over for 30-45 mins. So,the S/Ws were still doing the same thing to deliberately harass,a violation, and they still loudly discussed how they could and would do it and gloated.This has all been already discussed and explained.This was complained and complained about at length See emails.It was months and months later when Det.L.Hawkins got his award, that that cd technique violation was finally stopped.
If the Chief feels unappreciated for the effort he put in to get that 'issue cd' off, a Sett.Agree.violation, it was appreciated.
Can I please have a report about that Sett.Agree.violation,the one with the Chief's well appreciated effort in the stopping of that part of it? Thank you.
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Further explanation: two appreciated actions to alter by the Chief:
#1. After five and one half years of the S/Ws' targeted screaming for hours at this residency,while and while not trespassing,along with everything else, the Chief,05, said that screaming at this residency for hours was inappropriate behavior and would not be tolerated. So, the S/Ws immediately downsized to screaming at intervals and in spurts,especially while trespassing in between the garages as this was very close proximity to this residency,along with everything else,until that orange plastic fence,post Sett.Agree.,was put up there for 14 months,to stop them from trespassing and doing that there,kind of like a visual aid to let them know not to do that yelling, taunting, and harassing there.This was complained and complained about a lot.See emails.
. #2. After about six months-insert the correct date,the Chief knows it,-of that intolerable blasting 'issue cd', post Sett.Agree.,the Chief,08, asked the S/Ws to turn it off. So the S/Ws immediately downsized to different, made, harassing, repetitive cds at various volumes.This was complained and complained about a lot,see emails, and continued for months until Det. Hawkins got his award.
It's important to praise law enfor.for the benefit they give the community.
The Chief actually did do those two things.
In both cases, there was a situation, the Chief did something, and that situation was altered.
Regarding the second situation, may I please have the report for the Sett.Agree.violations process with the Chief's well appreciated and recognized action and alteration of that part of the violation? Thank you.
There has been a lot of complaining about the S/Ws' undeserved protection and coverup by law enfor. for over nine years while they outrageously harassed,stalked,trespassed,banged,lied,sprayed,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc. The Chief did do those two altering things.
I recognize the importance of not complaining or saying something relatively uncomplimentary here about the too little,too late,drop in the bucket, two alterations,but I'm sure the the urge to do so can be understood. This last sentence should probably be eliminated on the blog.
The finale,Year 2008,was really terrible and not that easily forgettable,especially with that easily applicable, usable cd technique,and especially after dealing with all the preceding years.This harassment stop is still very,very tenacious.The mindset is still unnerving.
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Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process?
Did anyone ask the S/Ws on report if they violated any or all of the Sett.Agree.?
Where's the report for the Sett.Agree.violations process,the over year long cd harassment technique,that the Chief,08, partly altered?
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-20-09. Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process,especially the intolerableover year long one that the Chief altered in the middle?This should have been put up for only a maximum of a month at most,which would have been enough for anyone,even without having put up with the preceding years.The Sett.Agree. should have been used to stop that.That's what it was for,to stop and prevent.
There are provisions in it for compounded fines for repeat violations,so the same thing isn't done over and over.That is a good document and should have stopped any more problems, except,of course, the S/Ws still had law enfor.backup.
There was no concern for this residency putting up with something intolerable almost every day in 2008,even with an instated Agree.to prevent and stop it,especially to prevent repeats and repeats and repeats..
Regarding that18ft.6ft.piece of shadowbox fence deliberately dislodged and thrown into this backyard and left here.It took time to dislodge it,it was hanging on a 45 degree angle facing the other way.to do that. This wasn't the worst violation but it was definitely an 'in your face,we can do what we want' one.With the Chief working so directly with code enfor.,this should have been handled properly,not covered up with some lame excuse such as changing fence ownership when it was time to define the situation for the Sett.Agree. process Again,this wasn't the worst, but is was definitely indicative of the city's well maintained procedure for handling anything with anything the S/Ws did.
Again, where's the reports?The following email has already been sent.
8-10-9.Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
Why doesn't someone ask the S/Ws on a report-
Did they throw a 6ft.18.ft piece of shadowbox fence into this yard and leave it here after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they trespass and trespass and harass,until the orange mesh fence was put up to keep them out,after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they use made, repetitive cds Holiday season 07 and all of 08, various volumes and contents, standard technique, announcing they could and would do it and gloat, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they lie to and misinform law enfor.on or off a report, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they violate any or all of the Sett.Agree.?
The S/Ws have had loud discussions and arguments about their strategy handling this, a big concern about getting caught lying on a report as they would be fined twice, once for doing it and again for lying on a report about it.There appeared to be a big concern and how to get around it.'-
Please be reminded of the compounded provisions for repeat violations in the Sett.Agree.
The S/Ws trespassed and trespassed and harassed for months after the Sett.Agree.until that orange mesh fence went up,along with the other violations,over and over and over.
This residency put in a lot of expense and time time for years trying to stop all this.The second atty.hired was quite good, in fact,too good for this type of situation,which should have been stopped in a maximum of six months.Thank you.
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Already blogged above,'same subjects'This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.The S/Ws are acting up,getting more brazen,8-23-09,Mr.Starr coming outside,backyard, to'yell talk' complaining about the situation with Lori,the first approx.1:30 P.M.,noticeable as it was audible into this sitting room porch and again at approx.3:45 P.M.when I was trying to use the pool alone.The second was way too obvious,loud and long.Lori doesn't need any encouragement to continue this.She has been very capable of running this show all by herself.
This is not trivial.The mindset is still too unnerving,determined, and now probably irreversible. Later, Lori and John came out and John did his full blast running thing right up to this interior fence chasing an iguana which did not run into this yard anyway but ran right back under their tree.Andy was alone in the pool at the time.Again it is unnerving to see John running full blast up to this interior fence because you don't expect it and don't know what he is going to do,probably the point in getting that close to the interior fence to do something annoying,not necessary,and which doesn't work.Blog after 7-24,8-03,same subject.
Already blogged above,'same subject'8-30-09. Noon.Lori sits in their backyard facing this residency,with an umbrella sideways in front her blocking her from view and turns music on and off soft,but audible into this sitting room porch,and complains when I go into the backyard.She also leaves it on it on louder and longer.This is probably to try to provoke a reaction. If done to taunt and annoy,it does. This is not trivial or picky.That extensive and deliberate 2008 cd technique is still not easily forgotten, which was a Sett.Agree.compounded violation no one could put up with and the S/Ws got away with it, and it could just start up all over again. This is still a slippery slope.This was never about just playing music.The mindset is still determined.They would if they could.This has already been explained.Where's the reports for the compounded violations?cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.This part blogged after 7-24,8-03-09.same subject.
8-24-09.Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded the this residency still is not pleased with the amount of time or the expense of the nine year ordeal.
Please be reminded that the people causing that are still being protected and the people protecting them are still employed, except Det.Hawkins who received the Keeper Days Award.
It's generally thought that Commander M.Oh would not have put up with any of this for more than one month at his residency.
As proper procedure,the Mayor and the Commission President were advised, 8-06, that there was a bad problem with the S/Ws and law enfor.and there was a request for only reimbursement. letter,blog,reply long.
The result was an in your face reply from Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,which only served to continue the problem.
This residency then decided to longer finance it's Atty.,having already produced the Sett.Agree.and the above mentioned letter, for any more interaction with the city due to the resulting continuing flim flam from law enfor.and the city over this whole thing.
The website and emails were then used,both a necessity for any kind of assistance from anywhere.
Any further interaction between this astute Atty.and the city or law enfor. will not be financed by this residency, due to the waste of time and money.
In layman's terms,if anyone want to discuss anything with this Atty.using the standard flim flam process, this residency will not pay for it. No one at that law firm will probably just talk to anyone anyway.It's already too obvious and well known how this thing was handled.
This residency does expect reimbursement and damages.
Any LHP resident would expect the same thing.
Thank you.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree violations process? How long does protection and coverup go on?
8-26-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may actually have tried to help.Re:Opposition tactics by S/Ws,law enfor.,city
8-26-09.Mayor Schorr,This residency expects reimbursement and damages.
This residency will not file a lawsuit to start this.
The city can use every deep pocket legal maneuver as a deterrent.
There has already been one lengthy filed lawsuit to stop the S/Ws, where every legal maneuver, was used while the S/Ws continued to harass,stalk, trespass,etc,the entire duration throughout it with law enfor.protection.
The point of giving the S/Ws and their law enfor.all this protection and the city's eventual response to continuing it was pointless.
Counteracting all this was very draining, time consuming and expensive.
The determined actions of the S/Ws ,their law enfor.and eventually the city are still baffling and inexcusable by any standards,except the one standard that 'we can and do what we want'.
This approach is not innovative.The city was already given a window to settle this and it responded by continuing the problem. Thank you.
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8-31-09. Mayor Schorr,
Your lack of response and inactivity in straightening this out may be misconstrued or appear to be agenda based compliance approval with the way things were/are handled regarding the S/Ws and law enfor.
The/your 2006 response was direct compliance as to the way things were handled.
Emails cannot be excused as improper channels.
All proper channels to handle this,extensive and expensive on the part of this residency, were disregarded,over and over.
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What is LHP's slogan? "LHP-Stalkers' Paradise.We mean it! You pay for it!"
Where's the reports for the compounded violations?The S/Ws' mindset is still unnerving.
The complaint concerning the S/Ws and law enfor.and the open window for settlement were disregarded for instead continuation.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone,Commissioner,etc.,who may have actually tried to help.
9-02-09. Re:LHP News.Sept.-Oct.2009.Commissioners Corner.' There Is No Substitute For Good Government.' by Commissioner Chip Lamarca. Point:A good city commission is one that does not in-fight.This bland,safe,almost substanceless article is not surprising and as an attempt at good city PR, a stretch.
As former Commission President, more time should have been spent paying attention to the law enfor.mess for years and years in this city than in actively endorsing and and campaigning,Broward campaign head,for the sitting sheriff's position,especially while this intense law enfor. protected harassment and stalking situation was still going on here.
He was sent and received all the emails,the only avenue for assistance,now blogged,for all of 2008,starting at the beginning of 2008.
It is not exactly tenable to ask the sheriff's dept. for help with a small town law. enfor. problem while the Commission President of the small town is actively campaigning for the sitting head sheriff, and asking was not done,then or yet.
Though not the most relevant or strongest subplot in this whole mess, putting up with that intolerable,extensive,expensive situation after years, while this was being done, is not a very amusing dichotomy.
Again,while not the most relevant or intense subplot in this entire situation,it has been looming for months to address this dichotomy.
This overall situation has not been resolved.Thank you.
Please note, this commissioner entered this political career by defeating then Commissioner M.C.Wiess, who in a left field kind of way, tried to challenge Cmdr.M.Oh. In this city,Cmdr.M.Oh still does not get challenged.Thank you.
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9-02-09.LHP News,
Can Chief Licata address harassing and stalking and what to do about it? His expertise on this subject may be interesting.Thank you.
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Added.Please be reminded,Chief Licata told me,9-10-08,if I wanted help,to go to the sheriff's dept.See email 9-10-08.
Sent.9-08-09.Mayor Schorr,
Where are the reports for the compounded violations? This method of nothing 'written' to try and cover this up is not how this ends. That 3 and1/2 years of dealing directly with the Chief was a waste and a drain. At any time then,if anyone asked,it could be and was said,' there are no reports from that residency', because there was not complaint calling through the station, because the complaints were being called into the Chief either directly talking to him or by leaving messages,and there were a lot of complaints. Who was advising that complaints could/would be handled this way as if there were none? It would have been a lot easier if the S/Ws had immediately been fined and liened after the Sett.Agree.One or two might have stopped them.Instead of the situation continued all the way through 2008 with a lot of work to try to stop it.The Chief just decided there was nothing wrong with what the S/Ws were doing or just to cover it up,and that was how it was handled.You would have thought that complaints that the S/Ws were still harassing and trespassing after the Sett.Agree.between the garages out to the north interior,would have been given some consideration and action and there were plenty of calls to him about that.You would have though he would have acted on that. Cmdr.M.Oh should still not be employed.I don't think there is anyone who can stand to listen to the website audio nonstop,Dec.99-June 05,when the situation then went to the Chief,and putting up with this was a regular routine with in your face law enfor. protection, along with all the rest. No one employed should be this incompetent or devious. This standard policy of not giving any assistance when things are 'in the present' and then saying things are 'in the past',may slide by on paper but remains unresolved in the big picture.Please be reminded, the policies continued after the 05 input.That in your face cd technique for all of 2008 never should have happened,alone,or especially after all the preceding.If this were a movie, people would be astonished it was non-fiction.It should be a documentary and may be. The amount of time and expense this residency had/has to spend to counteract the S/Ws and their law enfor. remains unresolved and not forgotten and not that easily covered up.cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
9-08-09.The S/Ws' mindset is still too unnerving, too instantaneously ready to do something.See Labor Day,9-07-09,blogged above,same subject,before 7-09,serving as a really stark reminder and flashback of exactly how much this residency had to put up with which was beyond incredulous.They are probably still calling in trying to do that harassing patrol car visit thing because anyone just being in this backyard 'bothers' them.They were very successful at shutting down this backyard and residency for years with biased backup.That harassing patrol car thing was really annoying to say the least because there was no control over how,what and when that would happen,just what he S/Ws wanted,while they were really harassing with law enfor. backup.At least training cops got field experience on how to do bad law enfor,work instead of just being instructed about it in proxy. If the S/Ws wanted hired goons to help them harass, they should have paid for them themselves instead of using taxpayers' money.The Chief especially gets paid way to much to have used a containment policy with this residency while covering for the S/Ws and their law enfor.And, there's the preceding 5 and 1/2 years of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policy, when Cmdr.M.Oh was just too 'unaware' or devious to stop all this.He's still here.Thank you. Have a good day.cc :http://www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
Already blogged above,'same subject'.9-07-09.The S/Ws revive an old harassment method. Labor Day 4:45 P.M.I was trying toy sit out by the edge of the pool.Andy was in the house.The S/Ws had a toy mechanical boat which works by remote control which they would run around the deeper end of their pool for closer proximity which makes an extremely loud honking noise sounding almost like a saw, which they would use to harass anyone in this backyard.The S/Ws used this then,intermingled with the other forms of harassment.They do not have to be out with it to use it. I have tapes not yet on the website when Andy and the grandchildren are in the backyard and the honking is so loud you can't even hear them trying to talk to each other.This was/is deliberately to harass and to provoke.Now they are using it again.That was a surprise to see and hear that circling in the deep end of their pool,and a stark reminder of how intense things were as routine. The S/Ws just don't want anyone in this backyard and were very successful at getting that for years with biased backup. Mr.Starr and Lori were home and they both went quickly in and out of both residencies while it was running.They haven't used this for years.They used that extensive repetitive cd technique for all and before 2008 which was worse than hours of this. I got out of the backyard, their point.This is audible into the house,sitting room porch.This particular situation has already been addressed in the emails.inset dates.This is not trivial or picky. It is to annoy and keep this backyard empty.This mindset is very bad and they've gotten a lot of reinforcement that they can do what they want.This deliberate loud honking thing is something no one would want to hear again after just one session and especially not over and over.The S/Ws don't even stay out with it.It's the same as a deliberate repetitive tape technique,that slippery slope.It probably is a violation,the frequency,timing,and lengths to be kept aware of because it could go on for hours instead of the cd technique.The well protected S/Ws are getting brazen again. They knew they would get covered on the Sett.Agree. Violations and did,and putting up with all that was intolerable while they gloated.Again this is not trivial. It is to annoy and taunt,and it does.Bad reinforced mindset. This issue to be continued.......Complaining about a mechanical boat may appear 'crank' and that had to be considered so as not to in any way minimize the big picture,but it is a device to make a loud repetitive noise and was used for that when the made tapes and cds weren't used.The S/Ws are good with devices.cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.blogged after7-24,8-03,same subject.
Sent 9-08-09.Mayor Schorr, Where's the reports for the compounded Sett.Agree.violations? Please be reminded of the hours and hours of the made blasting 'bongo tapes', pre-Sett.Agree.,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, insert dates web audio ,with the screaming threats and taunts on them so Lori did not have to come outside and do it herself for her convenience,but also coming out to do it simultaneously with them for double effect or to do it without them.After all that and with all the rest, the Sett.Agree. should not have been disregarded. 2008 and the preceding months should never have happened with that intolerable deliberate repetitive cd technique which the Sett.Agree.was supposed to prevent.The S/Ws should not have gotten and still be getting such biased protection.Thank you.cc: www,lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
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Sent 9-08-09.Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the compounded Sett.Agree.violations? Please be reminded of the hours and hours of the made blasting 'bongo tapes', pre-Sett.Agree.,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, insert dates web audio ,with the screaming threats and taunts on them so Lori did not have to come outside and do it herself for her convenience,but also coming out to do it simultaneously with them for double effect or to do it without them.
After all that and with all the rest, the Sett.Agree. should not have been disregarded. 2008 and the preceding months should never have happened with that intolerable deliberate repetitive cd technique which the Sett.Agree.was supposed to prevent.The S/Ws should not have gotten and still be getting such biased protection.Thank you.
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9-10-09. Again,the candyapple red 1978 Granada parked at the south side of this residency is tagged and insured and runs.If anyone is interested it will be sold but this takes someone who specifically wants that kind if vehicle.This appears to be the latest S/Ws' endeavor to complain about this residency and to get paid city employees to run around in circles for them,again.
Code enfor.,patrol cars, have already checked that vehicle out,one parking diagonally on this easement to do so. A few weeks ago, a young LHP public works employee with a public works vehicle and in uniform pulled up and knocked on this kitchen door, not the outside porch door or the front door with doorbells, and inquired about the vehicle, kind of implying he wanted to buy it,but slipped up when he said he 'was tired of seeing it there'.I don't remember his name but he had tatoos on his lower leg.He said he would check back in two weeks and I called public works in about that time to say it was still available for their worker if he wanted it.
There has been a long nine year history in LHP of young city employees, patrol cars, etc.usually with no financial residential responsibilities of their own,helping the S/Ws bother, harass, and ruin this residency,as paid city employees,and the younger they were, the more insulting it was. 9-10-09.Lori could be heard yelling in her backyard,'it's still there'. Shortly,there was a city public works employee, orange vest,vehicle in street, talking loud enough on his cell phone between the interior garages it was audible into this house as to how it was noticed, saying something to the effect, all was not discernable,that it was not at that residency but between 3540 and 3520,at the south side by the pole.Again, paid city employees should not be running around in circles to service the S/Ws, but this was definitely established during the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era from the beginning and adhered to. And young training cops needed to train on something. reposition to after 7-24,8-03 'same subjects.'
9-16-09.I had been in and out of this backyard.Lori and John came out and really complained about me being out there.Mr Starr came out.Then,3:45 P.M.,the 'honking boat' started up, at about 1/3 to 1/2 the volume, with Mr.Starr and Lori staying out with it this time.I got out of the backyard Even at that volume, it is still a repetitive device,and a slippery slope into that big mess again. I immediately started emailing before it went to full volume and they went inside and left it on,the usual procedure. Instead, it stayed at that volume and they stayed out with it,45 minutes.About 35 minutes into this,I heard someone say," What is that umbrella for?" and Mr.Starr said," So Gail can't look at Lori." At that time my computer wasn't working and I was dealing with that because I really wanted to email to stop this from escalating,so I didn't look to see who was talking to Mr.Starr. Later,I thought, what if that was someone from the city who only saw a toy boat at average volume with people outside with it? The city/law enfor. has always tried to minimize or deny anything it could to cover for the S/Ws and here was a good way to do that to minimize the big picture. This was a deliberate harassing loud device used when the tapes/cds weren't being used. It is probably time to put those tapes on the audio web, when the noise was so loud, Andy couldn't talk to the grandchildren in the backyard, the point,and that was done for hours Now it's back. Anyone who listened to that thing deliberately blasting over and over would not want to hear it even at a lower volume.Anyone who put up with all of 2008, would not want to hear anything repetitive.This should not be minimized.This is a slippery slope.The whole thing could just start up all over again and slowly has.cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog. Reposition to after 7-24,8-03 'same subjects'.
9-17-09.1:40 P.M.Mr.Starr again exits on wrong side of the road.
9-21-09.The beige Lincoln Continental parked in this north driveway is tagged,insured,and runs.The owner has two residencies,one on the beach on Hillsboro Mile and one up north.This is the vehicle used only while in FL.and it needs to be started and run while he's gone.Today, I started it up just as Lori and John came into their driveway,Lori from their house and John driving in.They had a bit of a discussion and it appears that that was going to be the next complaint endeavor.I went into the pool and Mr.Starr made it a point to be outside backyard to talk loudly on his cell phones,car gist,all was not discernable,as if he wanted me to hear.
The S/Ws for years took down license plates of people coming here and tried to cause trouble such as yelling that they tried to run them off the road someplace else,etc.,etc.,even if the people were in their 70's. No one was immune.It is hoped they are not going to bother that owner, but the situation with the S/Ws is known outside this city and has been for since the beginning.One woman, this car owner's neighbor, really upset and paying attention to the situation through the early years finally told her son,Mr.Wayne Hizenga's, check spelling, personal business attorney and he said to get in touch with him to see if he could help and he kept an open line for weeks.He couldn't believe this had one on for that long.This was late 05,after the horriffic early to middle 05 situation when the S/Ws were really fierce and invincible and we needed a really good atty.He did try but he was a civil business atty and his contacts were civil.We finally just hired a really good dual atty.we got ourselves to stop the problem,which was disregarded by law enfor. and the city.
Anyway, the car is explained and it is hoped no one gets bothered by the S/Ws about it.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
9-11-09.This is the anniversary of 9-11,and on that day,with all there was to think about,Lori still went in and out to scream at and threaten this residency at this interior fence for hours with all the S/Ws home.audio web date.There was no one to help with this,with well established Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies that this could be done.The S/Ws have a long well remembered history of biased protection and cover up.
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Note:At that time,9-11-01,there was already a filed Circuit Court case to stop the harassing and stalking.The S/Ws continued anyway as a regular routine and the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policies that they could remained intact.The law enfor. position impeded the court process.This continued,intensely,until 5-05, when two Commissioners were contacted for assistance,and the and harassing and stalking got somewhat watered down,but started back up again,even with aSett.Agree.to prevent it, and emailing had to be used through all of 2008 to try and stop it. What kind of law enfor.is this? Why is Cmdr. M.Oh still working? Exactly why did the S/Ws get so much biased protection,for nine years? This situation could have been handled in a maximum of six months.There are no LHP residents who would put up with this,no matter how much coverup was/is tried.
9-14-09.Mayor Schorr,The quality of fiscal operations in the city is laudable.The destructive lunacy of the years of the S/Ws and their law enfor. is not. It is not amusing to have to pay tens of thousands of dollars and expend all that time and effort to correct this..This situation is not 'fixed'.There is still the situation of the reports for the compounded Sett.Agree.violations and the reimbursement and damages situation.Thank you.
9-28-09.LHP News.Can the chief address harassing and stalking and what to do about it when lawenfor.is all lawyered up to continue it? After the expensive and time consuming over nine year unsettled ordeal, discussing purse snatching and avoiding this topic does not suffice.Thank you.
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It is especially grating the amount of salary he was receiving during the 3and1/2 years stuck talking to him. He also flipped, 9-10-08, the one ofc.who tried to logically stop this from the very beginning but was thwarted by the Hawkins/Oh./Com.Lias. policies. 07,the unfinished and incomplete website went up with a description of this ofc.'s early attempts at this,which was commendable.I had brought up this ofc.'s name,summer 08,when really looking for assistance from anywhere and hadn't had contact with him since the beginning when he was thwarted.I should not have reinvolved him as that meant he then had no avenue for standard work with this,just meshed into the mess.
It is beyond annoying and dispicable that this residency continued still putting up with all of this,while the chief continued with the lame excuses,'it didn't happen or if it did,it was in the past',while it was still going on,with a lot of complaints to him from this residency.Commander M.Oh should still not be employed. If he and Det.L.Hawkins hadn't defiantely maintained that 5and 1/2 yrear position,the Chief couldn't have defiantely maintained his 3and 1/2 year position,with an instated Sett.Agree. for prevention for at least 3 years during his control.There are a lot of subplotplots as to how PR was handled in this city,none of which helped with a logical end to the problem.
There is a central sort of dumbness that all this can still be maintained and covered up and opposition stifled.Thank you.
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Where's the reports for the compounded Sett..Agree.violations? The minset is still unnerving.Spending tens of thousands of dollars,filing a circuit court case, putting up a website, and emailing for over a year,while still puting up with the problem, is not free work by any residents' standards.
9-14-09. LHP Magazine
Can the Mayor address and explain the relationship between the mayor and the Chief of police and law enfor.? This is confusing to some residents. If there is a problem with law enfor.,should the mayor be notified?The mayor's wife,'expressing her own opinion',explained by the Chief, in her C.O.P.S.uniform with a C.O,P.S.vehicle,on a call, immediately said "you should have moved!" when addressing a problem involving a resulting aspect of that.That was correctly stated as the only given option.Thank you.
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10-21-09. There has been a wierd sequence of events.On 10-19,20-09,I sent out an unedited, unfinished email with a base remark about the Chief. Usually,I state specifics,and not being happy about them,trying to keep the blog analytical.but, this was a base remark.There is a lingering annoyance over the way this residency was treated for over nine years,with lame excuses given while beng really harassed,and the expense, but there are better ways to express this than that. Stuck talking to him for three and a half years while really being harassed was not easy. Almost on a whim,this email was sent to the Observer,who never replies, but did print one editorial.This time there was a reply,probably automated, to follow editorial rules, and I replied that this was not an editorial,but the standard sent email to be blogged.
The last sentence in that email was the fear that the S/Ws could just start up that cd technique all over again,and by late afternoon, 10-20-09,that's exactly what he S/Ws were doing,initially blasting it so its presence would be known, Mr. Starr defiantely sitting out in this backyard with a large recorder/radio on the table next to him with Lori in and out complaining. I didn't say anything as the S/Ws were always trying to start a two party situation with anyone who came over here.
Mr.Starr should not be encouraging Lori.She is good enough at doing all this herself and has instrutred the others.John has always acted as if he can and will do what he wants.
Approx.4P.M.,I had been out alone in this backyard and I moved my lounge chair not realizing Mr.Starr had come out in between the houses, and he immediately slammed his gate many times, and I thought ,oh no, this isn't going to start up again.The S/Ws have long maintained that anyone just being in this backyard bothers them and even moving a chair to sit in it bothers them, and Lori actually kept something to hit right next to her at her pool edge while in her pool,so if anyone came out to this backyard and made any noise at all, she could whack it loud without having to get out of the pool to do it.
Mr.Starr then came out to the their backyard,with Lori in and out,with the large visible recorder/ radio, initially blasting it,as to how it's presence was known, then switching it from soft to moderate volume for over and hour.
If this was meant to taunt and annoy,it did.
Anyone blasted for over nine years with deliberate made repetitive tapes/cds would just not want to hear any more,especially since this harassment technique was extensively used for all of 2008 and the holiday season 07,going from blastng for hours to diffferent volumes of repetition,some of those the same 2-5 minutes over and over for 30-45 minutes,even with a Sett.Agree.to prevent it,-Lori had been making threatening,taunting tapes to leave on outside so she didn't have to come outside to do it for her convenience but did come out to do it along with them for double harassment or without them in general, and this had to be stopped along with eveything else with the Set.Agree..-Again,this cd technique was extensively used for deliberate harassment,07,all of 08,while the S/Ws gloated that they could do it. This was very effective.
No one putting up with this would want to hear even one note or one noise sound again.
It is a taunting reminder of the past and that it could just start up all over again, probably the point,and the point that they can and will do something harassing. It seemed as if something was still on for a while after they both went inside but I could not see from what.
The S/Ws are too good at devices to make repetitive sounds and noises.As already stated, they started out with made tapes,a radio on static,and a clown horn.
It also seemed as if the S/Ws were tauting,10-20, so I would call someone. It was as if they were out there defintely wanting a confrontation. And if anyone from the city showed up,it would be an average family with a moderate volume recorder and they could complain about the complaint.
The city has long minimized incidents to minimize and cover up the big picture,even when the incidents were outrageous and obvious.I did look to see what they were doing but trying to be discreet from close to this house outside and from the inside,because of that special S/Ws' rule that they could do what ever they wanted,but if you looked at them while they were doing it,it was harassing them and they could and did get patrol cars for that without any help to stop them from doing it. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies established at the beginning.
This is a slippery slope.This was never just about playing music.Let's hope this does not slowly start up again.
Again,anyone putting up with the above stated,would not want to hear even one repetitive note or noise as it is a deliberate reminder that the whole technique could just start up again for deliberate purposes.No one would probably want to hear or put up with anything anymore at this point.
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The following is the unfinished,unedited email,sent ot 10-19,20-09, unfortunately with the base remark about the Chief in it, and the fear of the cd technique starting up again. If already sent, it may not be sent with this email.
Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.which was supposed to stop amd prevent all this? Why did the city disegard the Sett.Agree.on behalf of the S/Ws?
Sent 10-19-09 and 10-20-09 Happy Decade Anniversary
Re: 'Sandy On Society'.Being an active city commissioner and a determined columist is a dual responsibility not easily done by most accomplished people without some conflict.
Re: 'Sandy On Society'10-15.Perhaps in his next costumed picture, Halloween is coming,the Chief could put on a McGruff the crime dog suit and his captions could say things like,'Stay in school!' or 'If ya been harassed and stalked for five and a half years,talk to me for three and a half years and I'll work with ya real good! Remember your checkbook! In LHP,ya'll need expensive attys. to stop this!'
When dealing with a really crass,low leveled, adversarial situation for a decade, it is sometimes necessary to lower the bar to communicate on that level although lowering the bar did/does not accomplish anything, is personally unsavory,and more than likely will not be used again on this blog.The situation remains unsettled. Gee whiz,thank you.Note:The Chief's lame excuses to cover for the S/Ws and their law enfor. in the face of so much continual harassment even with the Sett.Agree.did not rest well. And that was nothing compared to what Det.L.Hawkins/ Oh/ Com.Lias.let them get away with before.It seemed as if the main objective was to cover for the S/Ws and their law enfor.while they were ruining this residency with no concern for this residency.It probably was the main objective,especially with the mess made out of something that should have ben handled in a maximum of six months. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog
The following is the first email regarding the articles,' LHP, the Decade of Harassment and Stalking' It will be blogged one month early.'Happy Decade Anniversary!'-directed harassment and stalking following years of general major annoyance. edit,finish,send 11-09. In less than a month, it will be the decade anniversary of the the S/Ws' power hold with law enfor..backup in this city.
edit,finish.In Dec.99, after years of annoying all the neighbors, the S/Ws targeted this residency.After days of hours of Lori screaming directly at and directly threatening this residency describing exactly what she was going to do and did,with all the S/Ws out next to her, and of banging the fence and this interior gate,and of trespassing, she made her first law enfor.call against this residency,on my birthday,early Dec.,saying I was bothering her by calling on the phone,which never happened. I made one call not on that day directly speaking to Mrs.Starr to have a ladder returned they had borrowed and it was dumped on this property full of tar which we had to clean.
The responding ofc.on that day was Ofc.Edleman who became very loyal to the S/Ws' cause, returning again and again, and doing nothing about the complaints of the screaming, harassing and trespassing by all the S/Ws,even though Lori did it right in front of him,one time as I pulled into this driveway.They were both already here at this driveway.
So,I called Det.L.Hawkins and the rest is indelible LHP history of the S/Ws and their law enfor.
It should be noted that even with this residency's phone records checked, an insult,Lori was yelling that the records were wrong and they continued with that accusation for years as excuse for their behavior (?), while for years they actually announced and talked loud from their backyard that they were calling this residency and did and hung up.
This above was really minor,and may be deleted in the final editing so as not to mininmize this big picture, compared to the full force screaming threats,banging,blasting made tapes,and harassing anyone who came here, by all, while trespassing, etc., etc., etc., etc. for all those years.
Enough of all this has been written and documented already. See website and blog. Anyway, Happy Decade Anniversary! And, it's still not settled. The reinforced mindset is still daunting. More infor.to come. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on the blog.
For the first five and one half years, there was no stopping Det.L.Hawkins and Cmdr.M.Oh from handling this situation exactly how they wanted to.For the next three and one half years,while talking directly to the Chief and to city officials, there seemed to be no one in the city capable of redirecting the Chief to handle this right. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
The situation remains unresolved.Cmdr.M.Oh is still employed, there have been no settlement negotiations, there have been no reports for the Sett.Agree.violations' process, and the S/Ws' mindet is still unnerving and will probably have to be dealt with for life, and there is always the fear they will just start up all over again with their law enfor. backup especially the deliberate repetitve noise/music made tapes/cds which are easy to start sneaking in and then building up,a violation,let alone the really major issues already explained and explained. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
10-20-09.2P.M.Mr.Starr again drives out on the wrong side of the road. FP&Lwas working but left enough room for cars on the right side and their truck got through on that side.
4P.M.The cd technique starts up.Emails sent out about that. To be blogged.
10-21-09.The following is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help. 10-21-09.7P.M.I am in the north driveway Mr.Starr goes to his car.I go into the porch.Mr. Starr drives out on the right side of the road,looking straight ahead, but extending his arm to give the finger as he drives directly across from this residency on the right side of the road.It must be nice to be so confident and have so much protection for a decade.It is also reassuring that taxpayers' money was used for a decade to'better serve the community'.Why straighten something out in six months when it can be extended for a decade? Any atty.for the city can still say,'No problem.It's ok.Slam, dunk!'on this one. cc: website,blog
Reposition:10-28-09.Advising the Chief/tape and cd technique cont.10-28-09.The S/Ws also blasted made high pitched opereta tapes and cds, the kind used in horror films before the devil pops out or something,over and over deliberately left on outside.They knew what they were doing.
This was still done during the holiday 07 and all of 08 period, the extensive repetitive cd technique period, with the Sett.Agee.to prevent it. Who advised the Chief on that insultingly badly timed letter while all that was still going on? And who advised him to say to go the the Sheriff's Dept.?9-09.And who advised him to disregard the Sett.Agree.11-05.? And who advised the Hawkins/Oh/ Com/Lias. policies for the five and one half years before that? There seemed to be no concern for the detrimental effects of all this on this residency,just the concern to continue it and cover it all up.
Cd/tape technique cont. And please be reminded of the duration of bongo and wardrums tapes and cds with Lori chanting and threatening on them,insert audio website dates,deliberately left on outside over and over.Combine this with banging, screaming, screaming threats, trespassing while doing it,screech singing for hours,their horrific family fights full blast,their gloating they could do it, and their law enfor. backup to continue,and you have one impossible decade of unnecessary everything with still really lame coverup excuses still trying to be used.This was complely unnecessary time and expense on the part of a residency to try and counteract all of it with again, really lame excuses to cover it up and keep it going. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on the blog.Website and blog incomplete and needs reorganization.
10-24-09.Besides the decade anniversary of harassing and stalking coming up,this is the year anniversary of the S/Ws 'think rifle and electrocution' incidents,both still memorable, the first being especially scary as that's how people get hurt.That was really shocking.We never saw anything like that coming. Andy never deserved to be put in a position like that by anyone as innately evil and devious as the S/Ws,no matter how much ridiculous law enfor backup they had.
Luckily, the responding senior ofc. had a brain and responded well when told of the problem with the S/Ws and the Injuntion/Sett.Agree. to stop them from lying to and using law enfor.to help them harass.
The emails and mailed documents were definitely kept up after that, as for some still unexplainable reason the patrolmen and newer ofcs.were never told what had and was happening with this situation, just continual misinformation and flat out lying to cover it up, probably because of the mess made out of this by Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lisa., already explained.That would probably still be going on if it wasn't for the internet,emails,website,blog and sent documents to the patrolmen and others.
There is a movement from musicians complaining about their music being used at Guantanamo.There probably is no legal standing in blocking the choice of selection. At the very beginning,when the S/Ws were blasting so loud, you could hear them on three streets and into the park, I told Det.L.Hawkins that the S/Ws were tryring to 'waco us out', that technique having been used in Waco Texas. He discussed putting a machine in this yard to gauge the sound, but didn't.This was ridiculous as all you had to do was stand in the park to hear what the the S/Ws were doing. Particularly grating was the third world type radio station blasted on static for hours,with children in this yard,website audio insert date, after 911, that content as disturbing as the volume and duration, probably the point.The S/Ws brought that machine up in deposition but that was not my idea and not done.
The blasting continued along with everything else. Made tapes were left on outside of Lori rapping,web audio-insert date,'I can rock 'til 6 o'clock. I have an attorney!'.Someone must have told them they could blast/do that at certain times. After 6 PM.,they just switched back to the screaming, banging, trespasing, etc.,to continue and then went back to the blasting after 6P.M.anyway.There was no way to stop them, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies. The S/Ws had all their bases covered by code enfor.and law enfor.They still called in on anyone trying to have a pool party with regular music as it bothered them.
Extensively using that technique all of 2008 and the 07 holiday season never should have happened, especially with the Sett.Agree.to prevent it, while the Chief made lame excuses to cover for the S/Ws and their law enfor.,past and present. That technique should have been off during that time instead of all attempts to get it off thwarted. There was no concern for any detrimental effect on this residency with that or anything, just the concern to cover for the S/Ws and law enfor.which was impossible.
There had been disccussions as to the intelligence of those in charge.The S/Ws were smarter and better at this than anyone in this city and had told and were telling everyone what to do.It is not good when the lowest common denominator of behavior gets control, especially when patrolmen and patrol cars are used to continue it at taxpayers' expense
The mindset is still bad.The era of the S/Ws' absolute control is over,but they still think they deseve it, reinforced mindset, and they remain a problem probably for life.
This remains a modern horror story which would still probably still be going on full force if not for the internet,emails,web,blog, and mailed documents.
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10-24-09.Cmdr.M.Oh should stll not be working,He came here about same time the S/Ws moved here.He and Sgt.C.Oh,cofounder of C.O.P.S., had front row seats,the residency bordering this one to the south, for years to hear and see the S/Ws' over the top behavior, years before they targeted this residency and knew more about this than anyone what was going on.When this residency was targeted, they should have helped this residency, not helped the S/Ws do it. They both more the anyone knew what as going on.They cannot say they didn't know what was going on,but are still probably trying to do that anyway.
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The S/Ws are more than likely still lying to law enfor.and law enfor.is more than likely still covering it up.If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.,11-05,for that,it might have stopped that.
If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.for trespassing and trespasing and harassing,it might have stopped that.
If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.for throwing things into this yard,it mght have stopped that.
If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.for the cd technique,it might have stopped that.
But the upper echelon of law enfor.covered for the S/Ws while patrolmen were stuck riding around in circles dealing with this with conflicting instructions, at taxpayers' expense.
The emails,website,blog and mailed documents had to and still have to be sent to patrolmen, etc.
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.violation process?
It's not as if the S/Ws can deny violating every part of it, but they can depend on protection and coverup,and they have gloated over that audible from their backyard and between the garages
while they were doing it.
The city had the deep pocket for continuing this and has shown that it would and did do that.
These are wasted years of unnecessary intolerable annoyance for no good purpose.
And please be reminded that filing a circuit court case,emailing,sending documents,and puttng up a website and blog,as the only option, are not conidered standard by any residents' standards.Neither is putting up with all this.
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10-26-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help. Re: comments about inactivity in these two areas.
10-26-09. As far as resulting civil recuperation action, the only atty. known and trusted not to flip this, does not work on contingency. And you can be sure every deep pocket opposition maneuver would be used to try to stifle all this.
As far as help from the Sett.Agree.violations' process with atty.assistance, it is now an approx. $5,000.00 minimum due to the thwarting by law enfor.and city.The situation remains in the hands of local law enfor. A modern horror story.That leaves emailing.This is definitely the S/Ws' city.
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10-28-09 blogged before 10-24-09. Re: in part:Exactly who was advising the Chief to send that badly timed letter and to say to go to the Sheriff's dept.9-08, and to disregard the Sett.Agree.11-05? And, who was advising the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies for the five and one half years before that?
10-29-09.Mayor F.Schorr,
The fiscal expertise in running this city is laudable and appreciated,The lack of expertise in handling the S/Ws and their law enfor.for over a decade is not.The reinforced S/Ws don't want to stop and there are no more lame excuses for law enfor. Please reassess your mayoral skills and opportunities in handling this.The Atty. E.Bruce Johnson approach,9-06,was a disaster. Thank you. Seelighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates.Thank you.
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All emails have been regularly sent since1-08 to the mayor,city admin.,city clerk,code board, commissioners,approx10 law enfor.ofcs.,and many others.The law enfor.ofcs.were added later as necessity.All were sent documents.Three local newspapers were also emailed.
Law enfor.and the city did not try to stop this situation on their own They covered it up until they couldn't anymore.The situation remains precarious.
10-30-09.There is concern about blogging the first email below,as it may appear to be approaching a petty level, and this situaion and the complaints about it have been anything but that.But,there already is a certain degree of pettiness from people continuing and covering up this,as if this should never be complained about.
10-30-09. I have already complained about LHP Commissioner Sandy Johnson's dual role as an active city commissioner,aware of the nine year harassing and stalking situation with this residency,and as an ambitious columnist, constantly putting the same people continuing and covering this situation up, in her column as if there were no problems here.
After the first five and one half years,spring 05,Commissioner Sandy Johnson was the first Commissioner I went to for help and she was given the tapes now on the audio website.
Chief Licata called and I started talking to him. His concession was to say that this residency being screamed at for hours and hours was inappropriate behavior and would not be tolerated.So, the S/Ws started screaming at intervals and in shorter spurts.And the rest of the behavior continued.This was also fiercer and more intense.No one should have to listen to Lori trespassing and screaming that the the laws had been changed and she could now shoot someone in the back.Especially after all that happened in the preceding years.The S/Ws still had law enfor. protection to continue.
The Chief didn't budge. So,I approached a second Commissioner and sent him the tapes,who was intelligent and well meaning and spent a lot of time with the Chief trying to straighten this out.The Chief maintained his position,and the harassing and stalking continued for years.It took a wesite,07,blog,09,and emails,08 sent out to everyone including the patrolmen to try and stop all this,which still hasn't been resolved.
I made a regretable base comment,emails sent 10-19,20,-09, about the Chief's picture in Sandy's last column,10-15, mostly from a lingering resentment about being stuck talking to him for three and one half years while this was still going on.This wsn't necessary as I had already emailed and posted the complaints about that and have tried to keep things blogged analytical.
In Sandy's column this week,10-29,the Chief's photo opportunity is with scouts,with a mayor's son.
I do wish Commissioner and Columnist Sandy Johnson a speedy recovery.At least she can do it at a residency where she,anyone there,and anyone going there,does not have to be be screamed at,threatened, blasted with made tapes,etc.,etc by people with law enfor.protection.
If she had to put up with that,she might think twice about giving the Chief another good photo opportunuty,especially one which really seems above reproach,and good image and good damage control.
This is not a game,especially for a residency that has had to put so much time and expense into trying to stop something that never should have happened.If Rick Green didn't want anything about this printed, he didn't legally have to,but he isn't a commissioner trying to put a good PR spin on a bad situation.
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Previous blogged emails:
6-12-09.As contributing columnist/reporter for The Deerfield Observer, 'Sandy On Society', Sandra Johnson's column is fun,amusing, and an insight into the pleasant and well structured living of LHP.
However,as acting city commissioner with privy and associations with the inner management of LHP,who protected and covered up this nine year harassment and stalking situation,people and agencies appearing regularly in this column, there could be the appearance of obvious,disingenuous conflict of interest in doing both at the same time.Easy accesssibility to a usuable format for good city PR is an asset. See www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP
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sent10-19,20-09 Re: 'Sandy On Society'.Being an active city commissioner and a determined columist is a dual responsibility not easily done by most accomplished people without some conflict.....See blog.
11-02-09.Please be aware that the oversimplification of, 'We're working on it!''We taking cae of it!', re: over nine year harassment amd stalking situation, does not suffice.This took a circuit court case,a website,a blog, and emailing to get any kind of relief or assistance or acknowledgment and a great amount of time and expense,while putting up with it, and it still takes upkeep.
This oversimplification should not be used to protect the people who caused it.This never should have happened by anyone's standards except LHP's.Thank you.
There is still a concern over the cd technique being started up again.Lettting this happen is good leverage.
There is still no company here.No one wants to be a guinea pig in case the cd technique or anything else starts up because there is company here trying to use the backyard or pool or just parking in this driveway.
That over 14 month extensively used cd technique really made its impression and point by the S/Ws and their law enfor. And that was after everything else in the preceding years.The situation remains unsettled, tenaciously in the hands of local law enfor.
All emails have been regularly sent since1-08 to the mayor,city admin.,city clerk,code board, commissioners,approx10 law enfor.ofcs.,and many others.The law enfor.ofcs.were added later as necessity.All were sent documents.Three local newspapers were also emailed.
Law enfor.and the city did not try to stop this situation on their own They covered it up until they couldn't anymore.The situation remains precarious. cc: web,blog
11-08-09. LHP News, Can Chief Licata address harassing and stalking and what to do about it? His expertise on this subject may be interesting.Thank you.
Can Commissioner Chip Lamarca discuss this in 'The Commissioner's Corner'?Thank you.See email 9-02-09,'Commissioner's Corner'.cc:LHP News,Observer,Pelican,Forum,www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
11-09-08.Please be reminded,the situation remains unsatisfactory as the time and expense of all this was/is unnacceptable for any residency.There has been no expressed concern for the detrimental effects on this residency,only the concern to continue and cover it up.The reinforced mindset is still unnerving. cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
Loud screaming Sat.night11-07-09 approx.11PM.about this for some time from inside their residency.Reinforced mindset.Loud comments in their front yard next day.Reinforced mindset.This is minimal except fot the unnerving, expressed, confident mindset.
It is hoped that Commander M.Oh and Commissioner Chip Lamarca don't have aspirations to become Chief of police or the Mayor.Although the ground rules have been established that law enfor. lies and the city covers it up,it is still unclear who is teaching and instructing whom here.
Who was responsible for keeping Det.L.Hawkins protected and employed? Who is responsible for keeping Cmdr.M.Oh protected and employed?
11-10-09.The Atty.E Bruce Johnson reply/excuse,8-06,that the city is not responsible for the negligent acts of govt. workers,was used,thereby trying to clear law enfor.for their special treatment of the S/Ws for all those years and allowing it to continue.
The screaming, threatening,while trespassing, banging,blasting,etc.etc. for all those years by the S/Ws should have been stopped.
What is ironic about the Atty.E Bruce Johnson reply/excuse is that while it was being used and trying to say that law enfor.did not have to protect this or any residency, law enfor. had sent and was still sending patrol cars over here for what ever whacky reason the S/Ws could think of,which was extremely harassing as there was no way to stop it because there was no way to know what the S/Ws might 'think of 'next,for example, looking at them when they were screaming,threatening,trespassing,and banging,or while trying to do yardwork and repairs here,or while trying to use this yard and driveway,etc.,etc. See blogged emails.
Where was the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson reply/excuse then,when all that was being done for the S/Ws?
Realizing, recognizing, and dealing with the drive of someone like the S/Ws to harass and stalk was unnerving enough. Realizing they were going to get law enfor.protection to do it was another shock.
The Atty.E Bruce Johnson reply/excuse could have been unraveled,it was flawed,but at a cost of thousands of dollars.
The S/Ws and their law enfor.were financed by taxpayers.
This residency had to finance itself while putting up with all of this.
The Sett.Agree. to stop and prevent all this was disregarded..
Legal professionals aren't really stumped by all this,knowing exactly what happened.
The question is,why was something so inane done and why for so long?
Who was/is in charge of all this for all the years?
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And please be reminded that this was not one incident where a lot of 'instant experts'start analyzing and giving their opinions as is done today.This was many many incidents continually done over and over so there was never really time to get over them before the next one happened. Who was in charge? cc:web,blog
11-11-09.8A.M.again. LHP's special client,Mr.Starr, is sill exiting on the wrong side of the road.It is hoped the finale to this will not be an accident in front of this residency.There have been some near misses startling other drivers.At least he isn't waiting on the easement on the north side of this residency until the traffic clears up,where it's easier to give this residency the finger at closer proximity.But,it is probably safer if he waits there to check traffic instead of just pulling out. cc:web,blog
11-12-09.Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.which was to stop and prevent all this? There is no statue of limitations and there is a compound provision for repeat violations,both and all parts necessary to counteract the protection.
If this was happening next door to the Chief's residency, the reports would have been immediate after the instated Sett.Agree.and the situation controlled within a month on every part of it.
The S/W did not deserve to be protected by a well salaried Chief for years after being protected by Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.,standardized salary,for 5and 1/2 years.In the 3and1/2years stuck talking to the Chief, he probably netted $300,000.00.clarification insert. He could have done better with the situation. The problem with the city and law enfor.damage control is that they did not expect any degree of sophistication to the opposition. Slam,dunk outlook.Now,instead of just grabbing anyatty. to do what they want, they have to talk to a higher caliber of atty.who is probably only going to say,"What the heck were you thinking?!"
The situation remains unsettled, unresolved, and unsatisfactory.
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This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
11-28-09.The mindset is still bad and determined and that is unnerving .2P.M.Mr. Starr sits with Lori in their backyard while Lori complains amd complains,audible into this house as to how it was noticed, probably the point,about the Sett.Agree.,the whole thing,etc., non stop for an hour until they both went inside. Again,this is unnerving because of the determination and of what could be comimg next.This is going to be a problem for probably life.The whole thing could just start up all over again.
We still don't have company The retaliation and anctics were always immediately there.It's kind of like getting an electic shock every time until you just don't do it anymore,probably the objective which worked.
Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.? The S/Ws violated every part of it and this residency had to just put up with it.If they had been fined just once after it was instated,it might have prevented the following bad years. cc: web,blog All final editing done on the blog.11-29-09.Afternoon.Loud family arguments and complaints about the situation,etc,audible into this house.Lori and John yell talk between the garages.I was home alone and trying to sit in the backyard. This is not trivial. The mindset is still bad and determined.It could just start up all over again.If they can,they will. It sounds as if the factor for controlling the harassing and stalking is the Sett.Agree.which this residency paid for.This could have been done when it was instated,but law enfor.and the city had other ideas.
The S/Ws had over nine years to actively and intensely victimize this residency with the ingrained concept that this residency was a sitting victim with no recourse.That concept has not worn off yet and probably never will. They were the worst possible people to give all that backup to. cc:.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have had actually tried to help.
7-29-09.CNN/Gates.The wide interpretation of the disorderly laws can lead to law enforcement abuse,both ways.There is a nine year harassing and stalking situation in Lighthouse Point, FL. The disorderly was used once in the first year, then that and all means to stop this were disregarded. All the participants are white. Law enforcement in general can be selective in its interpretations. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.Thank you.
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7-30-9.To date,there is a tenacious harassment stop still requiring constant emailing to prevent predictable upscaling, no reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations' process, no apologies, no settlement negotiations,and the 'We is right.' attitude still prevalent.This should have been handled in a maximum of six months, and the rest never should have happened or have had to be put up with.Thank you.
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8-03-09. It has never been clear why law enfor.and then the city so defiantly disregarded the Sett.Agree. to stop and prevent the S/Ws.
If the S/Ws knew they were or had to be accountable to someone or something, the harassment, etc.,etc.,etc., might have been kept to a minimum for 06, for 07,and, especially, for 08.
Instead ,the S/Ws got protection to continue.
Did someone just find an atty. to say that it was alright to do that? Wouldn't it have been easier to just stop the problem? It certainly would have been a lot easier for this residency, already really worn out from the preceeding 5 years and 11mos.before it. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies.
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8-03,05-09 emails,-fence/iguanas,blogged after 7-24-09,same subjects
8-03-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help
Mayor Schorr, Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process ? The Sett.Agree.doesn't have a timetable.
The LHP approach of it's 'in the past' isn't applicable.There is protection against waiting and then saying it's 'in the past' to cover it up.It wouldn't hurt to explain what took so long,but I think I've already done that.Thank you.
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8-06-09 Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett. Agree.?
The S/Ws are becoming more brazen,more attitude than overt behavior, but still a very unnerving mindset.
They usually get this way when they've gotten reassurance from law enfor. that they are covered.
Let's hope this doesn't escalate.The situation of using flim flam to cover all this up doesn't negate the full brunt
of the actual reality this residency had to put up which is not so easily forgotten, especially with this still in your face confident mindset. cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ click BLOG on the homepage.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-10-9.Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
Why doesn't someone ask the S/Ws on a report-
Did they throw a 6ft.18.ft piece of shadowbox fence into this yard and leave it here after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they trespass and trespass and harass,until the orange mesh fence was put up to keep them out,after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they use made, repetitive cds,holiday season 07 and all of 08, various volumes and contents, standard technique, announcing they could and would do it and gloat, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they lie to and misinform law enfor.on or off a report, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they violate any or all of the Sett.Agree.?
The S/Ws have had loud discussions and arguments about their strategy handling this, a big concern about getting caught lying on a report as they would be fined twice, once for doing it and again for lying on a report about it.There appeared to be a big concen and how to get around it.
This residency has no company as standard. People don't want to put up with the S/Ws and their protection and it's just easier to go somewhere else and avoid all that here.
If anyone should be fined, it's the S/Ws. They defiantly and belligerently violated every part of the Sett.Agree. Their mindset is unnerving and determined,and at this point probably irreversable after all the reinforcement and backup.The problem with the S/Ws is, with the S/Ws, you just don't get the S/Ws. With the S/Ws, you also get their law enfor.,and their law enfor. has been very,very devoted, while this residency had to put up with it.
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Note:This process shouldn't have been the Chief's call. He was biased,selective,and overly protective of the S/Ws and their law enfor. And,he didn't spend tens of thousands of dollars and a lot of time trying to stop and prevent this.The situation was being stuck having to talk to him for over three years while this was still going on,and that was after the preceding five and a half years, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. Who was advising him? Who advised the previous?
Note:This situation has been explained and explained in the emails for over a year and blogged. One of the later emails blogged on this situation was this one, which is pretty conclusive and summary. It's repeated in case people didn't read all the emails or all the blog.There are later blogged emails on this situation. www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/. www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.The document has since been referred to and shortened to the Sett.Agree.minus the /Inj.
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT/INJUNCTION
12-02-08.Settlement Agreement/Injunction
When the Sett.Agree./Injunction was drafted and signed,there were a lot of big issues that had to be stopped,the harassing,stalking,screaming,threatening, banging,trespassing,lying to law enfor.etc.,etc.,and the blasting tape/cd situation/technique and Lori making tapes/cds,threatening and talking to us so she could play them in the backyard without having to come out and do it herself for convenience to harass, was discussed.
The S/Ws were in their Atty.'s office and Andy and I were in ours for the final drafting and signing, and both Attys. were in constant contact on the phone over the issues,the Counterpart/ Facsimile Signature legal process being used,pg. 6, #11.
This tape/cd situation was one of the last ones discussed while we all were at our Attys'offices finishing drafting this.I did suggest to my Atty. that they should be out with this when it was going on,thinking that might stop it as it was nothing they would put up with.That was layman's terms and not used. Used was:
Pg.3 E)Excerpt."They shall not engage in conduct that would be offensive to a reasonable person."and
. Pg.3 F)"They agree to keep audible activity in their backyard within reasonable limits."
Both the S/Ws and their Atty. knew what that was what that was for,as that was one of the last things discussed and that was meant to resolve that,among the other issues.
Again, the S/Ws and their Atty. knew,at the final drafting and signing,all in attendence,that that,pg.3E),F), was what it was for,and to stop and resolve that situation,cd/tape/radio, with recourse.
After the instated injunction,the situation with that already explained: With the orange plastic fence, necessary and also a visual aid put up between the garages to stop the trespassing, banging, harassing,yelling,etc.,there,and with no interior fence and then an interior fence with visibility,8 ft. off the pool,to stop Lori from standing behind it screech singing, threatening,and talking to us,let alone banging, screaming,yelling threats,and spraying over it,etc.,etc., with all or some of them right out with her, they opted for the tape/cd technique and used it extensively ,feeling protected in LHP, as if the LHP situation would stop anything with the Injunction and it did.They know what they are doing,and have said they are doing it, and in LHP,they can.
When the Injunction was drafted, they didn't say they didn't do any of it,they just knew in LHP, they could.Hence the necessary Injunction,which they violated an the city disregarded.This is still shocking,the behavior of both parties.
The only option,I had was to start emailing, as all of this was beyond belief, again.
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8-10-09.Sun Sentinel,Editorial
Lighthouse Point should not still be trying to cover up the nine year harassing and stalking situation. See www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. Thank you.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-12-09. Mayor Schorr,
If Commander M.Oh is trying to say he did not know what was going on, he should be reminded that in a city of this size, it is just too incompetent to not know what was going on,especially with the continual ruckus the S/Ws were making and with a pending circuit court case.
Whether he did it on purpose or did not know, five and a half targeted years of this,before it went to the Chief, is too long for a sense of salaried job entitlement, although the legal wrangling over that will become more important than the issues.
There are no LHP residents that would be too happy about paying tens of thousands of dollars and puttng in all that time to try and stop all this while putting up with it, or who would stop complaining about it.
There are no LHP residents who would want to hear, "gee, that's' in the past'", especially since, when it was 'in the present', there was defiantely no help with it.
There is not enough flim flam anywhere to cover up that over five and a half targeted years and the following over three and a half years with the over three years of an instated Sett.Agree.to stop and prevent harassment and stalking.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.?
Note: 8-12-09.After months and months, Mr.Starr is now not on the wrong side of the road hugging this easment as routine. He left and returned on a regular known schedule for years. It was a little strange that there was never a patrol car around in the morning when he left to tell him not to do that. The point was not to have him get a ticket,it was to get him to stop.There's not that much going on in this city. The avioidance was obvious, especially since the S/Ws could get and got patrol cars here for whatever whacky reason they wanted whenever they wanted as a standard for years.
His mindset is still unnerving,loud conversations their backyard,as if he/they are still entitled to harass this residency anytime he/they want and will think of ways to do it and get around it. He is always quite confident. He did get a lot of backup and reinforcement.They all did. This should have been over in a maximum of six months.
I am now using the pool daily,no company,already explained. If Lori comes out to use their pool and I am in or go to use this pool, she complains that I am out there. Protected mindset.This is not trival or picky.It is a reinforced probably now ireversible pattern. She/they did control,shut down,etc.,etc., this backyard and entire residency for years with a lot of help. cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
8-18-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-18-09.Mayor Schorr,
Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process? Why do the S/Ws continue to receive such undeserved protection? The cost for legal counsel for doing this this is now approx.$5,000.00 due to the mess law enfor. made covering this up and protecting the S/Ws. Why does this residency continually have to be the money pit for straightening this out?
What is this process of dealing with the S/Ws with things being 'off the cuff', 'unofficial', 'off the record', and of course,'not written'? When the Chief,spring 06,post Sett.Agree.,was complained to about the S/Ws still trespassing and harassing, yelling, taunting,etc.,between the garages out to the driveways,he should have followed through and done something. Instead, the S/Ws got patrol cars here at least three times trying to stop the fence from going up to keep them out and off of the 3-4 ft. of property they had just taken as theirs and and from doing the rest there.
When the Chief was complained to,08,post Sett.Agree.,about the intolerable,harassing, repetitive cd technique,he should have followed through and done something about it. Instead he made excuses for the S/Ws and it went on for over a year.
At least,that insulting,lame excuse, a lie,conjured up during the first five and one half years, Hawkins,Oh/Com.Lias.policies, that this residency did not go through the proper channels to complain, is no longer being used.
However, the supposedly proper channel of talking directly to the Chief for three and one half years produced the above explained process. Patrol car visit during that time were for whatever whacky reasons the S/Ws wanted, not to stop them.This has already been explained and explained.
What hasn't been explained is the use of this process to cover for the S/Ws.
After five and one half years of misinformation and lies, then it went to the Chief, there is a certain element of surprise to some people that that residency had/has a certain level if sophistication and brains.What was the flip side to this? If people are disenfranchised and unsophisticated, the S/Ws could pound on them with law enfor. protection?
Where are the reports? The S/Ws' mindset is still brazen and unnerving with loud discussions on how to handle this.They have the confidence of assurance of law enfor. protection and coverup.
Did anyone ever ask them if they violated any or all of the Sett.Agree.on a report?
Or would that be just not protecting them from the violations process which appeared to be the motive all along, along with protecting them from everything else?
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8-19-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-19-09.Mayor Schorr,
Re: CD technique: Holiday season,07,through all 2008.A Sett.Agree.violation.'The Issue CD'. foreign language.
The S/Ws blasted this 'issue cd' over and over for hours and hours for months and months,Lori coming outside to restart it and restart it, announcing they could and would do it, brazenly,loudly discussing how there was no way to stop it.post Sett.agree.This was intolerable by anyone's standards.I complained and complained a lot.Then after months and months, the 'issue cd', went off.
The Chief said that maybe the S/Ws got tired of it and didn't want to hear it anymore.This didn't seem likely as this was intolerable harassment and it didn't seem as if the S/Ws would give it up that easily. Besides they weren't outside with it.
A while later, the Chief told me that he had asked them to turn it off.
The S/Ws then just immediately continued with different made repetitive cds at various volumes left on outside,Lori coming out to restart them and change them.Some of those were the same 2-5 minutes over and over for 30-45 mins. So,the S/Ws were still doing the same thing to deliberately harass,a violation, and they still loudly discussed how they could and would do it and gloated.This has all been already discussed and explained.This was complained and complained about at length See emails.It was months and months later when Det.L.Hawkins got his award, that that cd technique violation was finally stopped.
If the Chief feels unappreciated for the effort he put in to get that 'issue cd' off, a Sett.Agree.violation, it was appreciated.
Can I please have a report about that Sett.Agree.violation,the one with the Chief's well appreciated effort in the stopping of that part of it? Thank you.
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Further explanation: two appreciated actions to alter by the Chief:
#1. After five and one half years of the S/Ws' targeted screaming for hours at this residency,while and while not trespassing,along with everything else, the Chief,05, said that screaming at this residency for hours was inappropriate behavior and would not be tolerated. So, the S/Ws immediately downsized to screaming at intervals and in spurts,especially while trespassing in between the garages as this was very close proximity to this residency,along with everything else,until that orange plastic fence,post Sett.Agree.,was put up there for 14 months,to stop them from trespassing and doing that there,kind of like a visual aid to let them know not to do that yelling, taunting, and harassing there.This was complained and complained about a lot.See emails.
. #2. After about six months-insert the correct date,the Chief knows it,-of that intolerable blasting 'issue cd', post Sett.Agree.,the Chief,08, asked the S/Ws to turn it off. So the S/Ws immediately downsized to different, made, harassing, repetitive cds at various volumes.This was complained and complained about a lot,see emails, and continued for months until Det. Hawkins got his award.
It's important to praise law enfor.for the benefit they give the community.
The Chief actually did do those two things.
In both cases, there was a situation, the Chief did something, and that situation was altered.
Regarding the second situation, may I please have the report for the Sett.Agree.violations process with the Chief's well appreciated and recognized action and alteration of that part of the violation? Thank you.
There has been a lot of complaining about the S/Ws' undeserved protection and coverup by law enfor. for over nine years while they outrageously harassed,stalked,trespassed,banged,lied,sprayed,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc. The Chief did do those two altering things.
I recognize the importance of not complaining or saying something relatively uncomplimentary here about the too little,too late,drop in the bucket, two alterations,but I'm sure the the urge to do so can be understood. This last sentence should probably be eliminated on the blog.
The finale,Year 2008,was really terrible and not that easily forgettable,especially with that easily applicable, usable cd technique,and especially after dealing with all the preceding years.This harassment stop is still very,very tenacious.The mindset is still unnerving.
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Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process?
Did anyone ask the S/Ws on report if they violated any or all of the Sett.Agree.?
Where's the report for the Sett.Agree.violations process,the over year long cd harassment technique,that the Chief,08, partly altered?
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
8-20-09. Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process,especially the intolerableover year long one that the Chief altered in the middle?This should have been put up for only a maximum of a month at most,which would have been enough for anyone,even without having put up with the preceding years.The Sett.Agree. should have been used to stop that.That's what it was for,to stop and prevent.
There are provisions in it for compounded fines for repeat violations,so the same thing isn't done over and over.That is a good document and should have stopped any more problems, except,of course, the S/Ws still had law enfor.backup.
There was no concern for this residency putting up with something intolerable almost every day in 2008,even with an instated Agree.to prevent and stop it,especially to prevent repeats and repeats and repeats..
Regarding that18ft.6ft.piece of shadowbox fence deliberately dislodged and thrown into this backyard and left here.It took time to dislodge it,it was hanging on a 45 degree angle facing the other way.to do that. This wasn't the worst violation but it was definitely an 'in your face,we can do what we want' one.With the Chief working so directly with code enfor.,this should have been handled properly,not covered up with some lame excuse such as changing fence ownership when it was time to define the situation for the Sett.Agree. process Again,this wasn't the worst, but is was definitely indicative of the city's well maintained procedure for handling anything with anything the S/Ws did.
Again, where's the reports?The following email has already been sent.
8-10-9.Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
Why doesn't someone ask the S/Ws on a report-
Did they throw a 6ft.18.ft piece of shadowbox fence into this yard and leave it here after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they trespass and trespass and harass,until the orange mesh fence was put up to keep them out,after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they use made, repetitive cds Holiday season 07 and all of 08, various volumes and contents, standard technique, announcing they could and would do it and gloat, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they lie to and misinform law enfor.on or off a report, after the Sett.Agree.?
Did they violate any or all of the Sett.Agree.?
The S/Ws have had loud discussions and arguments about their strategy handling this, a big concern about getting caught lying on a report as they would be fined twice, once for doing it and again for lying on a report about it.There appeared to be a big concern and how to get around it.'-
Please be reminded of the compounded provisions for repeat violations in the Sett.Agree.
The S/Ws trespassed and trespassed and harassed for months after the Sett.Agree.until that orange mesh fence went up,along with the other violations,over and over and over.
This residency put in a lot of expense and time time for years trying to stop all this.The second atty.hired was quite good, in fact,too good for this type of situation,which should have been stopped in a maximum of six months.Thank you.
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Already blogged above,'same subjects'This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.The S/Ws are acting up,getting more brazen,8-23-09,Mr.Starr coming outside,backyard, to'yell talk' complaining about the situation with Lori,the first approx.1:30 P.M.,noticeable as it was audible into this sitting room porch and again at approx.3:45 P.M.when I was trying to use the pool alone.The second was way too obvious,loud and long.Lori doesn't need any encouragement to continue this.She has been very capable of running this show all by herself.
This is not trivial.The mindset is still too unnerving,determined, and now probably irreversible. Later, Lori and John came out and John did his full blast running thing right up to this interior fence chasing an iguana which did not run into this yard anyway but ran right back under their tree.Andy was alone in the pool at the time.Again it is unnerving to see John running full blast up to this interior fence because you don't expect it and don't know what he is going to do,probably the point in getting that close to the interior fence to do something annoying,not necessary,and which doesn't work.Blog after 7-24,8-03,same subject.
Already blogged above,'same subject'8-30-09. Noon.Lori sits in their backyard facing this residency,with an umbrella sideways in front her blocking her from view and turns music on and off soft,but audible into this sitting room porch,and complains when I go into the backyard.She also leaves it on it on louder and longer.This is probably to try to provoke a reaction. If done to taunt and annoy,it does. This is not trivial or picky.That extensive and deliberate 2008 cd technique is still not easily forgotten, which was a Sett.Agree.compounded violation no one could put up with and the S/Ws got away with it, and it could just start up all over again. This is still a slippery slope.This was never about just playing music.The mindset is still determined.They would if they could.This has already been explained.Where's the reports for the compounded violations?cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.This part blogged after 7-24,8-03-09.same subject.
8-24-09.Mayor Schorr,
Please be reminded the this residency still is not pleased with the amount of time or the expense of the nine year ordeal.
Please be reminded that the people causing that are still being protected and the people protecting them are still employed, except Det.Hawkins who received the Keeper Days Award.
It's generally thought that Commander M.Oh would not have put up with any of this for more than one month at his residency.
As proper procedure,the Mayor and the Commission President were advised, 8-06, that there was a bad problem with the S/Ws and law enfor.and there was a request for only reimbursement. letter,blog,reply long.
The result was an in your face reply from Atty.E.Bruce Johnson,which only served to continue the problem.
This residency then decided to longer finance it's Atty.,having already produced the Sett.Agree.and the above mentioned letter, for any more interaction with the city due to the resulting continuing flim flam from law enfor.and the city over this whole thing.
The website and emails were then used,both a necessity for any kind of assistance from anywhere.
Any further interaction between this astute Atty.and the city or law enfor. will not be financed by this residency, due to the waste of time and money.
In layman's terms,if anyone want to discuss anything with this Atty.using the standard flim flam process, this residency will not pay for it. No one at that law firm will probably just talk to anyone anyway.It's already too obvious and well known how this thing was handled.
This residency does expect reimbursement and damages.
Any LHP resident would expect the same thing.
Thank you.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree violations process? How long does protection and coverup go on?
8-26-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may actually have tried to help.Re:Opposition tactics by S/Ws,law enfor.,city
8-26-09.Mayor Schorr,This residency expects reimbursement and damages.
This residency will not file a lawsuit to start this.
The city can use every deep pocket legal maneuver as a deterrent.
There has already been one lengthy filed lawsuit to stop the S/Ws, where every legal maneuver, was used while the S/Ws continued to harass,stalk, trespass,etc,the entire duration throughout it with law enfor.protection.
The point of giving the S/Ws and their law enfor.all this protection and the city's eventual response to continuing it was pointless.
Counteracting all this was very draining, time consuming and expensive.
The determined actions of the S/Ws ,their law enfor.and eventually the city are still baffling and inexcusable by any standards,except the one standard that 'we can and do what we want'.
This approach is not innovative.The city was already given a window to settle this and it responded by continuing the problem. Thank you.
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8-31-09. Mayor Schorr,
Your lack of response and inactivity in straightening this out may be misconstrued or appear to be agenda based compliance approval with the way things were/are handled regarding the S/Ws and law enfor.
The/your 2006 response was direct compliance as to the way things were handled.
Emails cannot be excused as improper channels.
All proper channels to handle this,extensive and expensive on the part of this residency, were disregarded,over and over.
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What is LHP's slogan? "LHP-Stalkers' Paradise.We mean it! You pay for it!"
Where's the reports for the compounded violations?The S/Ws' mindset is still unnerving.
The complaint concerning the S/Ws and law enfor.and the open window for settlement were disregarded for instead continuation.
This is not meant as a complaint against anyone,Commissioner,etc.,who may have actually tried to help.
9-02-09. Re:LHP News.Sept.-Oct.2009.Commissioners Corner.' There Is No Substitute For Good Government.' by Commissioner Chip Lamarca. Point:A good city commission is one that does not in-fight.This bland,safe,almost substanceless article is not surprising and as an attempt at good city PR, a stretch.
As former Commission President, more time should have been spent paying attention to the law enfor.mess for years and years in this city than in actively endorsing and and campaigning,Broward campaign head,for the sitting sheriff's position,especially while this intense law enfor. protected harassment and stalking situation was still going on here.
He was sent and received all the emails,the only avenue for assistance,now blogged,for all of 2008,starting at the beginning of 2008.
It is not exactly tenable to ask the sheriff's dept. for help with a small town law. enfor. problem while the Commission President of the small town is actively campaigning for the sitting head sheriff, and asking was not done,then or yet.
Though not the most relevant or strongest subplot in this whole mess, putting up with that intolerable,extensive,expensive situation after years, while this was being done, is not a very amusing dichotomy.
Again,while not the most relevant or intense subplot in this entire situation,it has been looming for months to address this dichotomy.
This overall situation has not been resolved.Thank you.
Please note, this commissioner entered this political career by defeating then Commissioner M.C.Wiess, who in a left field kind of way, tried to challenge Cmdr.M.Oh. In this city,Cmdr.M.Oh still does not get challenged.Thank you.
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9-02-09.LHP News,
Can Chief Licata address harassing and stalking and what to do about it? His expertise on this subject may be interesting.Thank you.
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Added.Please be reminded,Chief Licata told me,9-10-08,if I wanted help,to go to the sheriff's dept.See email 9-10-08.
Sent.9-08-09.Mayor Schorr,
Where are the reports for the compounded violations? This method of nothing 'written' to try and cover this up is not how this ends. That 3 and1/2 years of dealing directly with the Chief was a waste and a drain. At any time then,if anyone asked,it could be and was said,' there are no reports from that residency', because there was not complaint calling through the station, because the complaints were being called into the Chief either directly talking to him or by leaving messages,and there were a lot of complaints. Who was advising that complaints could/would be handled this way as if there were none? It would have been a lot easier if the S/Ws had immediately been fined and liened after the Sett.Agree.One or two might have stopped them.Instead of the situation continued all the way through 2008 with a lot of work to try to stop it.The Chief just decided there was nothing wrong with what the S/Ws were doing or just to cover it up,and that was how it was handled.You would have thought that complaints that the S/Ws were still harassing and trespassing after the Sett.Agree.between the garages out to the north interior,would have been given some consideration and action and there were plenty of calls to him about that.You would have though he would have acted on that. Cmdr.M.Oh should still not be employed.I don't think there is anyone who can stand to listen to the website audio nonstop,Dec.99-June 05,when the situation then went to the Chief,and putting up with this was a regular routine with in your face law enfor. protection, along with all the rest. No one employed should be this incompetent or devious. This standard policy of not giving any assistance when things are 'in the present' and then saying things are 'in the past',may slide by on paper but remains unresolved in the big picture.Please be reminded, the policies continued after the 05 input.That in your face cd technique for all of 2008 never should have happened,alone,or especially after all the preceding.If this were a movie, people would be astonished it was non-fiction.It should be a documentary and may be. The amount of time and expense this residency had/has to spend to counteract the S/Ws and their law enfor. remains unresolved and not forgotten and not that easily covered up.cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
9-08-09.The S/Ws' mindset is still too unnerving, too instantaneously ready to do something.See Labor Day,9-07-09,blogged above,same subject,before 7-09,serving as a really stark reminder and flashback of exactly how much this residency had to put up with which was beyond incredulous.They are probably still calling in trying to do that harassing patrol car visit thing because anyone just being in this backyard 'bothers' them.They were very successful at shutting down this backyard and residency for years with biased backup.That harassing patrol car thing was really annoying to say the least because there was no control over how,what and when that would happen,just what he S/Ws wanted,while they were really harassing with law enfor. backup.At least training cops got field experience on how to do bad law enfor,work instead of just being instructed about it in proxy. If the S/Ws wanted hired goons to help them harass, they should have paid for them themselves instead of using taxpayers' money.The Chief especially gets paid way to much to have used a containment policy with this residency while covering for the S/Ws and their law enfor.And, there's the preceding 5 and 1/2 years of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policy, when Cmdr.M.Oh was just too 'unaware' or devious to stop all this.He's still here.Thank you. Have a good day.cc :http://www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
Already blogged above,'same subject'.9-07-09.The S/Ws revive an old harassment method. Labor Day 4:45 P.M.I was trying toy sit out by the edge of the pool.Andy was in the house.The S/Ws had a toy mechanical boat which works by remote control which they would run around the deeper end of their pool for closer proximity which makes an extremely loud honking noise sounding almost like a saw, which they would use to harass anyone in this backyard.The S/Ws used this then,intermingled with the other forms of harassment.They do not have to be out with it to use it. I have tapes not yet on the website when Andy and the grandchildren are in the backyard and the honking is so loud you can't even hear them trying to talk to each other.This was/is deliberately to harass and to provoke.Now they are using it again.That was a surprise to see and hear that circling in the deep end of their pool,and a stark reminder of how intense things were as routine. The S/Ws just don't want anyone in this backyard and were very successful at getting that for years with biased backup. Mr.Starr and Lori were home and they both went quickly in and out of both residencies while it was running.They haven't used this for years.They used that extensive repetitive cd technique for all and before 2008 which was worse than hours of this. I got out of the backyard, their point.This is audible into the house,sitting room porch.This particular situation has already been addressed in the emails.inset dates.This is not trivial or picky. It is to annoy and keep this backyard empty.This mindset is very bad and they've gotten a lot of reinforcement that they can do what they want.This deliberate loud honking thing is something no one would want to hear again after just one session and especially not over and over.The S/Ws don't even stay out with it.It's the same as a deliberate repetitive tape technique,that slippery slope.It probably is a violation,the frequency,timing,and lengths to be kept aware of because it could go on for hours instead of the cd technique.The well protected S/Ws are getting brazen again. They knew they would get covered on the Sett.Agree. Violations and did,and putting up with all that was intolerable while they gloated.Again this is not trivial. It is to annoy and taunt,and it does.Bad reinforced mindset. This issue to be continued.......Complaining about a mechanical boat may appear 'crank' and that had to be considered so as not to in any way minimize the big picture,but it is a device to make a loud repetitive noise and was used for that when the made tapes and cds weren't used.The S/Ws are good with devices.cc: www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.blogged after7-24,8-03,same subject.
Sent 9-08-09.Mayor Schorr, Where's the reports for the compounded Sett.Agree.violations? Please be reminded of the hours and hours of the made blasting 'bongo tapes', pre-Sett.Agree.,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, insert dates web audio ,with the screaming threats and taunts on them so Lori did not have to come outside and do it herself for her convenience,but also coming out to do it simultaneously with them for double effect or to do it without them.After all that and with all the rest, the Sett.Agree. should not have been disregarded. 2008 and the preceding months should never have happened with that intolerable deliberate repetitive cd technique which the Sett.Agree.was supposed to prevent.The S/Ws should not have gotten and still be getting such biased protection.Thank you.cc: www,lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
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Sent 9-08-09.Mayor Schorr,
Where's the reports for the compounded Sett.Agree.violations? Please be reminded of the hours and hours of the made blasting 'bongo tapes', pre-Sett.Agree.,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era, insert dates web audio ,with the screaming threats and taunts on them so Lori did not have to come outside and do it herself for her convenience,but also coming out to do it simultaneously with them for double effect or to do it without them.
After all that and with all the rest, the Sett.Agree. should not have been disregarded. 2008 and the preceding months should never have happened with that intolerable deliberate repetitive cd technique which the Sett.Agree.was supposed to prevent.The S/Ws should not have gotten and still be getting such biased protection.Thank you.
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9-10-09. Again,the candyapple red 1978 Granada parked at the south side of this residency is tagged and insured and runs.If anyone is interested it will be sold but this takes someone who specifically wants that kind if vehicle.This appears to be the latest S/Ws' endeavor to complain about this residency and to get paid city employees to run around in circles for them,again.
Code enfor.,patrol cars, have already checked that vehicle out,one parking diagonally on this easement to do so. A few weeks ago, a young LHP public works employee with a public works vehicle and in uniform pulled up and knocked on this kitchen door, not the outside porch door or the front door with doorbells, and inquired about the vehicle, kind of implying he wanted to buy it,but slipped up when he said he 'was tired of seeing it there'.I don't remember his name but he had tatoos on his lower leg.He said he would check back in two weeks and I called public works in about that time to say it was still available for their worker if he wanted it.
There has been a long nine year history in LHP of young city employees, patrol cars, etc.usually with no financial residential responsibilities of their own,helping the S/Ws bother, harass, and ruin this residency,as paid city employees,and the younger they were, the more insulting it was. 9-10-09.Lori could be heard yelling in her backyard,'it's still there'. Shortly,there was a city public works employee, orange vest,vehicle in street, talking loud enough on his cell phone between the interior garages it was audible into this house as to how it was noticed, saying something to the effect, all was not discernable,that it was not at that residency but between 3540 and 3520,at the south side by the pole.Again, paid city employees should not be running around in circles to service the S/Ws, but this was definitely established during the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era from the beginning and adhered to. And young training cops needed to train on something. reposition to after 7-24,8-03 'same subjects.'
9-16-09.I had been in and out of this backyard.Lori and John came out and really complained about me being out there.Mr Starr came out.Then,3:45 P.M.,the 'honking boat' started up, at about 1/3 to 1/2 the volume, with Mr.Starr and Lori staying out with it this time.I got out of the backyard Even at that volume, it is still a repetitive device,and a slippery slope into that big mess again. I immediately started emailing before it went to full volume and they went inside and left it on,the usual procedure. Instead, it stayed at that volume and they stayed out with it,45 minutes.About 35 minutes into this,I heard someone say," What is that umbrella for?" and Mr.Starr said," So Gail can't look at Lori." At that time my computer wasn't working and I was dealing with that because I really wanted to email to stop this from escalating,so I didn't look to see who was talking to Mr.Starr. Later,I thought, what if that was someone from the city who only saw a toy boat at average volume with people outside with it? The city/law enfor. has always tried to minimize or deny anything it could to cover for the S/Ws and here was a good way to do that to minimize the big picture. This was a deliberate harassing loud device used when the tapes/cds weren't being used. It is probably time to put those tapes on the audio web, when the noise was so loud, Andy couldn't talk to the grandchildren in the backyard, the point,and that was done for hours Now it's back. Anyone who listened to that thing deliberately blasting over and over would not want to hear it even at a lower volume.Anyone who put up with all of 2008, would not want to hear anything repetitive.This should not be minimized.This is a slippery slope.The whole thing could just start up all over again and slowly has.cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog. Reposition to after 7-24,8-03 'same subjects'.
9-17-09.1:40 P.M.Mr.Starr again exits on wrong side of the road.
9-21-09.The beige Lincoln Continental parked in this north driveway is tagged,insured,and runs.The owner has two residencies,one on the beach on Hillsboro Mile and one up north.This is the vehicle used only while in FL.and it needs to be started and run while he's gone.Today, I started it up just as Lori and John came into their driveway,Lori from their house and John driving in.They had a bit of a discussion and it appears that that was going to be the next complaint endeavor.I went into the pool and Mr.Starr made it a point to be outside backyard to talk loudly on his cell phones,car gist,all was not discernable,as if he wanted me to hear.
The S/Ws for years took down license plates of people coming here and tried to cause trouble such as yelling that they tried to run them off the road someplace else,etc.,etc.,even if the people were in their 70's. No one was immune.It is hoped they are not going to bother that owner, but the situation with the S/Ws is known outside this city and has been for since the beginning.One woman, this car owner's neighbor, really upset and paying attention to the situation through the early years finally told her son,Mr.Wayne Hizenga's, check spelling, personal business attorney and he said to get in touch with him to see if he could help and he kept an open line for weeks.He couldn't believe this had one on for that long.This was late 05,after the horriffic early to middle 05 situation when the S/Ws were really fierce and invincible and we needed a really good atty.He did try but he was a civil business atty and his contacts were civil.We finally just hired a really good dual atty.we got ourselves to stop the problem,which was disregarded by law enfor. and the city.
Anyway, the car is explained and it is hoped no one gets bothered by the S/Ws about it.
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Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.Violations process?
9-11-09.This is the anniversary of 9-11,and on that day,with all there was to think about,Lori still went in and out to scream at and threaten this residency at this interior fence for hours with all the S/Ws home.audio web date.There was no one to help with this,with well established Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies that this could be done.The S/Ws have a long well remembered history of biased protection and cover up.
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Note:At that time,9-11-01,there was already a filed Circuit Court case to stop the harassing and stalking.The S/Ws continued anyway as a regular routine and the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.policies that they could remained intact.The law enfor. position impeded the court process.This continued,intensely,until 5-05, when two Commissioners were contacted for assistance,and the and harassing and stalking got somewhat watered down,but started back up again,even with aSett.Agree.to prevent it, and emailing had to be used through all of 2008 to try and stop it. What kind of law enfor.is this? Why is Cmdr. M.Oh still working? Exactly why did the S/Ws get so much biased protection,for nine years? This situation could have been handled in a maximum of six months.There are no LHP residents who would put up with this,no matter how much coverup was/is tried.
9-14-09.Mayor Schorr,The quality of fiscal operations in the city is laudable.The destructive lunacy of the years of the S/Ws and their law enfor. is not. It is not amusing to have to pay tens of thousands of dollars and expend all that time and effort to correct this..This situation is not 'fixed'.There is still the situation of the reports for the compounded Sett.Agree.violations and the reimbursement and damages situation.Thank you.
9-28-09.LHP News.Can the chief address harassing and stalking and what to do about it when lawenfor.is all lawyered up to continue it? After the expensive and time consuming over nine year unsettled ordeal, discussing purse snatching and avoiding this topic does not suffice.Thank you.
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It is especially grating the amount of salary he was receiving during the 3and1/2 years stuck talking to him. He also flipped, 9-10-08, the one ofc.who tried to logically stop this from the very beginning but was thwarted by the Hawkins/Oh./Com.Lias. policies. 07,the unfinished and incomplete website went up with a description of this ofc.'s early attempts at this,which was commendable.I had brought up this ofc.'s name,summer 08,when really looking for assistance from anywhere and hadn't had contact with him since the beginning when he was thwarted.I should not have reinvolved him as that meant he then had no avenue for standard work with this,just meshed into the mess.
It is beyond annoying and dispicable that this residency continued still putting up with all of this,while the chief continued with the lame excuses,'it didn't happen or if it did,it was in the past',while it was still going on,with a lot of complaints to him from this residency.Commander M.Oh should still not be employed. If he and Det.L.Hawkins hadn't defiantely maintained that 5and 1/2 yrear position,the Chief couldn't have defiantely maintained his 3and 1/2 year position,with an instated Sett.Agree. for prevention for at least 3 years during his control.There are a lot of subplotplots as to how PR was handled in this city,none of which helped with a logical end to the problem.
There is a central sort of dumbness that all this can still be maintained and covered up and opposition stifled.Thank you.
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Where's the reports for the compounded Sett..Agree.violations? The minset is still unnerving.Spending tens of thousands of dollars,filing a circuit court case, putting up a website, and emailing for over a year,while still puting up with the problem, is not free work by any residents' standards.
9-14-09. LHP Magazine
Can the Mayor address and explain the relationship between the mayor and the Chief of police and law enfor.? This is confusing to some residents. If there is a problem with law enfor.,should the mayor be notified?The mayor's wife,'expressing her own opinion',explained by the Chief, in her C.O.P.S.uniform with a C.O,P.S.vehicle,on a call, immediately said "you should have moved!" when addressing a problem involving a resulting aspect of that.That was correctly stated as the only given option.Thank you.
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10-21-09. There has been a wierd sequence of events.On 10-19,20-09,I sent out an unedited, unfinished email with a base remark about the Chief. Usually,I state specifics,and not being happy about them,trying to keep the blog analytical.but, this was a base remark.There is a lingering annoyance over the way this residency was treated for over nine years,with lame excuses given while beng really harassed,and the expense, but there are better ways to express this than that. Stuck talking to him for three and a half years while really being harassed was not easy. Almost on a whim,this email was sent to the Observer,who never replies, but did print one editorial.This time there was a reply,probably automated, to follow editorial rules, and I replied that this was not an editorial,but the standard sent email to be blogged.
The last sentence in that email was the fear that the S/Ws could just start up that cd technique all over again,and by late afternoon, 10-20-09,that's exactly what he S/Ws were doing,initially blasting it so its presence would be known, Mr. Starr defiantely sitting out in this backyard with a large recorder/radio on the table next to him with Lori in and out complaining. I didn't say anything as the S/Ws were always trying to start a two party situation with anyone who came over here.
Mr.Starr should not be encouraging Lori.She is good enough at doing all this herself and has instrutred the others.John has always acted as if he can and will do what he wants.
Approx.4P.M.,I had been out alone in this backyard and I moved my lounge chair not realizing Mr.Starr had come out in between the houses, and he immediately slammed his gate many times, and I thought ,oh no, this isn't going to start up again.The S/Ws have long maintained that anyone just being in this backyard bothers them and even moving a chair to sit in it bothers them, and Lori actually kept something to hit right next to her at her pool edge while in her pool,so if anyone came out to this backyard and made any noise at all, she could whack it loud without having to get out of the pool to do it.
Mr.Starr then came out to the their backyard,with Lori in and out,with the large visible recorder/ radio, initially blasting it,as to how it's presence was known, then switching it from soft to moderate volume for over and hour.
If this was meant to taunt and annoy,it did.
Anyone blasted for over nine years with deliberate made repetitive tapes/cds would just not want to hear any more,especially since this harassment technique was extensively used for all of 2008 and the holiday season 07,going from blastng for hours to diffferent volumes of repetition,some of those the same 2-5 minutes over and over for 30-45 minutes,even with a Sett.Agree.to prevent it,-Lori had been making threatening,taunting tapes to leave on outside so she didn't have to come outside to do it for her convenience but did come out to do it along with them for double harassment or without them in general, and this had to be stopped along with eveything else with the Set.Agree..-Again,this cd technique was extensively used for deliberate harassment,07,all of 08,while the S/Ws gloated that they could do it. This was very effective.
No one putting up with this would want to hear even one note or one noise sound again.
It is a taunting reminder of the past and that it could just start up all over again, probably the point,and the point that they can and will do something harassing. It seemed as if something was still on for a while after they both went inside but I could not see from what.
The S/Ws are too good at devices to make repetitive sounds and noises.As already stated, they started out with made tapes,a radio on static,and a clown horn.
It also seemed as if the S/Ws were tauting,10-20, so I would call someone. It was as if they were out there defintely wanting a confrontation. And if anyone from the city showed up,it would be an average family with a moderate volume recorder and they could complain about the complaint.
The city has long minimized incidents to minimize and cover up the big picture,even when the incidents were outrageous and obvious.I did look to see what they were doing but trying to be discreet from close to this house outside and from the inside,because of that special S/Ws' rule that they could do what ever they wanted,but if you looked at them while they were doing it,it was harassing them and they could and did get patrol cars for that without any help to stop them from doing it. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies established at the beginning.
This is a slippery slope.This was never just about playing music.Let's hope this does not slowly start up again.
Again,anyone putting up with the above stated,would not want to hear even one repetitive note or noise as it is a deliberate reminder that the whole technique could just start up again for deliberate purposes.No one would probably want to hear or put up with anything anymore at this point.
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The following is the unfinished,unedited email,sent ot 10-19,20-09, unfortunately with the base remark about the Chief in it, and the fear of the cd technique starting up again. If already sent, it may not be sent with this email.
Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.which was supposed to stop amd prevent all this? Why did the city disegard the Sett.Agree.on behalf of the S/Ws?
Sent 10-19-09 and 10-20-09 Happy Decade Anniversary
Re: 'Sandy On Society'.Being an active city commissioner and a determined columist is a dual responsibility not easily done by most accomplished people without some conflict.
Re: 'Sandy On Society'10-15.Perhaps in his next costumed picture, Halloween is coming,the Chief could put on a McGruff the crime dog suit and his captions could say things like,'Stay in school!' or 'If ya been harassed and stalked for five and a half years,talk to me for three and a half years and I'll work with ya real good! Remember your checkbook! In LHP,ya'll need expensive attys. to stop this!'
When dealing with a really crass,low leveled, adversarial situation for a decade, it is sometimes necessary to lower the bar to communicate on that level although lowering the bar did/does not accomplish anything, is personally unsavory,and more than likely will not be used again on this blog.The situation remains unsettled. Gee whiz,thank you.Note:The Chief's lame excuses to cover for the S/Ws and their law enfor. in the face of so much continual harassment even with the Sett.Agree.did not rest well. And that was nothing compared to what Det.L.Hawkins/ Oh/ Com.Lias.let them get away with before.It seemed as if the main objective was to cover for the S/Ws and their law enfor.while they were ruining this residency with no concern for this residency.It probably was the main objective,especially with the mess made out of something that should have ben handled in a maximum of six months. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog
The following is the first email regarding the articles,' LHP, the Decade of Harassment and Stalking' It will be blogged one month early.'Happy Decade Anniversary!'-directed harassment and stalking following years of general major annoyance. edit,finish,send 11-09. In less than a month, it will be the decade anniversary of the the S/Ws' power hold with law enfor..backup in this city.
edit,finish.In Dec.99, after years of annoying all the neighbors, the S/Ws targeted this residency.After days of hours of Lori screaming directly at and directly threatening this residency describing exactly what she was going to do and did,with all the S/Ws out next to her, and of banging the fence and this interior gate,and of trespassing, she made her first law enfor.call against this residency,on my birthday,early Dec.,saying I was bothering her by calling on the phone,which never happened. I made one call not on that day directly speaking to Mrs.Starr to have a ladder returned they had borrowed and it was dumped on this property full of tar which we had to clean.
The responding ofc.on that day was Ofc.Edleman who became very loyal to the S/Ws' cause, returning again and again, and doing nothing about the complaints of the screaming, harassing and trespassing by all the S/Ws,even though Lori did it right in front of him,one time as I pulled into this driveway.They were both already here at this driveway.
So,I called Det.L.Hawkins and the rest is indelible LHP history of the S/Ws and their law enfor.
It should be noted that even with this residency's phone records checked, an insult,Lori was yelling that the records were wrong and they continued with that accusation for years as excuse for their behavior (?), while for years they actually announced and talked loud from their backyard that they were calling this residency and did and hung up.
This above was really minor,and may be deleted in the final editing so as not to mininmize this big picture, compared to the full force screaming threats,banging,blasting made tapes,and harassing anyone who came here, by all, while trespassing, etc., etc., etc., etc. for all those years.
Enough of all this has been written and documented already. See website and blog. Anyway, Happy Decade Anniversary! And, it's still not settled. The reinforced mindset is still daunting. More infor.to come. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on the blog.
For the first five and one half years, there was no stopping Det.L.Hawkins and Cmdr.M.Oh from handling this situation exactly how they wanted to.For the next three and one half years,while talking directly to the Chief and to city officials, there seemed to be no one in the city capable of redirecting the Chief to handle this right. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
The situation remains unresolved.Cmdr.M.Oh is still employed, there have been no settlement negotiations, there have been no reports for the Sett.Agree.violations' process, and the S/Ws' mindet is still unnerving and will probably have to be dealt with for life, and there is always the fear they will just start up all over again with their law enfor. backup especially the deliberate repetitve noise/music made tapes/cds which are easy to start sneaking in and then building up,a violation,let alone the really major issues already explained and explained. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
10-20-09.2P.M.Mr.Starr again drives out on the wrong side of the road. FP&Lwas working but left enough room for cars on the right side and their truck got through on that side.
4P.M.The cd technique starts up.Emails sent out about that. To be blogged.
10-21-09.The following is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help. 10-21-09.7P.M.I am in the north driveway Mr.Starr goes to his car.I go into the porch.Mr. Starr drives out on the right side of the road,looking straight ahead, but extending his arm to give the finger as he drives directly across from this residency on the right side of the road.It must be nice to be so confident and have so much protection for a decade.It is also reassuring that taxpayers' money was used for a decade to'better serve the community'.Why straighten something out in six months when it can be extended for a decade? Any atty.for the city can still say,'No problem.It's ok.Slam, dunk!'on this one. cc: website,blog
Reposition:10-28-09.Advising the Chief/tape and cd technique cont.10-28-09.The S/Ws also blasted made high pitched opereta tapes and cds, the kind used in horror films before the devil pops out or something,over and over deliberately left on outside.They knew what they were doing.
This was still done during the holiday 07 and all of 08 period, the extensive repetitive cd technique period, with the Sett.Agee.to prevent it. Who advised the Chief on that insultingly badly timed letter while all that was still going on? And who advised him to say to go the the Sheriff's Dept.?9-09.And who advised him to disregard the Sett.Agree.11-05.? And who advised the Hawkins/Oh/ Com/Lias. policies for the five and one half years before that? There seemed to be no concern for the detrimental effects of all this on this residency,just the concern to continue it and cover it all up.
Cd/tape technique cont. And please be reminded of the duration of bongo and wardrums tapes and cds with Lori chanting and threatening on them,insert audio website dates,deliberately left on outside over and over.Combine this with banging, screaming, screaming threats, trespassing while doing it,screech singing for hours,their horrific family fights full blast,their gloating they could do it, and their law enfor. backup to continue,and you have one impossible decade of unnecessary everything with still really lame coverup excuses still trying to be used.This was complely unnecessary time and expense on the part of a residency to try and counteract all of it with again, really lame excuses to cover it up and keep it going. cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on the blog.Website and blog incomplete and needs reorganization.
10-24-09.Besides the decade anniversary of harassing and stalking coming up,this is the year anniversary of the S/Ws 'think rifle and electrocution' incidents,both still memorable, the first being especially scary as that's how people get hurt.That was really shocking.We never saw anything like that coming. Andy never deserved to be put in a position like that by anyone as innately evil and devious as the S/Ws,no matter how much ridiculous law enfor backup they had.
Luckily, the responding senior ofc. had a brain and responded well when told of the problem with the S/Ws and the Injuntion/Sett.Agree. to stop them from lying to and using law enfor.to help them harass.
The emails and mailed documents were definitely kept up after that, as for some still unexplainable reason the patrolmen and newer ofcs.were never told what had and was happening with this situation, just continual misinformation and flat out lying to cover it up, probably because of the mess made out of this by Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lisa., already explained.That would probably still be going on if it wasn't for the internet,emails,website,blog and sent documents to the patrolmen and others.
There is a movement from musicians complaining about their music being used at Guantanamo.There probably is no legal standing in blocking the choice of selection. At the very beginning,when the S/Ws were blasting so loud, you could hear them on three streets and into the park, I told Det.L.Hawkins that the S/Ws were tryring to 'waco us out', that technique having been used in Waco Texas. He discussed putting a machine in this yard to gauge the sound, but didn't.This was ridiculous as all you had to do was stand in the park to hear what the the S/Ws were doing. Particularly grating was the third world type radio station blasted on static for hours,with children in this yard,website audio insert date, after 911, that content as disturbing as the volume and duration, probably the point.The S/Ws brought that machine up in deposition but that was not my idea and not done.
The blasting continued along with everything else. Made tapes were left on outside of Lori rapping,web audio-insert date,'I can rock 'til 6 o'clock. I have an attorney!'.Someone must have told them they could blast/do that at certain times. After 6 PM.,they just switched back to the screaming, banging, trespasing, etc.,to continue and then went back to the blasting after 6P.M.anyway.There was no way to stop them, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies. The S/Ws had all their bases covered by code enfor.and law enfor.They still called in on anyone trying to have a pool party with regular music as it bothered them.
Extensively using that technique all of 2008 and the 07 holiday season never should have happened, especially with the Sett.Agree.to prevent it, while the Chief made lame excuses to cover for the S/Ws and their law enfor.,past and present. That technique should have been off during that time instead of all attempts to get it off thwarted. There was no concern for any detrimental effect on this residency with that or anything, just the concern to cover for the S/Ws and law enfor.which was impossible.
There had been disccussions as to the intelligence of those in charge.The S/Ws were smarter and better at this than anyone in this city and had told and were telling everyone what to do.It is not good when the lowest common denominator of behavior gets control, especially when patrolmen and patrol cars are used to continue it at taxpayers' expense
The mindset is still bad.The era of the S/Ws' absolute control is over,but they still think they deseve it, reinforced mindset, and they remain a problem probably for life.
This remains a modern horror story which would still probably still be going on full force if not for the internet,emails,web,blog, and mailed documents.
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10-24-09.Cmdr.M.Oh should stll not be working,He came here about same time the S/Ws moved here.He and Sgt.C.Oh,cofounder of C.O.P.S., had front row seats,the residency bordering this one to the south, for years to hear and see the S/Ws' over the top behavior, years before they targeted this residency and knew more about this than anyone what was going on.When this residency was targeted, they should have helped this residency, not helped the S/Ws do it. They both more the anyone knew what as going on.They cannot say they didn't know what was going on,but are still probably trying to do that anyway.
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The S/Ws are more than likely still lying to law enfor.and law enfor.is more than likely still covering it up.If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.,11-05,for that,it might have stopped that.
If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.for trespassing and trespasing and harassing,it might have stopped that.
If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.for throwing things into this yard,it mght have stopped that.
If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.for the cd technique,it might have stopped that.
But the upper echelon of law enfor.covered for the S/Ws while patrolmen were stuck riding around in circles dealing with this with conflicting instructions, at taxpayers' expense.
The emails,website,blog and mailed documents had to and still have to be sent to patrolmen, etc.
Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.violation process?
It's not as if the S/Ws can deny violating every part of it, but they can depend on protection and coverup,and they have gloated over that audible from their backyard and between the garages
while they were doing it.
The city had the deep pocket for continuing this and has shown that it would and did do that.
These are wasted years of unnecessary intolerable annoyance for no good purpose.
And please be reminded that filing a circuit court case,emailing,sending documents,and puttng up a website and blog,as the only option, are not conidered standard by any residents' standards.Neither is putting up with all this.
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10-26-09.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help. Re: comments about inactivity in these two areas.
10-26-09. As far as resulting civil recuperation action, the only atty. known and trusted not to flip this, does not work on contingency. And you can be sure every deep pocket opposition maneuver would be used to try to stifle all this.
As far as help from the Sett.Agree.violations' process with atty.assistance, it is now an approx. $5,000.00 minimum due to the thwarting by law enfor.and city.The situation remains in the hands of local law enfor. A modern horror story.That leaves emailing.This is definitely the S/Ws' city.
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10-28-09 blogged before 10-24-09. Re: in part:Exactly who was advising the Chief to send that badly timed letter and to say to go to the Sheriff's dept.9-08, and to disregard the Sett.Agree.11-05? And, who was advising the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies for the five and one half years before that?
10-29-09.Mayor F.Schorr,
The fiscal expertise in running this city is laudable and appreciated,The lack of expertise in handling the S/Ws and their law enfor.for over a decade is not.The reinforced S/Ws don't want to stop and there are no more lame excuses for law enfor. Please reassess your mayoral skills and opportunities in handling this.The Atty. E.Bruce Johnson approach,9-06,was a disaster. Thank you. Seelighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates.Thank you.
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All emails have been regularly sent since1-08 to the mayor,city admin.,city clerk,code board, commissioners,approx10 law enfor.ofcs.,and many others.The law enfor.ofcs.were added later as necessity.All were sent documents.Three local newspapers were also emailed.
Law enfor.and the city did not try to stop this situation on their own They covered it up until they couldn't anymore.The situation remains precarious.
10-30-09.There is concern about blogging the first email below,as it may appear to be approaching a petty level, and this situaion and the complaints about it have been anything but that.But,there already is a certain degree of pettiness from people continuing and covering up this,as if this should never be complained about.
10-30-09. I have already complained about LHP Commissioner Sandy Johnson's dual role as an active city commissioner,aware of the nine year harassing and stalking situation with this residency,and as an ambitious columnist, constantly putting the same people continuing and covering this situation up, in her column as if there were no problems here.
After the first five and one half years,spring 05,Commissioner Sandy Johnson was the first Commissioner I went to for help and she was given the tapes now on the audio website.
Chief Licata called and I started talking to him. His concession was to say that this residency being screamed at for hours and hours was inappropriate behavior and would not be tolerated.So, the S/Ws started screaming at intervals and in shorter spurts.And the rest of the behavior continued.This was also fiercer and more intense.No one should have to listen to Lori trespassing and screaming that the the laws had been changed and she could now shoot someone in the back.Especially after all that happened in the preceding years.The S/Ws still had law enfor. protection to continue.
The Chief didn't budge. So,I approached a second Commissioner and sent him the tapes,who was intelligent and well meaning and spent a lot of time with the Chief trying to straighten this out.The Chief maintained his position,and the harassing and stalking continued for years.It took a wesite,07,blog,09,and emails,08 sent out to everyone including the patrolmen to try and stop all this,which still hasn't been resolved.
I made a regretable base comment,emails sent 10-19,20,-09, about the Chief's picture in Sandy's last column,10-15, mostly from a lingering resentment about being stuck talking to him for three and one half years while this was still going on.This wsn't necessary as I had already emailed and posted the complaints about that and have tried to keep things blogged analytical.
In Sandy's column this week,10-29,the Chief's photo opportunity is with scouts,with a mayor's son.
I do wish Commissioner and Columnist Sandy Johnson a speedy recovery.At least she can do it at a residency where she,anyone there,and anyone going there,does not have to be be screamed at,threatened, blasted with made tapes,etc.,etc by people with law enfor.protection.
If she had to put up with that,she might think twice about giving the Chief another good photo opportunuty,especially one which really seems above reproach,and good image and good damage control.
This is not a game,especially for a residency that has had to put so much time and expense into trying to stop something that never should have happened.If Rick Green didn't want anything about this printed, he didn't legally have to,but he isn't a commissioner trying to put a good PR spin on a bad situation.
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Previous blogged emails:
6-12-09.As contributing columnist/reporter for The Deerfield Observer, 'Sandy On Society', Sandra Johnson's column is fun,amusing, and an insight into the pleasant and well structured living of LHP.
However,as acting city commissioner with privy and associations with the inner management of LHP,who protected and covered up this nine year harassment and stalking situation,people and agencies appearing regularly in this column, there could be the appearance of obvious,disingenuous conflict of interest in doing both at the same time.Easy accesssibility to a usuable format for good city PR is an asset. See www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP
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sent10-19,20-09 Re: 'Sandy On Society'.Being an active city commissioner and a determined columist is a dual responsibility not easily done by most accomplished people without some conflict.....See blog.
11-02-09.Please be aware that the oversimplification of, 'We're working on it!''We taking cae of it!', re: over nine year harassment amd stalking situation, does not suffice.This took a circuit court case,a website,a blog, and emailing to get any kind of relief or assistance or acknowledgment and a great amount of time and expense,while putting up with it, and it still takes upkeep.
This oversimplification should not be used to protect the people who caused it.This never should have happened by anyone's standards except LHP's.Thank you.
There is still a concern over the cd technique being started up again.Lettting this happen is good leverage.
There is still no company here.No one wants to be a guinea pig in case the cd technique or anything else starts up because there is company here trying to use the backyard or pool or just parking in this driveway.
That over 14 month extensively used cd technique really made its impression and point by the S/Ws and their law enfor. And that was after everything else in the preceding years.The situation remains unsettled, tenaciously in the hands of local law enfor.
All emails have been regularly sent since1-08 to the mayor,city admin.,city clerk,code board, commissioners,approx10 law enfor.ofcs.,and many others.The law enfor.ofcs.were added later as necessity.All were sent documents.Three local newspapers were also emailed.
Law enfor.and the city did not try to stop this situation on their own They covered it up until they couldn't anymore.The situation remains precarious. cc: web,blog
11-08-09. LHP News, Can Chief Licata address harassing and stalking and what to do about it? His expertise on this subject may be interesting.Thank you.
Can Commissioner Chip Lamarca discuss this in 'The Commissioner's Corner'?Thank you.See email 9-02-09,'Commissioner's Corner'.cc:LHP News,Observer,Pelican,Forum,www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
11-09-08.Please be reminded,the situation remains unsatisfactory as the time and expense of all this was/is unnacceptable for any residency.There has been no expressed concern for the detrimental effects on this residency,only the concern to continue and cover it up.The reinforced mindset is still unnerving. cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.All final editing done on the blog.
Loud screaming Sat.night11-07-09 approx.11PM.about this for some time from inside their residency.Reinforced mindset.Loud comments in their front yard next day.Reinforced mindset.This is minimal except fot the unnerving, expressed, confident mindset.
It is hoped that Commander M.Oh and Commissioner Chip Lamarca don't have aspirations to become Chief of police or the Mayor.Although the ground rules have been established that law enfor. lies and the city covers it up,it is still unclear who is teaching and instructing whom here.
Who was responsible for keeping Det.L.Hawkins protected and employed? Who is responsible for keeping Cmdr.M.Oh protected and employed?
11-10-09.The Atty.E Bruce Johnson reply/excuse,8-06,that the city is not responsible for the negligent acts of govt. workers,was used,thereby trying to clear law enfor.for their special treatment of the S/Ws for all those years and allowing it to continue.
The screaming, threatening,while trespassing, banging,blasting,etc.etc. for all those years by the S/Ws should have been stopped.
What is ironic about the Atty.E Bruce Johnson reply/excuse is that while it was being used and trying to say that law enfor.did not have to protect this or any residency, law enfor. had sent and was still sending patrol cars over here for what ever whacky reason the S/Ws could think of,which was extremely harassing as there was no way to stop it because there was no way to know what the S/Ws might 'think of 'next,for example, looking at them when they were screaming,threatening,trespassing,and banging,or while trying to do yardwork and repairs here,or while trying to use this yard and driveway,etc.,etc. See blogged emails.
Where was the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson reply/excuse then,when all that was being done for the S/Ws?
Realizing, recognizing, and dealing with the drive of someone like the S/Ws to harass and stalk was unnerving enough. Realizing they were going to get law enfor.protection to do it was another shock.
The Atty.E Bruce Johnson reply/excuse could have been unraveled,it was flawed,but at a cost of thousands of dollars.
The S/Ws and their law enfor.were financed by taxpayers.
This residency had to finance itself while putting up with all of this.
The Sett.Agree. to stop and prevent all this was disregarded..
Legal professionals aren't really stumped by all this,knowing exactly what happened.
The question is,why was something so inane done and why for so long?
Who was/is in charge of all this for all the years?
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And please be reminded that this was not one incident where a lot of 'instant experts'start analyzing and giving their opinions as is done today.This was many many incidents continually done over and over so there was never really time to get over them before the next one happened. Who was in charge? cc:web,blog
11-11-09.8A.M.again. LHP's special client,Mr.Starr, is sill exiting on the wrong side of the road.It is hoped the finale to this will not be an accident in front of this residency.There have been some near misses startling other drivers.At least he isn't waiting on the easement on the north side of this residency until the traffic clears up,where it's easier to give this residency the finger at closer proximity.But,it is probably safer if he waits there to check traffic instead of just pulling out. cc:web,blog
11-12-09.Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.which was to stop and prevent all this? There is no statue of limitations and there is a compound provision for repeat violations,both and all parts necessary to counteract the protection.
If this was happening next door to the Chief's residency, the reports would have been immediate after the instated Sett.Agree.and the situation controlled within a month on every part of it.
The S/W did not deserve to be protected by a well salaried Chief for years after being protected by Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.,standardized salary,for 5and 1/2 years.In the 3and1/2years stuck talking to the Chief, he probably netted $300,000.00.clarification insert. He could have done better with the situation. The problem with the city and law enfor.damage control is that they did not expect any degree of sophistication to the opposition. Slam,dunk outlook.Now,instead of just grabbing anyatty. to do what they want, they have to talk to a higher caliber of atty.who is probably only going to say,"What the heck were you thinking?!"
The situation remains unsettled, unresolved, and unsatisfactory.
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This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
11-28-09.The mindset is still bad and determined and that is unnerving .2P.M.Mr. Starr sits with Lori in their backyard while Lori complains amd complains,audible into this house as to how it was noticed, probably the point,about the Sett.Agree.,the whole thing,etc., non stop for an hour until they both went inside. Again,this is unnerving because of the determination and of what could be comimg next.This is going to be a problem for probably life.The whole thing could just start up all over again.
We still don't have company The retaliation and anctics were always immediately there.It's kind of like getting an electic shock every time until you just don't do it anymore,probably the objective which worked.
Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.? The S/Ws violated every part of it and this residency had to just put up with it.If they had been fined just once after it was instated,it might have prevented the following bad years. cc: web,blog All final editing done on the blog.11-29-09.Afternoon.Loud family arguments and complaints about the situation,etc,audible into this house.Lori and John yell talk between the garages.I was home alone and trying to sit in the backyard. This is not trivial. The mindset is still bad and determined.It could just start up all over again.If they can,they will. It sounds as if the factor for controlling the harassing and stalking is the Sett.Agree.which this residency paid for.This could have been done when it was instated,but law enfor.and the city had other ideas.
11-23-09.Sent11-28,30-09. Re:inquries of interaction,policy
There has been no direct contact with law enfor.or the city since 10-08. After the 'S/Ws think rifle' situation, the Chief and the City Administrator were directly spoken to. After the 'S/Ws think electrocution' situation,the City Adminisrrator and one of the responding ofcs.were directly spoken to.The Chief did not respond about the second situation.I wonder why.
The rest has all been emailing, the web, and the blog. It's the only thing that worked after nine years.
If the S/Ws start to act up,after about 20 people are emailed,it stops.
This requires a lot of upkeep.
There is always the basic fear that all this could just start up again especially if left unchecked and not noted.This is good leverage.
There is however still the basic underlying complaint of the way this was handled and the time and expense trying to stop it. Any LHP resident would still have this underlying complaint..
The situation remains unresolved,unsettled and unsatisfactory.
If the S/Ws could, they would.The minset is still unnerving and their loud discussions usually complaining they can't get what they want or plotting how to get it,are startling.
Again,this is a lot of upkeep,but emailing was/is the only thing that worked after nine years.
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Clarification: There was one direct call made to public works in the last few months over that car thing.
"The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy."
That complaint was expressed in or before 2001.That's right,2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started approx.Dec.99. That's right,Dec.99. See web. Happy Decade Anniversary. Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.?Why is Cmdr.M.Oh still employed? Note: During the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia era, the Mclean law firm was given the tapes,court tapes audio web,regularly and up todate,as this firm had assisted in a previous city problem. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.still would not stop the harassing and stalking.The bottom line was, law enfor.would not stop it and did exactly what it wanted no matter who brought it up,this still inexplicable .8-06.When then commision president,S.Gordon,was put on notice there was a problem with law enfor.,she was helping with a fund raiser for Skip Campbell, who also had been sent the tapes early on, and then he had called and spoken to me about it.Law enfor.then did what it wanted.
Sent.11-30 -09. Mayor F.Schorr, Mr.J.Lavisky,Re: Storm drain assessment. Before any more money is paid into this city................
Is it possible for reimbursement on the $500.00 fine imposed by the code board regarding that fence situation, that fence the S/Ws banged on and stood behind as a barrier to scream, threaten, and harsss for 5and1/2 yrs.with salaried law enfor.protection?
Is it possibe for reimbursememt on that $200.00 plus tree removal situtation,that tree that was on the S/Ws property when they wanted to stand there and scream at,threaten,and harass anyone in this driveway with salaried law enfor. protection,but on this residency's property when it was time to pay to remove it?
Is it possible for reimbusement and damages on the decade nof harassment and stalking and dealing with it? 8-06,that excellent attorney left an open window for just reimbursement, but Atty.E.Bruce Johnson had other plans,and things did not go well for this residency in the following years,including the Sett.Agree. disregarded. Thank you.
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"The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy."
That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.
The first Top Ten List of flim flam remarks by the Chief.
1.telling me I was trying to make it sound as if there were a vast right wing conspiracy,out to get me.He then said no,not right wing,just a vast conspiracy.2.telling me the S/Ws stopped blasting that 'issue cd' after 6 months because they wanted to on their own3.everything in that letter he sent me
4.telling me to use the 'clanging dish situation' as a report for the Sett.Agree.
5.telling me there were no written complaints when I had been talking directly to him
6.telling me to stop emailing or he would keep sendng the patrol cars over
7.telling me to go to the sheriff's dept.if I wanted help
8.telling me he would not talk to me any more if I complained about the way things were being handled.
9.telling T.Palmieri that I could use the freedon of information act if I needed to get infor.from her
10.telling me in 05 that he had only been here for a little while and needed more time
ADD:The first Top Ten List of flim flam remarks by Det.L.Hawkins.
12-09-09.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
Two emails,11-30-09,12-03-09 from Roberta Backus Turnermailto:TurnerRoberta@backusturner.com about these emails.Reply: 12-03-09,before receiving the second email. Reply: Roberta Backus Turner, Emailing is the only thing that worked/works after nine years.This is not the projected image of LHP,but it is definitely the LHP reality. Emails can be easily deleted.This residency had no easy relief or any other option. An apology for anyone's inconvience would be a civilized act, but there is nothing civilized or normal about this overall decade situation. One commissioner, however, did overextend himself trying to help. This situation does not need a subplot by a business woman. Please check or investigate the facts. Thank you. cc:www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates.http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog.
'This decade situation remains unresolved,unsettled,and unsatisfactory.'
12-04-09 through 12-09-09. This computer,under warranty,insured and protected, malfunctions.Techs spend hours, protection upgraded, cause still not determined.
12-09-09.For anyone complaining about the emails, .......... The botttom line is, the S/Ws still do not want to stop harassing,stalking,and flat out torturing. They would if they could.The only thing that worked/works is the emailing
This takes a lot of upkeep.They already got over 14 straight months of that intolerable repetitive cd technique,blasting, and then at various volumes, after the Sett.agree., after 8 years of using that along with everything else they did.
They aren't getting anymore.
I said this in spring,06, months after the expensive Sett.Agree.,when putting up that orange mesh fence between the garages to try to keep them from still trespassing and harassing,that they had gotten their six targeted years. But,law enfor.and the city had other plans and there were more bad years.
08, the emailing started and was/is the only thing that worked/works.
The bottom.line is, what needs to be done to stop this will be.
Anyone indulgent and shortsighted enough to ust criticize the emailing is not a solution for the problem.
There has already been too much wasted time arguing with law enfor.who got it,but still continued it with messy coverups.Cmdr.M.Oh should not still be working. I don't know what is done with a Chief who becomes a major protective advocate for this type of behavior and completely ignores the detrimental effects on the victims/this residency.
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The first Top Ten list of flim flam lame excuses-Cmdr.M.Oh
1.Nothing happened.2.He didn't know anything was happening.3.No one told him anything was happening. 4.Nothing written, nothing happened. 5.It's Det.L.Hawkins' fault.6.All those dispatched patrol cars, patrolmen, and training ofcs. for 5and1/2 years didn't happen.7.All those dispatched patrol cars, patrolmen,and training ofcs. for 5and1/2 years were handling things.8.The Circuit Court case could be easily explained. 9.The newer and traning ofcs.didn't have to be told the truth.10.The new Chief didn't have to be told the truth.
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"The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.
12-14-09.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
Besides the S/Ws stopping any kind of normal living a this residency,it still took a lot of time and tens of thousands of dollars to try and stop them,so the S/Ws kind of won twice, getting away with it and this residency having to spend all that time and all that money. Law enfor.protected the S/Ws and the city protected law enfor. Anyone in LHP would still be complaining. The people who protected the S/Ws would be complaining if any of this was done to them,probably if just for a few months and if having to spend just a small amount of money.
The mindset is still bad and determined and probably will now never change.They would if they could. Emailing is the only thing that worked/works.Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations? The reimbursement and damage issue has not just conveniently faded away.
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"The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.
12-14-09.See web,web audio,blogged emails
The first Top Ten list of screaming, threatening, lying ,taunting, while banging and trespassing, lies and remarks by Lori, initiated Dec. 99, by Lori screaming while trespassing that she would not be ignored,-that certainly turned out to be true, and that she could make us move, she could make anyone move,-that will never be true
1.that I was calling them and hanging up and calling and threatening, she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
2.that I was stalking her doctor. she-trespassing,and in their front and backyard,and at their back interior fence
3.that we/Andy/I tried to run over Mark. she-trespassing,and in their front and backyard,and at their back interior fence,over 5years..
4.that we murdered Andy's' parents and took their house. she-trespassing ,and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
5.that we murdered her brother,2000or01,insert date, while ambuleance and firetruck were at their residency, usual patrol car not there, they had called dispatch and treid to file a crminal complaint. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
6.that Andy and I were child abusers. she-trespassing,and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
7.that I took her gas cap and left her car door open in her driveway. she-trespassing,and in their front and backyard,and at their back interior fence
8.that she wasn't the sick f---,I was, and that she had papers to prove she wasn't. she-their backyard
9.that Andy chased her down the street. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard,and at their back interior fence
10.that Andy harassed them at a store. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard,and at their back interior fence
Second Top Ten list continued,rearrange
1.that we stole her cat and that I took her poster down about the cat at publix.she-trespassing,and in their front and backyard,and at their back interior fence.
2.that I turned on the holiday lights to bother her. she-their backyard
3.that I went onto the enclosed porch part of this house from the inside of this house to bother her. she-their backyard
4.that I was in her parking lot at work and went into their driveway and backyard. she-trespassing,and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
5.that her mother's illnness was my fault. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
6.that I was recording their/her threats,etc. illegally and they wanted damages. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
7.that Andy threw a empty cardboard candy box at her.They got at least two patrol cars. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence.
Intense trespassing and harassing incident with trespassing with a video camera.insert date. All three trespassing and harassing, north side, and John trespassing between the garages with the video camera
8.that we had banged on her garage doors.she got three patrol cars. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard,and at their back interior fence
9.that the laws were changed and she could now shoot people in the back. she-trespassing, and in their front and backyard, and at their back interior fence
10.that she could scream and take pictures and did. she-their front yard and trespassing and then she stood right on the interior backyard property line,8 ft. from this pool, after the S/W removed their/our? fence and screamed at and took pictures of Andy trying to work on the pool and then put a chair right there on the property line and sat in it with her camera, from screaming to taunting. after the Sett.Agree.
However,with open visibility and nothing to hide behind,the S/Ws stopped their harassment on the backyard property line where the fence used to be That was good because the propery line is only 8ft.off the pool and that close proximity of all that screaming, banging ,threatening ,taunting,etc.,etc.,was intolerable and definitely made its point, along with being done while trespassing between the garages and on the north side.The new fence still gave visibilty.
The S/Ws came back with and used that blasting repetitive deliberate made cd technique intensely and extensively for a straight 14 months,even with the Sett.Agree. instated to prevent it and gloated that it could not be stopped. Law enfor.and city protection.
It is still unclear why the S/Ws and this type of behavior got so much backup and protection for a decade.
The targeted harssing, stalking, screaming, trespassing, banging, threatening,etc.,etc., should have been handled/stopped in a maximum of six months,not covered up.
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Add: third top ten Lori,Hawkins top ten list,John top ten list12-15-09.Re: expenses.It cost the S/Ws approx.$3,000 a year for completely unfettered, 24hour, routine, directed harassment and stalking,a bargain by any sociopaths' standards.They didn't seem to do or want to do anything else at their residency anyway except fight with each other.11-05. Sett.Agree. approx. $8,500 to their atty,not clarified,and $7,500 damages,known.
The Sett.Agree. should have stopped all that but the S/Ws brazenly continued, mindset, violating every part of it and gloating,backyard,that they could and would and did,and coming out to yell talk and yell over the blasting cd technique that there was nothing this residency could do about it.
The S/Ws got another three year free ride after the Sett.Agree.from law enfor.with of all people, the Chief, as their protective advocate,Mr.Starr loudly announcing and gloating to Lori and John,by their garage, audible into this house,I was home alone,that,'Gail can't call Chief Licata anymore.' (?)
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The first Top Ten list of loud,yelling, threatening remarks by John.
1.that we-to Andy and me-,were going to burn in court.he-front yard. 2.that Andy was outside too much moving the portable sprinklers around. he-their backyard. 3.that he had a video tape to use against us. he-their backyard. 4.that it wasn't over until somebody dies,yelling really loud.he-trespassing between the garages after the Sett.Agree. 5.that I defaced their property.he-trespassing ,between the garages. 6.that I blocked the paramedics' entry into their backyard-to the paramedics.he-between the garages not trespassing, orange mesh fence up. 7.that he hoped the city would lien this house for thousands of dollars and take this house, yelling really loud.he-at backyard interior property line. 8.that the ambulence calls for him,06,were our fault,to paramedics. 9.That is was harassing him that I could see him and watched him trespassing between the garages,usually daily, noticable also by noise and harassment, after the Sett.Agree.to stop the trespassing and harassment there. he-their backyard,trespassing between the garages. 10.that there were no reports on the repetitive cd thing for the Sett.Agree.he-their backyard
Second list.1.1-20-10.That I belong in jail and deserve two months in the slammer.he-their backyard with Mr.Starr
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12-16-09.The blog, http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ ,1-09,with the emails, 1-08,09, necessary and the only thing that worked/works,and with the updates and the website explanations, was set up because when the website, lighthousepointflorida.net/ ,07,was set up, it had hours of audio, I did not have a lot of computer savvy,and it would not be a good idea for me to be going in and out of it to add explanations and updates,and possibly disturbing it. I never went into after it was set up. The website was set up quickly with just the five years of audio and the written 1and1/2 year explanation done in 2001, as it was really necessary to stop the lying and misinformation to try to stop this situation and for help, and the rest would just have to be added. The 2001 written part on the website obviously needs grammatical corrections,and is not up to par,but it was composed while under a lot of stress with this then,and will remain as is with grammatical mistakes. cc:.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates.http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary
12-17-09.The first Top Ten list of flim flam remarks and excuses.-Det.LHawkins- Keeper Days honoree,2-09.when law enfor. policy for this situation was made,instated, and maintained
1.There was no such thing as police protected harassment and stalking
2.If the S/Ws/Lori thought staring was stalking,they could get patrol cars
3.Nothing could be done-no property damage
3.Nothing could be done about he S/Ws' horrific routine,screaming, banging, family fights extending between the garages onto this property
4.Nothing could be done about the horrific fence banging,directed screaming and directed threats,while also trespassing. for hours,against this residency
5.Nothing could be done about the horrific fence banging,directed screaming and directed threats,while also trespassing,against this residency,for hours,with children, elderly, company here.
6.Nothing could be done about blasting made tapes,cds,radio on static,even while trepassing,screaming and threatening at the same time.He was law enfor.and code enfor.
7.He erased all my complaints and calls when I was directly dealing with him.
8.Complaints against the S/Ws were not 'properly'done.The S/Ws complaints were'properly' done.
9.Lori was crazy and got excused and the three men got excused. Even the S/Ws' pounding atty.didn't use that and he used almost anything he could.
10.The S/Ws did not have bail money
Cont: Second Top ten list
1.There was only one other written complaint,in deposition,when he had told everyone to call in anonymously
2.He could just say it was our fault and just let them do it,and did.
3.When Lori stood on a chair at the interior fence and screamed at this residency and called dispatch,it was my fault because I moved an empty garbage can on wheels.2001
3.The S/Ws could scream, harass,and call for patrol cars when we tried to mow the remaining 4-5 ft. of property between the garages and north side, which they didn't just take and use as theirs and call for code enfor.vehicles when we didn't.He was law enfor and code enfor.at the beginning .maintained over 5 yrs. To be continued. Add top ten code enfor. remarks
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12-19-09.They're back! Approx.2P.M.Every now and then I use my neighbor's lawn service.I wasn't sure exactly when he would be coming and wasn't prepared. He did the interior inbetween the garages and then went to do the neighbor's, as I had to really scramble to remove the extension cords for the front holiday front lights and get everything off the backyard lawn which was really cluttered. Lori and Mr.Starr immediately came outside into their backyard,sat down,and started yell talking.They haven't been outside for a long time,but this was the first time there was anyone or anything happening here to focus on about, as we have no company,especially no children who are not off limits for the harassment. I was really scrambling in the backyard moving garbage cans and patio chairs as this service works fast and would be right back.
And then I noticed, Lori was whacking something everytime I made some noise moving something getting the backyard ready.She sat right next to Mr.Starr and did it right next to him. Just what I had complained about before, that if she heard any noises in this backyard, moving a patio chair,etc,she would hit something, even keeping something next to her while she was in the pool so she could hit something without getting out. This is still unnerving mindset. It's not the actuality of what was done, it is far from the worst, but the mindset that they are always going to do something.When I was through,she stopped and they went inside.He shouldn't be encouraging her.She does well enough alone.They did not bother the lawn man or come back out when he came back to do the backyard and that is an improvement.
Still, unnerving ,bad mindset. Apparently, these are people who really aren't worried about anything,even the threat of the Sett.Agree., even with all that complaining about it -what was that all about?, because someone in this city has always and probably will always protect them.They probably still think this residency is a sitting target for them with no recourse, because that is exactly what happened for a decade.They will probably always be a problem, with protection. 12-20-09.11:30A.M.Mr.Starr and Lori come out into their backyard yell talking and doing something with their pool, audible into this house as to how things are noticed, Lori complaining about me and Mr.Starr loudly announcing something to the effect that this is his house and he going to do what he wants. Anyone familiar with the past decade know this a man who definitely knows what he is talking about and how to get what he wants.
Unnerving bad mindset, which never should have been reinforced for a decade. That was short.They went inside but kept coming out in spurts for a while to make some noise banging something, loudly but not blasting loud, probably mad because I complained about that deliberate mimic banging if anything is heard here.That mimic banging thing has been used for sometime. Again, that isn't of course the worst, just the idea they will always do something, probably their objective to let that be known.
The problem with the S/Ws is, they would if they could, and that takes a lot of upkeep.
The situation with this residency is always the same, no normal living with a lot of time and expense, with the harassment and stalking going from horrific,to mild, to almost nil, but always there ready to take place at any opportunity or opening. That described situation with this residency, a constant, remains the same in varying degrees, no matter what is going on with this situation anyplace else which I don't know about.
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12-18-09. Re: Commissioner Sandy Johnson's column,'Sandy On Society',12-10-09, picturing at a C.O.P.S.' party, former neighbor, Sgt. Chris Oh's father-in-law, and early complainee about the S/Ws' years before they targeted this residency for a decade, who of course did nothing to help this residency during his continually praised and well mentioned long CO.P.S.years. Maybe someone told all of them nothing was happening or not to do anything about it. He knew what was happening.He made tapes way back then. Note: Sgt. Chris Oh worked with Det.L.Hawkins on this and I talked directly to both of them when I was naively going to the station to try to get help way back then at the beginning, but the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies were going to be in effect. Sgt.Chris Oh and Det.L.Hawkins both got Ofcs.of the Year for their work in helping to set up C.O.P.S. Are Sgt.Chris Oh and Cmdr.M.Oh trying to say they didn't know what was going on and didn't tell the new Chief?
As far as community and reporter skills go,there should be some sort of innate sophistication in determining that line of having laudable ambitious savvy and of just having a little bit too much testosterone. That last statement may be deleted as a little too foolhardy as law enfor.and the city used/use anything they could to minimze and side track the big picture.This is not about a LHP selfserving good PR column. There's too much more, such as spending over $30,000,00 to try and sit in your backyard, etc.,etc.,etc. cc:.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates. http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.
12-21-09.The following email not yet sent, 12-18-09, contains a hypothetical suggestion.The S/Ws have really been complaining about the Sett.Agree. I don't know if it is from law enfor./city using it as leverage to control their antics, although the S/Ws know there never has been or ever will be any help in enforcing it in this city, or if it is from all the calls,loud discussions,they make to attys .who just tell them it is valid, which it is, having been done by an excellent atty.
From the begining, the S/Ws have wanted to sue this residency and Andy for anything,just approx.a month ago, John announcing in their backyard that it might get him a new car.These calls and loud discussions were really bothersome and scary for years before, as this residency was already paying legal fees to stop the general problem without having to worry about fending off whatever, and the S/Ws had too much backup.These calls now serve a better purpose of letting more people know what they have done,and the more awareness,the better,as awareness of any kind, from anywhere is still help.
This residency should never have had to pay all that money to get something for help and I never should have had to send all those emails for a year to get some results.
These were /are the worst possible people to have been given all that law enfor.protection,and backup, as it just fed into an already sociopathic mess.Their mindset will probably never now be reversed.
Reimbursement aand damages are still an issue.What LHP resident would want to have paid for this with no other option?
12-18-09. sent.There is still the fear that the S/Ws and their law enfor. could just slowly start up all over again. That is good leverage to not complain about putting up with all that for a decade, and all the time, expense, and upkeep to try to stop it.
One strange thing,the S/Ws had/have loud family discussions and arguments complaining about the Sett.Agree. as if it actually is some kind of deterrent.What is this? It wasn't before, disregarded by law enfor.and the city for three years.
I haven't directly talked to anyone in law enfor.or the city since 10-08,just emails, the only thing that worked/worked,which is probably better for me because putting up with the Chief's flim flam over three years just added to the aggravation of already putting up with the S/Ws and that aggravation alone was intense and intolerable enough.
It would be ironic,but not surprising, if the Sett.Agree.was being manipulated along with everything else, that it was disregarded by law enfor.and the city when this residency really, really needed it for help and then/now used as leverage to contol the S/Ws' antics that a report could be written up and they could be fined.That would mean that the mechanism wasn't their policy,but,which is still a whole lot better than the policy of just letting it happened and saying nothing happened.This is hypothetical,I don't directly talk to law enfor.or the city,but it does seem that someone is using it both ways.
But, law enfor.and the city didn't pay for the ultimately expensive Sett.Agree.
This residency paid for it with no other option.
This residency should not have had to become the money pit for handling this.
There should have been some regard for the detrimental effects of all this on this residency, instead of just letting it continue and trying to cover it up.
There is still a vvery big fear that the whole thing could just slowly start up again,especially with that cd technique,a violation at any volume. Not even one minute of that would be tolerable anymore,after putting up with it for over nine tears,intensely used for 14 months straight at the end,while the S/Ws gloated they could do it even with the Sett. Agree.to prevent it. Any LHP resident would be saying that.
After a decade of putting up with all of this, over $30,000.00, a circuit court case, a website, blog, and email upkeep, there should have been a little more concern for this residency.This residency will have to pay a lot after the thwarting to enforce the Sett.Agree. LHP remains the S/Ws' city.
The Sett.Agree.was supposd to stop and prevent all that, not to be disregarded while the S/Ws continued with protection. If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agee was instated, the remaining bad years might not have happend, as they would have had to answer to someone outside the city beside local law enfor. which protected them while they gloated.The Sett.Agree. set up the necessary situation of not just being controlled totally by local law enfor., but law enfor.determinedly got around that.This situation remains in the hands of local law enfor.,a tenacious and not deserved situation.
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12-22-09. Why is Cmdr.M.Oh still employed? Besides no help with the intense harassing, stalking, trespassing, etc.,for all those years, the S/Ws got to get patrol cars sent here whever they wanted, really adding to the harassment as just another harassment technique.There is incident after incident of this. One of the worst, holiday weekend 05,when Lori ,sensing our first atty.vulneralbility, upped the harassment to ferocious, and spent three 3 days continually screaming at, threatening, and taunting this residency,while also trespassing, and then got three patrol cars over here saying we banged on her garage door. What LHP resident would want to have to deal with that? Incidents like that are not that easily forgotten.
And, this was after the first contacted commissioner,Sandy johnson, had given a set of tapes to law enfor.,which Com.Lias. already knew about and already had most or all of them.
It cannot be understated how scary it was to have Lori screaming while trespassing that the laws were changed and she could now shoot anyone in the back.
There was of course no help from resepondent Ofc.Lara Tyler on that three patrol car thing. Ofc.Search seemed as if he wanted to help and I did call him back, but the Chief was giving the tapes back to the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.situation, where this whole mess had been controlled and maintained for years. Snide excuse comments such as this residency did not handle complaints right,etc.,etc., is something else no LHP resident would ever want to put up with.
As the years went by, it could be estimated the if the S/Ws called in about five times,and they called constantly for what ever whacky reason they wanted,-while they were continually harassing, stalking, trespassing, etc.,etc., - law enfor.would just give in and do what they wanted and send patrol cars over here just to get the S/Ws off their back, with no concern for the detrimental effects on this residency and seemingly no concern that this residency would ever complain about that, along with complaining about getting no help. No LHP resident would ever want to have deal with that.
From the beginning, the S/Ws' atty,Atty. R.Yates, young, brash ,unethical, and determined to'win', no matter what his clients were really doing, seemed to have a little bit too much pull,contacting law enfor. on behalf of his clients,the S/Ws, and known for defending law enfor.cases,which I found out by accident. He did wince, however,when I said, before deposition or mediation,check dates, 'Nice weekend.Three patrol cars.Lori said we banged on their garage door'. He knew things were really out of control in LHP. But, he continued his 'win' thing until this residency finally paid a really competent atty. to stop him and the S/Ws, which was, of course, disregarded in LHP by law enfor.and the city anyway.
Someone should be investigating this whole thing who just isn't going to help cover it up, because LHP doesn't want anyone to know what happened. It's a little too late for that. Cmdr.M.Oh shouldn't be given much 'understanding;' Neither should his brother. Nobody gave anything like that to this residency. Det. L.Hawkins did get out of this with the Keeper Days award. To be continued. cc:.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates.http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.
Reposition to under TopTen John
The First Top Ten List-Mr.Starr-remarks,most loud and yelling.blogged after John Top Ten
1.'Should I be doing that with my bad back?' He saw me trying to plant something near our garage door. and came right up to me and stood over me, trespassing approx.two feet off this driveway. I didn't say anything.It took me a while to get up and get away from him and go back into this house, him yelling,'Don't you walk away from me,you putz!'
2.That our barking dog and fireworks bothered them.We had neither.-mailed letter from their atty.3.That Andy and I continually yelled and said things through and at the back interior fence at them. he-to neighbors. At the begining,when we complained to law enfor.and really needed help with the targeted harassment, stalking, trespassing, blasting, banging,etc.,etc. Not true.We knew we or anyone here couldn't because the S/Ws were trying to say it was a two party thing as excuse. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era
policies.S/Ws' protection. One time,about 2and 1/2 years into this,check date,audio web, after over three really fierce days and evenings of screaming at, threatening,and banging, in their frontyard, backyard and trespassing between the garages, I finally did say something in our backyard near this backyard fence, to stop, where Lori was standing and screaming at us on her side.This was a royal coup for the S/Ws because they finally got a response from this side. The S/Ws immediately got three patrol cars over that, saying they were harassed, who came to our residency over their complaint. This residency, of course, got no help with the problem. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies.S/Ws' protection era.
4.That it harassed them when we used our automatic garage door opener. he- their front,backyard and trespassing between the garages. One time,I walked into our garage from the backyard and had to open the garage door,from the inside, the smell of ammonia was so overwhelming and odd. He was using ammonia in his driveway.This garage has a side vent on their side.When I opened the garage door, he ran yelling into the road and median and complained to the the neighbor across the street that it 'harassed' him.
5.That it 'harassed' him/ them if anyone was in this in this driveway. he- their front,backyard and trespasssing between the garages, from the beginning. The residency is recessed.I have to go outside first to see if anyone is in their driveway.Even after the Sett.Agree.,he even complained to a neighbor walking by about this when I came out to fix this mailbox and he was in his driveway.
6.That I was going to jail, for taping their screaming threats,etc .he-trespasssing between the garages with Lori. Just before Lori did that standing on a chair at the interior backyard fence yelling at this residency thing,he outside with her
7.That he was going to break my 'f------ legs. he -really yelling and trespassing between the garages and then into their backyard, mad because Lori had called and gotten patrol cars over there over something obtuse, check date, and he just got home after they left and thought I called them on her. And he/they didn't want me taping for evidence
8.Andy and I were harassing Mark.-to police.also drove to station with Mark over this. Mark was 'harassed' if he saw us,company, workmen, or anyone on this property.When the fence came down, Mark sat in a chair in their backyard directly facing this residency and stared until he saw me inside this house and then yelled he was being 'harassed' when I looked back at him from inside this house.
9.That it was good that 'Mark got everything off his chest'. Mark saw me trying to clean the driveway and came back out to harass and yell. I couldn't just stop and go inside to get away from it.I was using chemicals. he- their front yard,next to Mark
10.That they would hire a hitman.Mark reminded him that at the same time that person should get the tapes. he-to all,loud,family discussions and arguments
Second Top Ten List-Mr.Starr
1.That they didn't trespsass, or trespass and harass.They didn't violate the Sett.Agee. 2.That I had defaced their property. he-trespassing between the garages with John and Mark,after the Sett.Agree. 3.'Look what the neighbors did to us!'-to people walking by in the road,about the orange mesh fence put up between the garages to stop them fom trespassing and harassing there months after the Sett.Agree. to stop it.4.'Did anyone see and could Lori say she was not out there with John when they both trespassed and harassed after the Sett.Agree.?' they-loud family discussion about beating the report thing for the Sett.Agree.5.That I was going to jail. he -between the garages, not trespassing,mesh fence up, just before they got three patrol cars over that 'think electrocution' thing.6.That 'Gail couldn't call Chief Licata anymore.' he- gloating to Lori and John,near this interior border by the back of their garage. To be continued.cc:.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates. http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.
12-28-09.Re: repeat descriptions of incidents in emails and blog. There are noticable repeats in the descriptions of incidents.This is for new readers who haven't read the whole thing and also,because in LHP, you can complain and complain over and over and get nowhere.You get the Atty.E Bruce Johnson excuse.The S/Ws got a decade free ride from law enfor.and the city.The Sett.Agree.11-05 should have stopped all this but law enfor.and the city diregarded it. This is still the S/Ws' city.
There was not even one fine for all the violations after the Sett.Agree.,which this residency had to put up with,which is now a pretty steep situation. It wouldn't be surprising if the S/Ws were getting some sort of suggestion of help to move and avoid all of that. Except,the violations are retroactive and not on a statute limitation once done,even if they move after violating, especially with the added legal situation of law enfor. and the city thwarting the process.
If the S/Ws move, the injunction is not in effect for future harassment and a new one will probably have to be gotten. It is not as if the S/Ws will probably stop from doing something from somewhere else.Their mindset is still bad and determined and they got too much dangerous reinforcement in LHP, but the past violations are still enforcable,especially with the added legal situation of law enfor.and the city thwarting the process to help the S/Ws.
If the S/Ws do move and if that last statement, violations statute, is legally challenged, there should and will have to be some sort of statement from law enfor.and the city,as to why the violations weren't handled while the S/Ws were here,and why also the whole thing happened.
The reason is because law enfor.and the city work for the S/Ws and assist them with everything, but there still needs to be an explanation regarding the detrimental effects on this residency, although the city and law enfor.still have the deep pocket to dig one up, probably a legal nmaneuver. A lot of people are watching this now..cc:.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates. http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001.insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.
12-30-9.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help.
12-30-09. Happy Upcoming Second Decade!
Re: Dealing with the S/Ws' directed harassing and stalking against this residency and their law enfor./city protection for a decade.This does not regard the S/Ws' horrific behavior for years before this among themselves.
1.The S/Ws' reinforced mindset is still bad and determined and is probably irreversable.
2.Cmdr. M.Oh is still employed.6-14-04.audio web.typical.Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies
3.There have been no reports for the Sett.Agree.
4.There has beeen no reinmbursement and damages.
5.The Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse that the the city is not responsible for the negligent acts of govt.workers remains.
6.There is still the fear that the whole thing could just start up all over again with the S/Ws and their law enfor.
7.This residency remains at a constant, not being able to be used in any normal way, and after over $30,000.00,a Circuit Court case,a Sett.Agree.,a website, a blog, and constant emailing-the only thing that worked/works-, the situation still requires constant upkeep. Happy Upcoming Second Decade! cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates.http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog."The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary! Happy Upcoming Second Decade!
Note: Emails,bad timing.12-31-09.The emails were sent without full knowledge of the 'shooting situation',Dec.20-09. They could have been held back while this was the main focus.There are certain protocals. However, in LHP, appreciation of protocal and bad timing were null and void with this ten year mess. So,it wasn't really out of line in LHP, but the emails were definitely not deliberately sent with full knowledge of the above.Thank you.
1-03-10.I was sitting alone in this backyard with the lounge chair all the way up to this backyard garage door out of the wind and in the sun. John and Lori came out,John to turn on the pool pump.He saw me sitting there and they both complained. Apparently, there is still to be no sitting in this backyard,since whenever the S/Ws decide to come out and turn their pool pump on or off,it bothers them.
This bad, determined mindset is still is unsettling.This is not trivial.
Mr. Starr and Lori had/ have the cunning savvy to run an entire city around in circles.Mark didn't,he was too obvious,but he still got protection anyway, as anything the S/Ws did was ok in LHP. John's determination is scary and he doesn't have the genetic excuse.
Instead of spending all that time protecting and reinforcing them,they should have been stopped,as this is probably now irreversable, and requires continual upkeep.There is still the fear that this whole thing could just start up all over again with the S/Ws and their law enfor.and city protection as the situation is still tenaciously in the hands of local law enfor. Happy Second Decade. cc:lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008-09 updates.
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1-04-10.----- Forwarded Message ----From: Brian Tarbox To: aseahorse Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 5:57:10 AM Subject: RE: 12-31-09/bad timing emails
Could you please take me off your mailing list, I delete these without reading them & have no interest
1-04-10. The above email was received from Ofc. Brian Tarbox. He was one of the responding Ofcs.for that three patrol car response for 'the S/Ws think electrocution' incident. He was with his supervisor, Sgt. Chris Oh. He said he had just been introduced to the S/W situation. See blogged emails. After that incident, there was no direct contact with anyone from the city,just emailing. See blogged emails,insert dates.
Not to be redundant, but it must be nice to just be able to 'delete' something not 'interested' in.This residency, of course, did not have the option of 'deleting' anything it wasn't 'interested' in for a decade.The only thing that worked/works was/is the emailing. cc: web, blog.All final editing done on the blog.
1-06-10. This is is not a complaint against anyone who may actually tried to help in the last decade.In spite of a noticably overly smaltzy piece by Roberta Backus Turner,LHP News, praising law enforcement and the 'stellar leadership' of Chief Licata, the fact remains that there was a decade of more than questionable law enforcement work,and over $30,000.00 spent trying to use a residency in any normal way in LHP It's easy to write a column.I don't think this particular writer could have put up with more than one month of this situation and still be expressing this positive review.
Cmdr.M.Oh should not be employed and the Chief should not be still trying to cover all this up. The facts of this situation remain, no matter who tries to do helpful PR work,with or without actually studying the facts.Pushing one's weight around, possibly having been a little miffed,does not change the facts of this inexcusable decade matter. And, the also mentioned,former Commission President,Chip Lamarca,still should have spent less time campaigning for the broward sheriff and more time paying attention to law enforcement in his own city.This situation still has not been resolved and cannot be covered up.Actually, in the big picture,taking the time to address columns,no matter how gratingly obvious,does not resolve the decade situation and the remaining effects,and really should not be engaged in. Anyone always can just write something given a format.
The mindset is still bad and determined and there shouldn't be any type of encouragement to have it start up again with protection and with protection for those who maintained it and covered it up.This tenaciously is still in the hands of local law enfor.
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1-7-10.approx.3P.M.I had been in the backyard for about an hour or more,lounge chair up to the backdoor of the garage.Lori came out and turned on their pool pump and then came right back out and turned it off and then went into their house really yelling that every time she went out there,I was there. Again, no one is supposed to use this backyard.This is not good, given the history of this situation and the protection and backup the S/Ws got.The mindset is still very bad and determined and unnerving.The whole thing could just start up all over again.The S/Ws got too much protection.They are probably irreversable.
1-8-10.approx.2P.M.Lori,John, and Mr.Starr started really loudly arguing, audibly noticable into this backyard and residency, reminiscent in intensity of the early years when they used to do that and then go back and forth to scream at this residency while they screamed at each other, because they could.That was unnerving to remember.They were mad about Mr.Starr's doctor and medical treatment. We left at approx.3P.M.It was still going on as fierce then.When we returned, approx.4P.M.,it seemed to have stopped.Then,at approx.4:30 P.M., a firetruck with flashing lights pulled up in front of this residency and when I went out to see why,there as an ambulence in front of the S/Ws'.They were there for awhile and then Mr.Starr left with the ambulence.The S/Ws have a long history of calling ambulences and firetrucks. Only one seemed really serious and necessary.
1-9-10.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the last decade. The S/W' mindset is still bad,determined, and very,very unnerving.Instead of just being grateful and appreciative for being protected and cleared, they seem to be too belligerent about just wanting to continue, and probably would, full force, except the emailing ,the only thing that worked, seems to hold it back. A lot of upkeep. It is not believable anyone with a brain watching this collaboration of the S/Ws and their law enfor.could not have seen this final product coming.
Cmdr. M.Oh should still not be working.6-14-04.audio web is typical of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era policies.
This procedure of not helping, and then saying,'it didn't happen,or 'it's in the past', or 'nothing written, nothing happened', even while it was extensively going on, still does not settle well with anyone who had to put up with it.The Chief should have ended this procedure insteasd of using it, which wasn't too smart.
There is always someone somewhere who will give approval or good PR.,the last "stellar leadership of the Chief' thing' a little too obvious. At least, it could be said that,'The Light,LHP News and Beyond', put their money where their mouth was, although this residency had been doing that from the begining, as, in LHP, if you wanted to try to get some help,you had to pay for it.It is probably hoped that if the owner/editor of 'The Light,Etc.' again feels somewhat a little miffed and challenged in that self indulgent way, she doesn't rekindle her stilted inquiry into the law enfor. protected harassing and stalking decade situation, try to prop up the Chief's image, and cause more attention to it. Using a shooting incident was below standard.There was a decade before that.
It is never a good idea for a Chief to spend over three years trying to cover up a preceding 5and1/2year situation.This should have finally been ended with the Sett.Agree.Actually the whole thing never should have happened from the beginning and should have been handled in a maximum of six months.The end result of all this is a very unnerving, reinforced, determined mindset.The S/Ws are very used to getting what they want.
Is it some sort of surprise that there are still complaints about this?
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To be sent.1-9-10. "T'he Light,Etc.' Re: Standard Editorial Format
Can Chief Licata discuss the decade harassing and stalking situation in LHP? Can Chief Licata express his views on this? Can Commissiomer Chip Lamarca express his views on this? Thank you. Gail Pfistner 3540 N.E 28 Ave.LH.P 954-943-4386 cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008,09,10 updates.
sent 1-9-10.Deerfield Observer,Re: editorial format
Can Chief Licata discuss the decade harassing and stalking situation in LHP? Can Chief Licata express his views on this? Thank you.Gail Pfistner 3540 N.E 28 Ave.LHP.954-94-4386:cc:lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008,09,10 updates.
Note: There is some confusion over 'The LHP Magazine','The LHP News', and the new,'The Light,Etc.' There is such a thing as being a little too pushy or sloppy promoting oneself. 'The Light,Etc.' had a less than stellar debut.
1-16-10.This is not meant as a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the last decade.Re: Email, 1-16-10,below this one.
That 14 month deliberate 'cd technique' was the final and very effective method of ruining and stopping any normal usage of this residency.All was intolerable,from the blasting for months, to the deliberate multivolumed 3-5 minutes of the same thing over and over, especially with all the preceding years. Even with the Sett.agree to prevent it, the S/Ws,with their chief and law enfor. protection, gloated and taunted they could do it, even in front of the kids.
The only thing that worked was the emailing and sending the documents to approx.30 people for almost a year .It is still the only thing that worked/works.
No one will come here and put up with any of this. It is probably better anyway because company meant immediate reltaliation,so it was double jeopardy, and the the S/Ws also called in complaints against anyone here as it 'harassed' them, and no one wants to be a part of that.
It is also effective leverage and also can be used by the S/Ws to taunt and annoy,probably, the objective, that it could just start up all over again, and even 5 minutes of that would be intolerable for anyone who put up with it and it is an inforgettable reminder bringing the whole thing back.. The S/Ws could also use it to try to get some attention and activity here, to force a response to stop it. But who would this residency call? Three years of directly talking to the chief just produced more protecton, excuses, and backup for the S/Ws. A sociopath's big kick is devising and thinking of methods and watching the results.There was no one better at this than Mark who got a good seven years of this,who spent most of his time loudly plotting new methods.His thrill was getting the police vehicles.
In a city that touts sophistication, it is unclear how the lowest common denoninator of behavior got so much power for a decade, except that the lowest common denominator of behavior was assisting them.Who were the advising attys. for a decade?
It is a formidable legal inquiry as to how far law enfor.and city attys.can go in in propping up and protecting this.
It woud be nice if the whole thing could just be over or mainly if the whole thing just never happened. But the reinforced S/Ws are too determined and they will never stop trying to do something.
It probably will not stop until attys. get tired of propping up law enfor.and the city in propping up the S/Ws. So far, for a decade, this hasn't happened.
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Sent.1-16,additions18,-10. It has been cold so the A.C.has been off next door and there are a lot of really loud arguments, reminiscent of the olden days,and Lori especially has been really mad. At approx.11:30 A.M.Sat., Andy and I went outside into this backyard so he could work on this pool .He is a certified pool operater,but hasn't been able to use or maintain his own pool normally for years because it bothers the S/Ws if he is in this backyard. Old story. Really old story.
The S/Ws had already been arguing but it really escalated when we went outside, and Lori really started yelling, and then it sounded as if she was loudly making phone calls, complaining.Then it just stopped. I instinctively still look for patrol cars because they could get them for years, but none showed up and the S/Ws did not even come out to 'mimic bang'. So this seemed pretty good.
HOWEVER, they thought of something else,later. Loud music with the sliding glass doors open, from two areas of their both houses,increasing the volume when we we were visible outside.I'm not sure who or how many were home but it couldn't have been on a timer beause it went immediately off when, I, visible, went right up to the interior backyard fence to look.This is not my regular reaction because it is too scary to go right uo to the fence because they could call to say it was'harassing' them to look. This definitely was to taunt or to get a response.There is no way any of that cd./tape/any type noise maker is going to start up, even if the Chief sits in their backyard with a city atty.
AGAIN,THERE IS NO WAY THAT CD/TAPE/NOISEMAKER TECHNIQUE IS GOING TO START UP AGAIN EVEN IF THE CHIEF SITS IN THEIR BACKYARD WITH A CITY ATTY.
14 months of that exclusively used, after using it it for over 8 years before combined with everything else is enough ! They got enough! It is a violation. If this was meant to taunt and annoy, it did, probably the objective. cc:blog,web.All final editing done on the blog.
1-18-10 continued. It could have been Mr.Starr on the 16th if he was home alone, due to the source of it.It more than likely was to taunt and try to evoke a response.If anyone showed up, disregarding the past history, it would have seemed ok.Any excuse by law enfor.was used to minimize the situation and get away from the big picture, and that might have worked on that day, and then the whole thing could just slowly start up again.
Source: Lori used to open the window in the backyard room of their house closest to this patio, and scream at, threaten,and taunt, also yelling she could do it because she 'was in her own house'.Lori and Mark used to open that window and blast the radio on static/tapes/cds with the same excuse 'that they were in their own house',when it was really too obvious they had done it too long in the yard and they had to cover the equipment when it rained when they left it really close to the residency. It takes a while to get everything straight, because the S/Ws had many methods, most notably their law enfor.and code enfor protection to let them do all of it. Lori also used to open their backyard sliding glass door,stand right inside of it and scream at and threaten and taunt this residency.One unforgettable day,she was really going at this and a patrol car started slowly circling this block.I don't remember who called in that day. And then the strangest thing. Over the loud speaker, the patrol car was getting the instructions that it was ok because Lori was standing inside her sliding glass door.This instruction was repeated. So,Lori continued. There are a lot of memories from the S/Ws and the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era policies. It really was a modern horror story.cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
1-18-10.That nine year continual 'cd/tape/noisemaker technique', extensively and deliberately used for14 months with the Sett.Agree.to prevent it, was so disturbing, it's impossible to get out even one decent email about it when it starts up, without a lot of mistakes.Where's the report for the Sett.Agree. violations process concerning it? If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree., it might have prevented it from being used in the following years,and so intensely being used for that 14 months. What is the Chief on salary for? Just to cover and protect the S/Ws? It's not as if it wasn't really complained about,over and over. He wouldn't have put up with even two weeks of that happening to him. And he probably wouldn't have had to pay and file a lawsuit along with everything else going on to to try to stop it. cc:web,blog All final editing done on the blog.
1-18-19.Lori has been continually screaming and complaining audible into this backyard and house reminiscent of the past years,since their A.C.has been off which pumps on this side of of their house.Hearing that constant screaming and complaining is unnerving, as for years and years, this residency usually ended up getting it directed at it with something when the S/Ws did that. Approx.3:30 P.M. the S/Ws have some sort of visitor,which is rare but that visitor has been there a few times before. Mr.Starr and Lori are loudly,madly, and confidently complaining to the visitor in that very determined way, audible into this backyard and house even with their A.C.now on and pumping and they are really complaining about the police.They are also good at getting new support from someone who doesn't know the past or situation to bother this residency. One of the wierdest, unexpected sideplots, not directly sent by the S/Ws, there are plenty of those directly sent, was when I got served by the sheriff's dept. from the S/Ws homeowners insurance, saying that I would be responsible for the insurance atty.'s fees if the S/Ws continued to bother them to pay their damages for the harassing and stalking. I just didn't respond as I never thought of that and did not legally participate in any of that.Then the S/Ws really screamed and yelled for hours and hours because they were mad at their insurance company, and that was audible into this backyard and house. Another memorable incident.And that wasn't the worst.There are many more fully directed ones.
When the S/Ws start screaming, it really is unnerving,because there are too many incidents, and it is too reminiscent of when they continually screamed and then harassed this residency at the same time. Hawkins/Oh /Com.Lias. era policies.Then,the Chief took over.
Note: There is the question: When compulsive harassers and stalkers have had a set victimizing situation, for years, where does that drive go when that set victimizing situation is no longer available?
1-19-10.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the last decade. 1-19-10. Re:Ofc.M.Riemer named Ofc. of theYear,2009.3 years, LHP. Ofc.M.Riemer did go through the usual decade traditional rite of passage in LHP, passing with flying colors, of new ofcs. and training ofcs., in protecting and helping the S/Ws harass this residency, showing up in patrol cars on their behalf, and in not helping this residency. He was involved in the first two,9-9-o8,10-11-08 of the last three multiple patrol cars visits on behalf of the S/Ws.Last.10-29-08. I did complain about all those. See emails. After that,there was no direct contact with law enfor.or the city, just emails,the only thing that worked/worked..
The second time he was here, it was really awful. explantion blogged..
This was during that 14 month intolerable 'cd technique' period when that alone would have been enough for any LHP resident, after the preceding years, without the S/Ws' lying, harassing, patrol car visits on their behalf, both the ongoing situation and the visits Sett.Agree.violations.
And, Ofc.Riemer he did get to express his mouthy assessment of the situation, at the worst possible time. Who told him to say that? Let's hope he finally got the story straight concerning this residency. He has been sent all the emails and the documents since he showed up here.
It took close to a year of emiling and sending documents,starting 08, to over 30 people,including the patrolmen, to get any results.It was the only thing that worked/works. This decade situation has been/is expensive and time consuming, requiring upkeep. Explanations of the above visits blogged.insert dates.
It's amazing to think that this residency would probably not have had anything to do with the inner workings of this city in the last deacade, had it not been for the S/Ws and their law enfor. However,after 5and1/2 years of the S/Ws and their law enfor., there was nothing left to do, but contact the city. However,the situation continued anyway intensely for another 3 years with an instated Sett.Agree. as .the S/Ws and their law enfor. remained and untouchable and cleared, no matter how outrageous and obvious..
The Chief shouldn't have gotten so mad at the refusal for the 'sitdown', 9-10-08, and said to go to the sheriff's dept. for help.The Sett.Agree.clearly states no speaking contact except in an emergency. Apparently, besides not being able to 'write', he also can't 'read'. That was in theSett.Agree. with the rest to stop the routine screaming at, threatening, taunting, talking at,and while trespsassing, etc.which the S/Ws continued doing anyway after the Sett.Agree. because the Sett.Agree.was disregarded and the chief was becoming their major advocate. It is not clear if he was just helping the S/Ws or trying to cover the whole thing up,but both were not smart.I did say at the time that couldn't be done without an atty.,and who was going to pay for that? Note:When the Sett.Agree.was done,it was necessary to immediately stop and prevent really outrageous behavior. It could have been fined tuned to include and define much more, but no one then really expected law enfor.and the city to just disregard the basics of it.
At the beginning, insert date, during the horrific Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia.era policies, Det.L.Hawkins did suggest a sitdown, but exactly who would want to sit in a room with the S/Ws who were routinely and regularly screaming at ,threatening, trespassing, smashing the fence, blasting, etc. -and with their cop/cops who were just letting them do it? So, approx.eight years later with an ignored instated Sett.Agree., the Chief wanted the same thing. A lot of progress.
It was agonizing enough just being in the same room with the S/Ws for hours of depositions and mediation, necessary in a civil case,which wouldn't have been necessary if the S/Ws didn't have law enfor. protecton in this city, even though this was done in another city in a contolled situation where they couln't act up. They just keep doing that in LHP when they got home with the same protection and with a lot of gloating. The S/Ws even turned the depositon situation into a harassing event, with Lori yelling and taunting outside that they could keep us in deposition as long as they wanted and ask us a-n-y-thing they wanted and that is exaclty what happened. After hours of that, if you walk out, you have to pay for the depositon because it is supposed to go before the judge if you walk out, and the last one cost this residency over $500.00. late 04?insert date.It never did go before the judge.Their atty.knew better than to proceed with that technique one more time,but he stil still kept sending annoying letters he needed 'more questioning' just to annoy us while the S/Ws gloated.
There is a point to make it too expensive to proceed, and with the S/W getting their law enfor. protection in the city, this was a good technique because there was nowhere else to go but to keep paying.This has already been explained. Law enfor.was very belligerent and determined during the Hawkins/Oh /Com.Lias era.
The chief also apparently couldn't 'read' the papers the city atty. sent him,8-6, with the complaint that there was a problem with law enfor.in the city, but that was before the web and blog were up and before the emailing, and it was easier to cover this up.
It's was little too backwards that law enfor.would think to keep propping up the S/Ws and to think that people would still be giving approval and good PR.to law enfor.,and that no one would expect anyone caught in this mess to not complain.
The problem with the SWs is that they come with cops, and incompetent cops are given the same protection and backup put in place to protect the good ones.
The S/Ws mindset is still very determined and unnerving. They will find something to do and law enfor. can still just clear it and just make excuses for them and there is the fear that the whole thing could just start up all over again.
Again, it took close to a year of emiling and sending documents,starting08, besides the web and blog, to over 30 people, including the patrolmen, to get any results. It as the only thing that worked./works.
It's was little too belligerent of law enfor.to just think all this could go on with no complaining,especially with today's access to communication, which really wasn't there at the beginning.
That procedure of' 'nothing happening' while it was still going on and the policy of 'nothing written,nothing happened' was even still used after the Circuit Court case and the Sett.Agree.tostop and prevent it.The S/Ws and their atty.,civilly, did not deny that the S/Ws did all that. Their atty.wasn't that dumb.They just used legal maneuvers unttil that wore out and they were stopped by a really good atty.
Stopping the S/Ws within the framework of LHP was another story and the S/Ws gloated they couldn't be stopped. The S/Ws, however, have been, loud family discussions and arguments, worried about the fines for the Sett.Agree.which they violated every part of and gloated while they did it. They can rest assured the chief will never let that process happen, the policy of 'nothing written,nothing happened' used. The over three years stuck talking to the chief while he flim flamed and made excuses for the S/Ws is still unforgettable.This should be a documentary. Messes like this usually end up being one and this is a decade mess.
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1-20-10. approx.11:30 A.M.Mr. Starr and John come out into their backyard and start to 'yell talk', audible into this house as to how it was noticed. John is really loud and defiant and saying that I belong in jail and two months in the slammer is what I deserve.Mr. Starr agreeing with him sat in a chair directly looking at this residency.
This is scary as these are the people who got all the protection in this city.Their mindset is bad, determined, and unnerving and it is never certain who or where they will go to continue to do something.blogged under 12-15-09,John. cc;web,blog
1-20-10.Late afternoon.Lori is very mad and having a heated loud argument/discussion with Mr.Starr inside their house, audible into this backyard and house. Lori says she has to file a police report first to do something.This is a scary thought, especially in this city.After four years with no reports for the Sett.Agree., and the S/Ws violated every part of it, she probably could get something to cause a whole lot of trouble somewhere else, which would just cause this residency more time and money.This is not trival.This is one of their methods.The Sett.Agree. does state that' they shall not cause the filing of a false police report'. This was to stop the chronic and routine lying to law.enfor.and the harassing results and situations. Already explained.insert all dates. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
1-21-10.This report thing is not a baseless worry. Back to the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies: Lori was trespassing and really screaming at and threatening me and banging on this patio gate,not just the backyard fence. I called in for help.She was so loud, dispatch heard her over the phone and that was not a speaker phone and I was calling from inside this house. Lori also had been blasting music she had recorded. I had started taping for evidence, then from inside this house and sitting room porch as she/they were so loud, it could be recorded from there. I played back a small part of the tape inside this house to make sure I had gotten it on tape as I was new at this. Some of Lori's music was on the part I had checked and Lori heard that, being right up to this patio gate and interior fence.The police arrived. Lori complained that I was taping her music and playing it back to harass her. I explained to the ofc.,that I had checked a small part to see if it had been recorded. The end result of this-Lori got a report that I was taping her music and playing it back to harass her and the S/Ws were really celebrating and gloating that she had gotten the second report she wanted to file a restraining order against me. The first complaint that I was calling and hanging up wasn't enough and I hadn't done that. Lori had already told Det.Hawkins. that she needed a second complaint to file a R.O.complaint against me and she had gotten it, and nothing was done about the trespassing, screaming, threatening, and banging, which were by then daily and routine by Lori and the three men. I got served by the sheriff's dept. that she had filed a restaining order complaint against me. Det.Hawkins said not to go,that she wouldn't get it. At this point,who could believe him? If law enfor. had done their job and stopped the trespassing, screaming, threatening, banging,etc., again, now daily and routine by Lori and the three men, and had not handed out such slanted lame reports, I wouldn't have gotten served the first place. And Lori and Mark were 'yell talking' in their backyard, plotting what they were going to do and say to the R.O people. I went to the Hearing and explained everything,to the judge and she didn't get it. So for days, she screamed,yelled and complained for hours,one day for ten hours,that they also would not let her refile.A modern horror story.
This report thing was further aggravated by the S/Ws teling everyone that they had numerous police report against this residency and had already filed a R.O. This, while they were still fiercely harassing, trespassing and stalking this residency and anyone who dared to come here including children, with no help for this residency.This was again futher aggravated by their atty.,when a Circut Court case had to be filed to stop them, saying the S/Ws had numerous police complaints and reports against this residency and had filed a R.O., waving them around in deposition. And on the numerous ambulence calls, the S/Ws would yell and complain that their problems were this residency's fault and that they had police complaints and tried to get a R.O. to stop this residency from harassing them. Again, a modern horror story. And I did complain about getting no assistance with the S/Ws problem and the problem with slanted police reports and complaints which the S/Ws were routinely still trying to get. Bad law enfor.work goes a long way with the wrong people. The average patrolman is not expected to initially grasp sociopathic behavior, but a superior who lets incident after incident of harassing, trespassing, and stalking keep happening over and over with slanted complaints and reports and harassing patrol car visits, should not be working. And Cmdr.M. Oh should not still be working.
If it hadn't been colder and A.C off, I might not have heard the S/Ws, loud family discussion sand arguments, plotting something else.I complained for years about the S/Ws trying to get police reports to cause trouble elsewhere for this residency and anyone who shows up here, as it is a real threat.
It's been over four years since the Sett.Agree., and not one report for all the violations, thwarting the process put in place to stop and prevent the S/Ws' behavior. Fairness has never been an option in this decade mess. Again, it wasn't good to hear them plotting, as it is an open field with 'nothing happening in the past four years', and they could try the R.O. thing again or something like that or be trying to sue. It might be to try to counteract being fined in the violations process which they are worried about,loud family discussions. But again, they can rest assured he chief will not let that process take place and they have really gloated over that. If the emails,since 08, hadn't been sent trying to get help with this decade mess, the S/Ws would have probably continued worse that they did which was bad enough and would have probably gotten reports to use to cause trouble elsewhere from someone by now. The S/Ws are a lot of work. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the web. Clarification: I did really rather emphaticially ask for a report for the 10-11-08 incident, as this was very,very upsetting and Lori shouldn't get away with something like that with no record she did it. I was surprised I got one. But, I then realized she could cause trouble with it.It was between two bad choices, letting her get away with it with no record or having one she could take everywhere and try to cause trouble with. She did try to cause trouble with it, especially on 10-29-08, which was very,very irritating to hear her doing, and she probably still is.There is a difference between that and the S/W s chronically asking for reports to use against this residency to cause trouble somewhere else.This is a problem if she wants updated reports.I'm not exactly sure who to call to try to prevent trouble, probably R.O.to explain there is a Sett.Agree in place.
1-24-10.Approx.3P.M.I was sitting in this backyard close to this garage when John came out, turned on the pool pump,saw me, and complained to Lori who was out with him that I was sitting there.This mindset is very bad.They got too much help.It probably now is irreversable and they will continue to try to make trouble which has been a lot of work to counteract
1-25-10.The S/Ws are probably still plotting, especially worried about the fines for the Sett. Agree. violations.They would still be trying to cause trouble anyway even without that worry. And, they are in the right city to continue.There was only one disorderly in the horrific six plus years with a lot of coverup before the Sett.Agree. And in the years after the Sett.Agree., intolerable years by anyone's standards, there is nothing to say they did anything wrong,'nothing happened','nothing written,nothing happened'. So the playing field is open for them to cause trouble and as already explained, they will take paperwork, distort it and go anywhere with it to cause trouble.This is one of their methods.They are probably using the Chief's letter,9-11-08,to say he was defending them and they will probably carry that letter around for life, without my reply of course.And they will probably take any paperwork/reports to do the same thing.
As inept as it seeems, this method works to initially cause trouble which has to be counteracted. They will need new reports. At this point, they probably can only go to lower performing attys. but there are plenty of them, and they still have to be fended off.
It is still ironic that the S/Ws could get away with that intolerable, repetitve, made,deliberate cd technique for 14 months,with a Sett.Agree.to prevent it and gloat,while I was really complaining about it directly to to the Chief, and Lori could make a call and get two patrol cars over here lying saying I played music 'through and over the fence',which was a manipulative lie. 9-09-08.I was on this sitting room porch leaving a message for the chief that the cd technique was on again, then usually daily,and one of them went between the garages to the pool pump and then I knew whoever it was could probably hear my call but I couldn't stop as that one was to the chief's recording and I just didn't want to hang up, So,Lori made that call and two patrol cars came here on her complaint, which was probably to counteract my complaints over their cd technique for months.This was shocking. The chief told me "It wasn't his fault if someone called the cops on me." So, the S/Ws continued the cd technique for months while making more lying harassing calls with really bad results, knowing they could get away with the 'think' thing. It's too ironic if the S/Ws got paperwork on that incident to use to cause trouble,when they were extensively using the cd technique violating with the Sett.Agree.
The S/Ws are relentless crafty people, the worst kind of people to have given all that backup to.If they had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree., it might have prevented the remaining years, the point of it.But the chief chose to protect them and the mess continued.This should have been handled in the beginning in a maximum of six months anyway. A lot of these are repeat descriptions, but in LHP, you can complain and complain and get nowhere. cc:web.blog. All final editing done on the blog.
1-26-10.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the last decade.1-26-10. Mayor F.Schorr, Please be reminded, that just because it is 'normal' in LHP for one residency to have to do constant damage control to stop and prevent abuse, it does not mean it is normal anywhere else. This last episode was again too unnerving and time consuming. The issue that the S/Ws have a manipulative clean slate situation in LHP, to proceed to cause more trouble, here or elsewhere, after everything this residency has had to put up with for years, is beyond ridiculous. Incompetent, biased, selective, law enforcement should have been addressed years ago, And it is not believable that all of it was just incompetent, appearing to be deliberate, especially with the continual inept coverup attempts.There was a directed intent of awareness of this problem,8-06. Instead of a normal solution, the attorney used just assisted the problem in continuing. More episodes of this is something no LHP resident would want to put up with. This is an inexcusable decade situation.This should have been handled in a maximum of six months, and, it definitely should have been stopped and prevented with the Circuit Court action so the years afterwards wouldn't have happened. The excuse, 'because we could', is inexcusable, not tolerable, and not accurate.cc:web,blog.
1-27-10.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the last decade.1-26-10. The S/Ws' minsdset is still unnerving,belligerent and determined. Loud family discussions,late afternoon.They had a visitor and they usually get pumped when that person shows up. It still hasn't registered with them that this residency is not just a sitting victim for their abuse. They still want to do it and are always looking for a way to continue.They are also worried about the fines for the Sett.Agree. violations.They violated every part of it,know it, and gloated they could while they did it. They will probably keep trying to cause trouble with something or someone to try to get out of that, even though within the framework of LHP, they had protection against that and in the preceding years.The situation is still very unsettling.They were/are the worst people to have gotten all that reinforcement and protection for a decade.
Afternoon and late afternoon.1-26-10.Mr.Starr and John spent some time in their backyard 'yell talking' with their cat out,not usual and John kept yelling for their cat,audible into this backyard and house.Later Lori yelled loud close to this backyard that we had a cat in this garage and it was luring their cat over here,that her cat was trying to get to the cat in this garage.There is a large black tomcat that roams the neighborhood backyards but we do not keep it this garage.That manipulative 'cat thing' is a bad memory and better not start up again.
'The cat episodes': The S/Ws' 'cat episodes 'weres lengthy, unforgettable and there is no desire to have that start up again.There was a peroiod of time when their cat kept runnung away, noticable as Lori spent hours fiercely screaming, threatening, taunting, at this interior backyard fence and screaming, threatening, taunting while trespassing between the garages and on the north driveway side that we had stolen her cat, had her cat, and the I had taken down the poster she put up at Publix about the cat. This escalated to, when Andy was on the west and north part of this property, not the interior between the garages, using and moving portable sprinklers. Lori and John came out and went to the median in front of their house talking about looking for their cat and Andy saw them and came into this house. Lori started screaming that he had chased her dowm the street and she had witnesses.That went on fiercely for days and evenings with Lori screaming,threatening, taunting,etc. at him/us, that he belonged in jail,etc., at the backyard fence and while trepassing between the garages and on the north side.audio web,inset dates. At least the neighbor across the street didn't lie when the S/Ws wanted him as a witness that Andy had chased her down the steet.The cat came back and that episode seemed over. However, some time later, I was horrified to see their cat actually come into this backyard and just lie down. So,I called in and said their cat really was in this backyard and what should I do about it,as I just didn't want to hear any screaming.I was told to just let the cat stay there.The cat left on it's own,no screaming Maye the S/Ws didn't notice it was gone that day.Anyway, no more 'cat episodes' are desirable. Note:John had also been yelling and complaining, audible into this backyard and house,that Andy was outside too much with the portable sprinklers and that bothered them.This was not done on the property between the garages.Basically anyone just being on this property 'bothered and harassed them'. Old story.
The one thing the chief did do, middle 05, was to say that screaming at us for hours was unacceptable behavior and would not be tolerated, but that did not stop the shorter spurts,which were disarming as you never knew when they were coming, and it didn't stop the trespassing while they did it especially loud between the garages where they got their close proximity to this backyard patio.That didn't stop after the Sett.Agree.which was to stop and prevent all that.Old story.cc:lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008,09,10 updates.http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.Happy Upcoming Second Decade.
1-28-10. The S/W's have loudly complained about my choice of saying approx.$30,000.00, again audible into here and with that visitor there.1-26. That is accurate and what does a LHP resident do who doesn't have that or really doesn't want to spend that? This residency had no choice.There were damages paid by the S/Ws as part of the Sett.Agree., approx.one quarter of that,showing and found. See Sett.Agree. document. However, there are other expenses which can be itemized. In the 8-3-06 letter to the Mayor and the then Commission President, that excellent atty.uses that amount, 'incurred approx.$30,000.00 in atty's fees and costs for having to obtain the Injunction Order'. That's the letter that got the Atty.E.Bruce Johnson excuse and the problem continued. Let's also remember, this residency could not be used in any normal way and the amount of time put into into this is daunting.These are things no LHP resident would ever want to have to do. It is still very unsetting and inexplicable how the S/Ws got all that backup and protection. It cost the S/Ws less than $3,000 a year for completely unfettered 24 hour a day chronic, deliberate,and routine harassment and stalking, a bargain by any sociopath's standards. Atty's fees and damages.They didn't seem to do or want to do anything else at their residency except that and fight with each other. After the Sett.Agree.they got another free ride from law enfor.and the city for years.Then the emailing stated, the only thing that worked/works. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
1-28-10.Re: visitor.Approx,.10 A.M.Loud complaining from the S/Ws, audible into this house as to how it as noticed. Their visitor is back. Mr.Star and John are home and they are really pumped.Their determination and belligerency and their denial they ever did anything wrong is really scary.They are really complaining about Andy and me.They are really loudly going about my complaints about Lori saying Andy chased her down the street and her screaming, threatening,and taunting about it for days while trespassing and also continuing to lie about it for years. John is saying Andy was in the road. Well,when Andy used the portable sprinklers,he would walk outside the easement so as not to get wet when they were moved around to get the lawn closest to the easement. But he stayed on the west side and on the west side of this driveway on the north side. We knew what would happen if we tried to do anything with the lawn on the interior east side of this driveway.When Lori and John came out and walked over to the median in front of their house, he came in this house. This 'in the road thing' is a really cheap excuse for the days and days we had to put up with Lori screaming ,threatening, and tauting and lying while trespassing and continuing to use that for years. Other situations were discussed in the same manner.It isn't even the situations.It's the attitude.I wonder if that visitor heard the audio tapes.I wonder how much of that that visitor could take and put up with.
The really scary thing is,these are the people who got the protecton in this city and they are still pumped. And with the S/Ws protected and cleared of the Sett.Agree. violations and anything else they did since the Sett.Agree.was instated, and with the 'Nothing happened' and 'Nothing written, nothing happened' method, they have a clean playing field to start up again. What will they do next?
That visit went on for about an hour and a half and the fierceness of the drive, let alone the content was very,very unnerving and unsettling.It just got louder and worse and meaner.Very bad mindset.When the visitor left, the loud complaining and yelling stopped.The A.C.went on.The visitor said very little.Who would sit through that? Is this some sort of counseling? It really seemed in the preceding years, if the S/Ws got any counseling, it seemed to be some sort of outdated EST course where they would just come home more confident to harass this residency more.The S/Ws are very determined and crafty.They know what they are doing.
Anyway, that was shocking to hear, again very audible into this house.The mindset. This was louder and longer than ususal. Usually when they get like that, they close the doors and windows, turn on their A.C.and let it pump so they can't be heard. They didn't try to lower the volume or conceal any of of it as they usually do. Maybe that was the point, to hear that they still have someone to lie to and can go on and on in a situation they would not normally try to do. So, that works to their advantage.They always know what they are doing.
All this 'visitor situation' does is help the S/Ws continue lying and feeling more confident about it. In the past decade, there has always been someone 'new' to help them do that.There will probably be someone 'new' after this one. It's a pattern and a setback,just more reinforcement for the S/Ws.These were/are the worst people to give all that protection and backup to.They wouldn't even stop to protect the people who put their jobs on the line protecting and clearing them.
It's a good thing the website and blog are up and the emailing is still going on.The point was to stop the misinformation and lying, have a reference, and to try to get help.They are all still necessary and probably will be for a long,long time. That mindset is very bad, reinforced and protected for way too long,and is now probably irreversable.
cc: web.blog.All final editing done on the web. Note: John just came out to 'yell talk' right this interior fence, nowhere else in their backyard, and then went right back inside. His belligerence has always been scary but he of course has always had the protection along with all of them.Let's hope the activity at the interior fence and pool pump isn't going to start up again since the S/Ws just got pumped up again.
1-28-10.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the last decade. If there are going to be any more 'visitor' sessions with the S/Ws where they can loudly lie, assert their standard agenda, and get pumped up, perhaps they can all meet at the station where this wouldn't be a problem, as it would definitely fit in with the agenda there of the last decade. Maybe they could all meet at the Chief's office or Cmdr.M.Oh's. They've always been user friendly to their situation. Perhap's Det.L.Hawkins could be consulted. Agenda is agenda.
1-28-10. After the dust settles and there is more time wasted on S/Ws drama, which they can cause, it is probably a correct assumption that that 'visitor' situation was calculated to be heard and calculated as to what would be said.There will always be 'new' people the S/Ws can try to use, but the bottom line is they really did it all and will try to do more. They just got too much inexplicable protection.They will continue to be a bad problem.Very bad mindset. But, they know what they are doing and who to use. Right now, they are probably trying to get out of the fines for the Sett.Agree. which does really concern them. This should have been handled in a maximum of six months and it definitely should have stopped and been prevented after the Sett.Agree. And again, if they had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree. it might have prevented the following years.These were the worst people to give all that protection to. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
cc: lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008,09,10 updates.
http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary! Happy Upcoming Second Decade! audioweb,6-14-04, typical, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era policies
1-30-10. Re: The S/Ws' latest 'visitor situation' involvement. Another or alternate suggestion.
Re: Suggested activity,an outlet for the S/Ws,within their existing support system.
1-30-10. Re: C.O.P.S. Perhaps the S/Ws could enroll in C.O.P.S. They've showed remarkable tenacious skills in reporting crimes in the last decade,especially weapon and dangerous trap crimes,and have given hunderds and hundreds of hours of field experience to newer and training Ofcs. in the last decade. Any LHP resident would be pleased to have them patroling their streets, especially with the good remarkable job they've done on N.E 35 Ct. in the last decade.The Chief and other Ofcs.they've worked with could give them the necessary recomendations. And with nothing ever happening or written to adversely affect any recomendations or their own personal enrollment attempts, this could be a very easy simple accessable procedure.There might also be a publicized award presented to them by the Chief and Cmdr.M.Oh for 'A Decade of Community and Law Enforcement Involvement' to ensure quicker enrollment.
If there are any openings at Code Enfor., the S/Ws would be good candidates, as they have also given Code Enfor. hours of work and training with their diligent violation reporting in the past decade, and have been especially instructional with their accepted interpretation of the ordinances.
It appears as though the S/Ws have successfully fulfilled the requirements as with some job security and award situations within the framework of LHP and should advance to a position. cc:eweb.blog.All final editing done on the blog.
2-1-10. Determined mindset. The S/Ws already have controlled the system for the past decade. It doesn't appear that they will ever easily give that up.They are very good at it and had/have the backup. What will they do next and what's next to counteract? The only thing that worked/works is emailing.
The question remains.-When determined harassers and stalkers have had a set victimizing situation for a decade, where does that drive go when the set victimimg situation is no longer available? This is more than just a little worrisome.
Another question.What is the Chief''s explanation for just disegarding the Sett.Agree., protecting the S/Ws and letting the S/Ws contiue,with lame excuses? When you complain to a Chief that months after a Sett.Agree. to stop it, people are still trespassing and harassing in the same place they had extensively done it for almost six years, shouldn't he have stopped it? Instead, the S/Ws called and got multiple patrol car visits about that area while they were still doing it.They didn't want the fence up to keep them out and didn't want to give up the 3-4 ft. of property they had just taken and used as theirs, where they had screamed at, threatened, taunted, etc. this residency at the closest proximity to this patio area. An orange mesh fence they couldn't bang on finally had to do that, instead of him.When the whole thing to went to the Chief after over five and one half years of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia.era policies, shouldn't he have done something besides not 'get' it, especially after the Sett.Agree.was instated. What is his standing to disregard the Sett.Agree.? the later 8-06 Atty.E.Bruce Jonhnson excuse? And what really was the point to give the S/Ws all this? Again, if they had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree.,the remaining years might not have happened.Their mindset is still very determined.These are repeat questions and complaints.
Clarification:After five and one half years of intensely and routinely harassing, stalking, trespassing in that area along with everything else the S/Ws were doing, Hawkins/Oh/com.Lias. era policies, and the situation had gone to the Chief, the Chief did say that screaming at this residency for hours was unaccetable behavior and would not be tolerated. So the S/Ws continued in shorter length spurts,and while still trespassing, which was still disarming, because you didn't know when it would be happening. There is a time line to the complaints and asking for help.It just has to be repeated and repeated. There still is the question as to why this became the Chief's call and interpretation cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
2-2-10.Re: Another suggesed outlet or activity for theS/Ws besides the 'visitor situation'. Perhaps the S/Ws could work with some childrens' programs in LHP. Both Cmdr.M.Oh and the Chief could give recomendations. With 'nothing happened' and 'nothing written', the S/Ws are cleard for this and any LHP resident would be pleased to have them voluteering with children, especially with Lori's musial skills.
Any 'brought up complaints' about the targeted and directed behavorial pattens by the S/Ws of threatening and screaming while trespassing, fence banging, blasting made tapes/cds, screaming and threatening in general, screaming graphic descritptions of violence, taunting,etc., along with their lenghty horrific family fights, with children present here, from 12-99 through 5-05, then audible out onto three streets, all legal in LHP, could be handled by Cmdr.M.Oh. And any 'brought up complaints' about the shorter lengths of the above and the blasting and the various volumes of the repetitive 'cd tecnhique' for 14 months, with children here,all legal in LHP,after 5-5, could be handled by the Chief.
However, this may not need any handling, as the S/Ws are resourceful on their own concerning complaints about them and children, and complaints against them in general. After approx.eight months of complaining about this regular and routine pattern when children were present here to law enfor., besides complaing about all this in general, Lori simply went into her backyard, loudly banged on her studio apt. with a stick yelling, ''I hope those f------ kids drown!', among other things, and then drove out to file a child abuse charge against Andy and me, the grandparents.That agency did show up here,a very real shock, for a full lenghty investigation, and although the allegations were unfounded, the filing of the complaint is kept on record, which Lori knew would happen when she did it, as she had previously discussed it.See website.This also shocked the neighborhood, as no one wanted child abuse at their residency, and after months of a lot of people simultaneously calling in complaints, the called in complaints pretty much lessened to a few and to new residents, owners and rentees- for years, who had no idea how long this had gone on and the backup and protection the S/Ws had from law enfor. to continue.
Note.Det.L.Hawkins told me he would just tell the agency it was a revenge call. I don't know if he did or not.I did complain to them about what the S/Ws were doing with the children present. If there are any questions as to why a formal complaint wasn't filed against the S/Ws with this agency,-This was a very shocking and draining experiences and the general feeling was to just have that agency go away and never come back. A complaint with this agency would also involve questioning with the kids and this-the S/Ws behavior, their law enfor.protection, and that agency's investigation was already enough to try to explain to them.
And after that, the S/Ws immediately went back full force to their outrageous patterned behavior with law enfor. protection, with the kids in the backyard and pool, and this was the era when the S/Ws' directed, targeted, screaming, threatening, banging, blasting,etc.,and their lenghty horrific family fights were audible into this house and out into three streets, and also now with Lori adding yelling and taunting, while trespassing, that that agency had told her watch and report again if she suspected anything, which she kept up for sometime.- while all this as going on with the targeted, directed behavior with the chilren in this backyard and pool.
A very real modern horror story. The bottom line was -the kids were in no way again going to be involved any process with the S/Ws, even to try to stop them. And,of course law enfor did not. Hawkins/Oh /Com.Lias era policies.
Anyway,it is unsettling that the S/Ws were continually cleared with backup and proven protection techniques, and they can go anywhere, probably with recomendations, and continue to cause trouble..
The-Don't complain about them.They are crafty and have law enfor.protection in LHP, method -was effective and is still trying to be used. It was the LHP way of dealing with the S/Ws. If it wasn't for the court case, website, blog, mailing documents, and constant emailing, all this would still be going on with a lot of lying and coverup. The cover up is still going on although it has really worn thin.
Confusing Developments: 2-2-10.
2-2-10.Approx.1P.M. The S/Ws have a two car 'visit situation'.This time the windows and doors are closed and the A.C.is continually pumping, so if there is any plotting or lying, it isn't deliberately audible, but it is probably going on and will eventially become evident and need damage control later.1:30 P.M.,Lori comes home. Mr.Starr and John's car had been there. It isn't clear what is going on, but something is,as after a decade of dealing with the S/Ws' antics, you can usually sense something going on. If Mr.Starr is in any way impaired, it isn't certain how this will go,as he has usually maintained their demands by presenting himself as the head patriarch trying keep his misunderstood family in control, which wasn't the case.The others can't do that as well although Lori is very good at her part in it and she does get what she wants from law enfor. in this city.
There was a time when this residency had a lot of company, all ages.Now it's reduced to hoping anyone who shows up at the S/Ws' isn't going to cause any more trouble, expensive trouble.I remember in the beginning, calling Det.Hawkins and explaining I was going to have out patient surgery, giving the date and time,and asking if the SWs could not send law enfor.over then, as that was too much for any one who would stay and help, let alone the problem of putting up with being screamed at and harassed in this driveway and yard while here, a S/Ws' routine by then. I just decided to stay home by myself after surgery and avoid all that.He did call back hours after I was home,kind of trying to joke, that,ok, the S/Ws couldn't call law enfor.on this residency that day, but this really was no joke. Andy had tried to rest and recover from an auto injury,not his fault, by sitting in this backyard, Easter weekend, and it was impossible with Lori screaming at, threatening,while trepassing, banging the fence, for hours,with the three men out there encouraging her and joining in,and that went no where complaining to law enfor. about it because by then the horror was that this was accepted and routine policy.The S/Ws could also just send patrol cars over here so was as a good day when both things weren't happening at once.There are a lot of memories that just pop up over a situation that should never have happened.
It should be remembered that after Andy lost both parents and a grandson, the S/Ws still shut dwn this residency for any normal use for over five years, including really harassing Andy's children and grandchildren, and the same with any attempts at normal company, relatives or otherwise.Then it went to the Chief. After losing a favorite uncle and then Andy' brother, and while really grieving, a lot of money had to be paid to finally stop the S/Ws from continuing, which it didn't, as the Sett.Agree.was disregarded.
There has been no concern for the detrimental effects on this residency for the past decade, just protection and backup for the S/Ws to continue and be cleared. This will probably be discussed for some time as all of this was/is just too unacceptable by anyone's standards. The two visitor vehicles and John's vehicle were gone at 4:15P.M.There was no deliberate aggravation for that three hours.
Confusing Situation.2-2-10. 5:00 P.M.Confusing Situation.Unsettling.But this has felt like this a few times before. Mr.Starr has not been noticeable since1-29-10,Fri. afternoon when John yelled to him at the back sliding glass door about a TV program. Is Mr. Starr impaired or otherwise? It would be really very fitting that the last things heard were that really raunchy hour and a half of he and John complaining to that 'visitor' ,the extent of it really unnerving and throwing me for over a day. I also remember him loudly saying, 'If I should die,..."and the rest was not discernable, but it probably was not very good. If Mr.Starr is impaired or otherwise, it remains to be seen how much backup law enfor.will give Lori and John to continue this mess, but law enfor.has always given the S/Ws what they wanted until about a year after constantly emailing. John is very belligerent. Let's hope the intolerable 'cd technique' doesn't slowly start up. Or the rest.But, that is the easiest to start up.These situations should be handled in any way but discussing this, but since the S/Ws contolled this residency for so long, it is up in the air as to whether there will be more or less help from law enfor. to continue it. Please be reminded, this residency got absolutely no sympathy or help or support while really grieving, just more grief trying to stop this mess while doing that. This situation has never been fair. And right now,this residency's relatives are coping with a recent passing, illnesses,etc.,and will not visit here to get involved with being harassed or just the chance of it while coping with everything else. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
2-3-10.It is unclear what is happening/has happened next door.The 2-2 emails were written with the same perspective.There is no communication with anyone in the city except emails,the only thing that worked/works. There is no communication with the three closest residencies on 35 Ct. as there was no support while this residency fended off the S/Ws and their law enfor.and paid to try to stop them.N.E.28 Ave.and N.E. 35 St.had a larger turnover of owners and rentees and were more logical and complained, but to no avail as the S/Ws and their law enfor.were unstoppable and completely abnormal. The situatioin will probably remain in the hands and control of theWs and their law enfor. Let's hope the whole thing just doesn't slowly start up again, especially with that intolerable repetitive 'cd technique', one of the worst methods and one of the easiest to maintain. The Chief never should have let that repetitve 'cd technique' go on as routine for hours and hours almost daily for over a year with a Sett.Agree. to prevent it.That was the finalizing blow to ruin this residency, probably the point, and it worked. Who wanted to be blasted by 'Roll Out the Barrel' and 'The Theme from Heidi', in a foreign language, over and over and over for hours and hours almost daily for over six months,deliberately ,while the S/Ws gloated they could do it and simultaneously complained that they were being harassed if anyone 'looked' at them as excuse? Switching for over another six months to different volumed repetitive made cds,some the same 2-5 minutes for 30-45 minutes over and over was the same calculated harassment,with the same gloating and 'looking' complaint and excuse.The Sett.Agree. was composed with compounded fines to prevent repreats and by then, the accumulated fine total was astronomical, but the S/Ws had Chief protection.It could probably hypothetically be said that by now he is probably trying to say that N.E.35 Ct. is not part of LHP,it is in another country,and he never had anything to do with any of it.Not too far fetched. cc: blog,weg.All final editing done on the blog.2-03-10.11:A.M.Mr.Starr was just seen visible in his driveway loudly talking, discussing his upgraded red car.Back to basics.
2-4-10.Mr.Starr is staying elsewhere and is driving a different vehicle.This got confusing,1-29, evening, when Lori, noticeably audible, but not discernable, was really madly complaining but also stating in an almost dismayed way that,''he's gone!'',and Mr. Starr was not seen or heard in the next few days and he usually is.So it was thought that he could be impaired or otherwise, not that he could be elsewhere,as the S/Ws never went anywhere, not even for a few days.This 'otherwise' turned out to be Mr. Starr staying elsewhere, with a cleared approach and still capable of causing and starting up more trouble from somewhere else, the S/Ws' recent motive and attempt unnerving. Lori and John are still here,with a cleared approach and still capable of causing and starting up more trouble, besides in general just harassing if they want to.The 'Nothing happened' and 'Nothing written, nothing happened' policies should not have been used for a decade.These were the worst possible people to give all that backup, protection, and clearance to.
And especially with the 'Nothing happened.' and 'Nothing written,nothing happened.' in the over four years after the Sett.Agree.,the S/Ws are wide open and cleared to start up trouble again.
This residency does not want to have to fend off any more trouble from the S/Ws, and especially does not want to have to pay any more to fend it off, already having dealt with law enfor.'s belligerent and diligent decade of protecting and clearing the S/Ws with every lame excuse imaginable. This can't be stopped until something is done about law enfor.'s decade of protecting and clearing the S/Ws and helping them continue. This residency cannot stop this by itself. The S/Ws just got to much inexplicable backup.
It wouldn't be surprising if the S/Ws were saying and complaining to who knows what that Mr. Starr was 'harassed' into moving. and they probably expect someone in this city to back them up.Nice agenda record keeping. And again,it is not fair that they all have a have cleared approach to continue to cause trouble. Was anyone in this city involved in helping Mr. Starr 'leave'? As in, if you leave there won't be any reports for the Sett.Agree. violations?
Anyone 'new' assisting the S/Ws in doing who doing knows what, needs to check out the past decade. The website and blog will probably have to stay up for a long, long time. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
2-4-10.Mayor Schorr, It is not fair that the S/Ws have a cleared approach to start up more trouble. It isn't fair that they are no reports for the Sett.Agree. so the S/Ws won't have to face fines. It isn't fair that it is the decision by law enfor.and the Chief to constantly clear and protect the S/Ws. It isn't fair that this residency had to spend so much time and expense trying to stop all this while putting up with it all. If it wasn't for the website, blog, mailing the documents, and the continual emails, the harassment and stalking would probably still be going full force.
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http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary! Happy Upcoming Second Decade! audioweb,6-14-04, typical, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies
2-10-10.There might have been an issue made out of this so the facts are being kept straight and blogged.Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.violation process? If the S/Ws had been fined just once after the Sett.Agree., this might not have gone on for so long. It should have been stopped in less than a month and could have been stopped in a week.Nine years of this is a little too obvious.The last year when it was extensively used with a Sett.Agree. to stop and prevent it, was inexcusable by anyone's standards. Sent.2-8-10.This was not widely sent as the source was not definite and this was definitely stated NOT as a complaint, but as an awareness.The last complaint of this nature was definite with regard to source.Sent.2-8-10.I was sitting in this backyard close to the garage, the warmest part,and John came out to tun on the pool pump and saw me.insert date.Then he came back to go between the garages to the front to drive away.and left. There is a guitar base line,very quiet, repetitve tape,coming from the S.E..corner of the S/Ws' property where their studio apt. is, the same base lines on over and over in a pattern, about one half hour.This ran twice.I did actually go up to the interior fence to look,not a good idea,but after the third time,it went off and stayed off. The new rentees in the back of the S/Ws play music and someone plays a guitar usually in their house, this is all innocent,I'm sure that have no idea what happened here, and it does not seem they would just leave a repetitve tape running.Only Mr.Starr was home after John left.
This is not a complaint because it might have been from the neighbors in back of the S/Ws, and a complaint right now that the S/Ws were slowly starting that repetitive tape/cd technique up again would be a really big mess if it was wrong. But the repetitive nature is a standard of the S/W's' cd/tape technique. There is no way that is going to start slowly up again,as it is really intolerable, and it's too easy to maintain to harass. Again, this is NOT a complaint. It's off. But, it is an awareness. The S/Ws' mindset is very, very bad.They could resort to anything. They are worried about being fined for the violations which they did do. Re: 2-8-10. 2-10-10.The above mentioned tape is coming from the residency in back of the S/Ws', today, approx.3.P.M. with some added things to it as if they are trying to make a recording.They are new tenants, this is innocent, it is soft,and kept in the their house. It's important to keep things accurate, except law enfor.had continually tried to find any kind of flaw in any of this residency's complaints and had continually minimized the S/Ws' behavior, no matter how outrageous, and had continually minimized the big picture as a standard, covering and protecting the S/Ws, for still inexplicable reasons. Let's hope that is not done with this.with this.
There is still a reasonable fear that that intolerable 'cd technique' can just start up again, slowly,and it is an easy to maintain method to really harass.It is a violation of the Sett.Agree., which was to stop and prevent that. Nine years of blasting, made, deliberate, calculated, repetitve tapes and cds are something no one could tolerate and the last deliberate extensive use of it for over a year could have been stopped after one week. Please be reminded,in the last deliberate usage method, it was over six months of the blasted 'issue cd' over and over and the then different volumes of made repetitive cds,some the same 3-5 minutes over and over for 30-45 minutes for approx.six months.This has been explained and explained, and with over a year of emailing.Again, this is something no one could tolerate and would certainly be checking if it appeared to be starting up again, which the S/Ws did try to do for months,slowly. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
2-4-8,-10.The bottom line is, the S/Ws are cleared and protected to just start up more trouble, that last 'visitor' mess showing that's exactly what they plan to do.How much help they get to do is another story. The S/Ws' mindset is very, very bad.They could resort to anything. They are worried about being fined for the violations which they did do.
2-04-10.Approx.5P.M.'visitor situation'-about 1hr. Lori had been complaining, audible into this backyard, to someone on the phone previously,and then the 'visitor' showed up.But, no pumped up ramifications.
2-6-10.Approx,1:45P.M.Mr.Starr is back,in their backyard, yell talking on his cellphone, audible into this residency above the festivities in the park as to how he was noticed, and directly glaring at this resideny.He probably wanted to be heard and noticed. It must be nice to be so confident and protected.He doesn''t have the other car.He is driving his regular car.
It is still unclear as to what happened in the last week, especially with Mr.Starr, noticeable as it was audible into the back part of this house from his driveway, loudly announcing to the mailman that he had upgraded his vehicle to the red one and continuing to discuss it for some time as if it was a finished deal. But things being unclear is usually the case with this situation and when you do find out what happened, it's usually as bad or worse than not knowing. But there were a few nice days then when he wasn't visibly and audibly encouraging this mess and Lori and John don't need his added encouragement and patriarch protection as they do well enough alone.
Where's the reports for the four years of Sett.Agree.violations? Oh, that's right.The Chief had his own special way of dealing with the S/Ws and protecting them.This residency's concerns were not considered. Being that the S/Ws have been cleared with the 'Nothing happened.' 'Nothing written,nothing happened.' procedure, among others, especially after over four years of the disregarded Sett.Agree.,which they violated every part of, they are wide open to just start up trouble again.What's next? cc:web,blog
2-7-10.approx.7P.M.'visitor' situation.The S/Ws are moderatey pumped, noticeably 'yell talking' in their backyard, but nothing directed. After the last decade, and the recent 'visitor' mess, there is no misconception that new 'visitors', to be used for something, could be a problem.There never have been any normal type visitors or visiting situations. It always goes into trying to harass with backup, this one visitor lasting noticeably longer.
2-8-10.Why is Cmdr.M.Oh still salaried and expecting all the job benefits? That targeted outrageous S/Ws situation with law enforcement assistance for over five and one half years until it went to the Chief was/is beyond belief. Exactly how inept do you have to be until you can't be employed and financed in LHP anymore? It wasn't as if there was a simultaneous city program to financicially assist private residents to fend off really bad, made up, biased, selective, law enfor. policies.There is such a thing as being a little too obnoxiously unfair. cc:web.blog
The first five and one half years:Who advised Sgt.J.Vaccaro to do those, quite frankly,dumb things? The first five and one half years of the S/Ws situation were too ferocious. No residency could stand up to that. Sgt.J.Vaccaro's input was a disaster for this residency.Who was advising him to do that? The problem is the S/Ws come with law enfor.and the incompetent ones have all the protection and backup put in place to protect the good ones.
2-8-10.Reimbursement and damages: If there is a 'strapped for cash' or a city 'image' problem with insurance groups, perhaps Cmdr.M.Oh and the Chief could put a big bucket in front of the station and ask for donations. That way, taxpayers would know exactly where their money was going instead of the opposite situation for over a decade when taxpayers did not know thar their money was being spent spending all that time on the S/Ws and protecting them and helping them continue.
Although, it's not as though insurance groups don't already know and haven't been contacted about a pending problem. Also,when calling various law firms for advice and to complain to try to stop all this, one firm was called, without prior knowledge of its involvement, that explained it handled insurance issues for LHP. It doesn't seem as if any law firm would want to say anymore that it is alright what law enfor.did, such as they were just doing their job, or just protecting the city, the standard rhetoric, as the lack of protection and the over the top victimizing was too outrageous and lenghty.
It's really easy when everything is already paid for, for patrol cars to just roll out, service the S/Ws, and do all that. It's another thing to sort out everything after that.
And it's a little too easy and disgusting to have to pay up front to stop all this while putting up with it and then have to put up with sorting it all out.
And please be reminded, this residency already had the money. It could have been used for something. else, and this residency should have been able to have been used in a normal way for all the years.
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http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary! Happy Upcoming Second Decade! audioweb,6-14-04,typical,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies.
Note: Only one Attorney,who as standard does not work on contingency, was ever considered to be used, the one that resolved the Circuit Court case and handled the Sett.Agree. and sent the letter to the Mayor and then Commission President, as there would be no fear of just flipping the case for any goofy reason.
Contacting other firms was primarily to complain and to get the story out to try and stop all this, as even, as was demonstrated with everything throughout, with constant complaints for over five and one half years, a Circuirt Court case, over three years directing complaing to the Chief, a Sett.Agree., a website, a blog, mailing documents, and constant emailing, the S/Ws and their law enfor. continued, as if there would never be any ramifications. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog
2-8-10.Why is Cmdr.M.Oh still salaried and expecting all the job benefits? That targeted outrageous S/Ws situation with law enforcement assistance for over five and one half years until it went to the Chief was/is beyond belief. Exactly how inept do you have to be until you can't be employed and financed in LHP anymore? It wasn't as if there was a simultaneous city program to financicially assist private residents to fend off really bad, made up, biased, selective, law enfor. policies.There is such a thing as being a little too obnoxiously unfair. cc:web.blog
The first five and one half years:Who advised Sgt.J.Vaccaro to do those, quite frankly,dumb things? The first five and one half years of the S/Ws situation were too ferocious. No residency could stand up to that. Sgt.J.Vaccaro's input was a disaster for this residency.Who was advising him to do that? The problem is the S/Ws come with law enfor.and the incompetent ones have all the protection and backup put in place to protect the good ones.
2-9-10.Mayor Schorr, Please be reminded that damage control for this decade mess is not just simply clearing and protecting the S/Ws so they can just start up again,or approving the lame excuses law enfor. gave over this, or thinking this residency would just stop complaining about the expense and time put into this trying to stop it while putting up with it with the prospects of having to do more of it. None of the above should have happened. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
2-15-10. Why hasn't Sgt.J.Vaccaro beeen questioned about clearing? Who advised told him his job was to let the S/Ws keep harassing, trespassing, and stalking and to never stop it? This situation of, "Oh, I didn't know it was wrong." doesn't work as an excuse, then or now, unless there is someone who lets it be used over and over, as if there would never be any complaints or ramifications, and there have been and are plenty of those.
The standard 'in the past' method shouldn't be used as policy/excuse, as there was no assistance when things were 'in the present', and a Circuit Court Civil Case had to be filed for assistance and the ramifications are still being dealt with today. Into the second year of this, I told Det.Hawkins that this was police protected harassment and stalking, and he said,"There's no such thing!"
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http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary! Happy Upcoming Second Decade! audioweb,6-14-04, typical, Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies.
2-9-10.Mayor Schorr, Please be reminded that damage control for this decade mess is not just simply clearing and protecting the S/Ws so they can just start up again,or approving the lame excuses law enfor. gave over this, or thinking this residency would just stop complaining about the expense and time put into this trying to stop it while putting up with it with the prospects of having to do more of it. None of the above should have happened. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
2-12-10.Mayor Schorr, Please be reminded that this residency has all the life problems any other residency has, including two upcoming surgeries, one immediately, and this residency does not need to also put up with any more trouble caused by the S/Ws simply because they were/are protected and cleared by law enforcement. This residency also does not need to pay any more to try to stop both. cc: blog, web. All final editing done on the blog.
There is a horror in the realization that sociopaths are going to cause trouble giving it everything they can and are never going to stop. And there is a double horror in the realization that law enfor will assist, protect, and clear them, which they did for over a decade
2-20-10.2-19-10. Lori could be hard 'yell talking' in their front yard, noticable as it was audible into this backyard and house, that she thought I was 'planning something', as if she wanted people to hear. Someone yelled back,''Don't worry.I will let you know if anything is going on." I don't know who that was.We had been away for five days, first medical situation,one more trip for that,second medical situation to be done locally.
'Planning something' from this end usually meant trying to figure out how to stop the S/Ws and their law enfor. protection from harassing this residency into oblivion.
From the beginning. Trying to stop the S/Ws 'harassed' them.They didn't want that going on, and they listened for any complaining phone calls to anyone made from inside this house about what they were doing and they complained about that, and they had the backup to get patrol cars over here over that. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lia.era policies.I actually made a phone call from this sitting room porch, not about or mentioning the S/Ws, and a patrolman knocked on this door on a complaint from Lori that I was talking about her.I called Det.Hawkins asking him what was that all about and he got really mad and whined that what was the problem?, the ofc. just knocked on the door,he didn't do anything else, as if it was a normal occurance for patrolmen with patrol cars to be doing that. And it was. If the S/Ws wanted that. In LHP. For over a decade.
And they are cleared to just start up trouble again.
The only thing that worked/works is emailing.They are worried about being fined for the Sett.Agree. violations, and they violated every part of it.They will probably try to find or cause an incident as an excuse to try to get out of that, one of their methods after they've done things, but the violations are already done and can't be counteracted by that method, and it is just wasted trouble.
As far as the violations go,they can rest assured the Chief has not and will not ever let that happen, although clearing the law enfor.staff for clearing the S/Ws probably by now is running responsible people a little thin.Where were the responsible people when the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era policies ran everything?
The excuse,"The atty. told me/us to do that.''can be counteracted by the atty. saying,'Well,if you told me exactly what was really going on,I wouldn't have told you to do that.'' After a while, law firms will not be loyal to the truly obtuse.That's layman's terms.There is a legal way to explain that. cc: blog, web. All final editing done on the blog.
The lying and the clearing have to stop.
2-26-10.There needs to be a thorough examination of the decade clearing situation in LHP by an outside source.There is such a thing as being too obtusely unethical, simply because of having the power to belligerently do it. All the coverup techniques are without merit. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ click BLOG on the homepage.
This is not a complaint against anyone who may actually have tried to help in the last decade.2-26-10.There needs to be a thorough examination of the decade clearing situation in LHP by an outside source.There is such a thing as being too obtusely unethical, simply because of having the power to belligerently do it. All the coverup techniques are without merit. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ click BLOG on the homepage.
This is not a complaint against anyone who may actually have tried to help in the last decade.
2-27-10.The S/Ws' mindset is still bad, obvious, and determined and probably will never now change. We have been away, twice, medical, for days.There has been nothing really overt lately, just the general attitude displayed.
Please be reminded that this residency has all the life problems of any other residency and does not want to put up with any more trouble from the S/Ws, cleared and capable of causing more trouble.Thank you.
2-28-10.1P.M.I was sitting in this backyard close to this garage when I was really startled to hear Lori inside their house start fiercely screaming and banging, reminiscent of the intensity on the tapes.It hasn't been like that in that way for a awhile. But, we have been gone,medical, twice, for days so I don't know what happened then.This is not good, because for years and years when they got like that, they could go in and out, bang, scream at, and threaten this residency, while they were doing that with each other,as regular routine This did not at least last longer than 15 minutes.It was the intensity that was unnerving and wondering what would happen next.I did notice Lori, last evening, making growling noises at the dogs. There are more dogs in the neighborhood and they do bark at each other,but it is not excessive.This is reminiscent also of the early years when Lori would come out to make really loud growling and barking noises and complain that the dogs were bothering her/them. Lori was yelling something about it all being lies.I hope that wasn't in reference to this residency's complaints, but it probably was. Please be reminded that things were so outraegeously and unbelievably over the top with the S/Ws and their law enfor.,that there wasn't even any wiggle room for embellishment, and the point from the beginning was to present the facts to stop it. Although, the S/Ws did get their way a lot ,as method, by screaming so much people would just give in.Old story.
Again, the mindset is bad and the S/Ws are cleared to cause more trouble and probably are still trying to do that in some capacity now.If the emails, the only thing that worked/works weren't used, they would probably have someone helping them do that right now.cc:web.blog.All final editing done on the web.
3-1-10. The S/Ws situation does seem to bring out the worst in people.There are some subplots that just had to be ignored as dealing with the main big picture was too overwhelming and all consuming. However, the behavior of the Silvers, residency to the east of the S/Ws, particularly Mr.Silver's, is too irksome and confusing. Initially,the Silvers were very upset about it, particularly Mrs.Silver,as they couldn't use their yard, have company without worrying, the noise, horrific family fights,screaming, banging, the blasting especially the bongo tapes when Mrs.Silver had migraines, etc,.etc., the usual .This has already been blogged. insert dates.When it was known this residency had to pay to stop it, that's how it stayed. There were two things going on-the S/Ws directly targeting this residency and the S/Ws intolerable general behavior which had gone on for years before this residency was targeted.The Silvers backed off sometimes waving to us when they drove by and sometimes not. OK. The situation was obvious. We really were stuck with it.We had to pay for it,with quite frankly the Silvers flat out leaching off of us to do it and simultaneously protecting their residency.-I didn't use the term 'leach' until Mr.Silver's bevhavior.-Then Mr.Silver's behavior became juvenile and odd.There were already no thank yous, acknowledgements, or contacts.Mr Silver's route to relieve his dogs was the easement on the north side of this property.But he was starting to linger longer using and cutting diagonally across this property especially after dark. Ok.But he started playing up to and encouraging the S/Ws directly in front of this propery and directly in front of me and this was too much trouble.We already had enough trouble without his added encouragement. So I told him,standing at both my doors,that this wasn't the only easement or yard in the the city and to get another route for his dogs, at least three times,the last time telling him to talk to my atty. He stopped, tried to start it up again and I told him from this dining room window to stop I was floored,1-28-10,4:45P.M.,to see him try to start it up again and I told him from the dining room window not to.Why doesn't he just use the S/Ws' easement and yard and be friendly to them right in front of their residency? This isn't a game.This is a $30,000.00 time consuming yet unresolved mess.I don't know what would have happened if the Silvers had to pay for anything or hire an atty. to stop the problem.This is the last time for any blogging about this.There are bigger things to spend time on Let's hope the Silvers judge themselves accordingly. Note,added: The S/Ws were not outside,did not drive by, or converse with Mr.Silver this last time.It's imporant to keep things accurate.That just doesn't need to start up again right in front of this residency. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
3-1-10. Mr.Robin Thompson, LHP Code Enforcement Board
Re: Request for reimbursement and information
This is a request for reimbursement regarding the interior fence fiasco fine.
This situation has already been well documented in www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ and in the emails and the blog. Click BLOG on the homepage. Clearing the S/Ws and punishing this residency was beyond unethical. The excuse of things being 'in the past', when things 'in the present' were belligerently allowed to continue and cleared, does not suffice.Code enfor. and law enfor. worked/ work together.
This is also a request for reimbursement regarding the N.E.35 Ct. tree removal as the 'changing' property line excuse does not suffice.This has also been documented on the web,emails,and blog. This is also a repeated request for the information regarding the interior fence parts removal. Code enfor. Toni Palmieri's replys did not suffice.
As a former neighbor of the S/Ws, your problems with them are known in the years before this residency was targeted.Selling the residency to unaware buyers who had to put up with it and try to stop it was not a solution.Your son-in-law, Sgt.C.Oh, aware of the problems with the S/Ws since your problems with them, instrumental in setting up C.O.P.S.,of which you are an awarded participant, did not stop the problem. There are too many people in the inner workings of this city who thought clearing was a solution, when it was demonstrated over and over for a decade of the targeted years and the preceding years, that this does not stop sociopathic behavior. It only assists in continuing it.
Again,- the request of reimbursement and information.
There are proper channels for these types of endeavors. However, in LHP, all proper channels have already been deleted to proceed in continuing the problem.
It probably would not be a good idea to consult the Chief on this as his three year agenda dealing with and and clearing the S/Ws was as vapid as the preceding five and one half years of the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies of doing the same thing. If an atty. is consulted, it probably would be a good idea to tell the truth, as the policy of not telling the whole truth and saying actions were on the advice of attys. runs law firms a little thin who don't want to continually try to clear a bad decade situation that never should have happened when given only partial facts.Thank you.
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http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.Happy Upcoming Second Decade.audioweb,6-14-04,typical,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies.
Thank you.Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residency 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP.Fl. 33054 954-943-4386
3-2-10.Mayor Schorr,
AGAIN, this residency has all the life problems of any other residency, including medical,and does not need any more problems from the S/Ws' situation, the S/Ws cleared and capable of just starting up again.With the lower temperatures and the windows open, the S/Ws can be heard plotting again,they are loud people, which is only sightly less nauseating and horrifying than them, through all the years, yell announcing to this residency what they were going to do to this residency, and then doing it, with help. If it wasn't for the emailing, the only thing that worked/works, someone would be helping them. It is not clear what law enfor.and the city are doing about this situation, but from this residency's standpoint, it is still more or less like working out of a foxhole, trying to fend off trouble before it starts.
None of this should have happened.
Thank you.
3-4-10.Despite the glowing reports in LHP Commissioner Sandy Johnson's column,Sandy on Society, Deerfield Observer 3-4-10, the following email remains relevent.Good PR doesn't hide anything.2-26-10.There needs to be a thorough examination of the decade clearing situation in LHP by an outside source.There is such a thing as being too obtusely unethical, simply because of having the power to belligerently do it. All the coverup techniques are without merit. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ click BLOG on the homepage.
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http://www.aseahorse1.blogspot.com/ All final editing done on the blog. "The extent of the harassment and stalking is directly related to and controlled by law enfor.policy." That was expressed in or before 2001. insert date.The targeted harassment and stalking started Dec.99. Happy Decade Anniversary.Happy Upcoming Second Decade.audioweb,6-14-04,typical,Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias.era policies.
Thank you.Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residency 3540 N.E.28 Ave.LHP.Fl. 33054 954-943-4386
3-7-10.Approx.11P.M.Lori, John, and Mr.Starr comes out to clean the pool pump and stay right up to the interior fence and 'yell talk' for over 30 minutes.I was sitting in this backyard by the garage and just went into this house.Lori was complaining about how she didn't like being in their backyard and would rather be in Irag. It must be nice to be so confident, protected, and cleared for over a decade. And such a pleasant reinforced mindset.They came back put to 'yell talk' louder for about 20 minutes,but stayed close to Lori's studio apt.
3-10-10.Approx.11AM.I noticed Mr.Starr trimming some bushes at the interior gate.That is close to where I generally sit. I did look, as the S/Ws throw garbage here and when Mr.Starr trimmed, he would throw the cut pieces over here, even when the six foot shadowbox fence was up,over it.And, I just picked up that area. The Sett.Agree.does say to avoid speaking to at all times except in a true emergency, which was to stop the routine and regular verbal,at all volumes,harassment,which was violated from the beginning. Mr.Starr saw me looking and said,"What are you looking at?Theses bushes are on my side,you creep!" So,I went into the house.This was new now, it hasn't been done for a long time,-direct speaking contact.
This can of course be minimized down to nothing,-IF, THE PRECEDING DECADE HADN'T TAKEN PLACE, but it did.- And that's why the Sett.Agree.was necessary, due to the over the top behavior,and as was said, was violated from the beginning. Mr Starr and all the S/Ws have always been confident they had law enfor.protection and clearing and gloated over it.
It is hoped the S/Ws don't start up direct insults.
They tried for years and years to get anyone over here into a two party confrontation.That situation was intolerable by anyone's standards.
Again, this can be minimized, ......but not really.The mindset is still really bad.The S/Ws never should have gotten a decade of reinforcement. Where's the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations?They violated every part of it. At least the S/Ws didn't get patrol cars here saying it harassd them that I 'looked'.The mindset is bad.To be continued.cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog
3-11-10.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the past decade. Is there a report for the 3-10-10 incident, a Sett.Agree.violation, page 3, #4, C.)? Mr Starr more than likely said he did it and more than likely complained about being 'looked at'. The S/Ws made/make a lot of loud cell phone calls to law enfor.,from their backyard, probably intent on being heard, expressing bravado about their control and backup.
The S/Ws, cleared and intent on causing more trouble, are still probably calling in and if it wasn't for the emails, the only thing that worked/works, they would probably be getting someone to help them.
The Chief probably wouldn't mind if that report was done because it would look as if the S/Ws really weren't doing anything all that wrong and the complainee would just look like a crank, This method was tried and used from the beginning, Hawkins/Oh/Com/Lias.era policies, to clear the S/Ws, except after the website went up,07,with the over 20 hours of screaming, banging, threatening, etc.,etc.tapes, which law enfor. already had, it was explained as being 'in the past' and then the current incidents after that were still eventially explained as being 'in the past'.
During the height of that intolerable over year long repetitive cd technique, a violation, the Chief said to use the 'clanging dish' incident as the report for the Sett.Agree.volations process.
The Chief was directly complained to from spring 05 until 10-08 and then there was no more contact. Then, it was the emails,the only thing that worked/works.He probably thought it was his job to try to minimize the whole thing and try to just make it go away, and it probably was.
Where are the reports for the Sett/agree.violations process? For the over year long repetitive cd technique? For the trespassing and trespassing with harassing until the mesh fence was put up between the garages? For lying to law enfor.? For yelling, harassing,and theatening? For throwing that 18ft.6ft. fence piece into this yard and just leaving it there? Etc.,etc.? The S/Ws violated every part of that and gloated that they could and would.
The S/Ws have been cleared for a decade and can just start up as if they never did anything wrong. And this residency is supposed to be the money pit to stop it. cc: web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
3-17-10. Where are the reports for the Sett.Agree.violations process? For the over year long repetitive cd technique? For the trespassing and trespassing with harassing until the mesh fence was put up between the garages? For lying to law enfor.? For yelling, harassing,and theatening? For throwing that 18ft.6ft. fence piece into this yard and just leaving it there? Etc.,etc.? The S/Ws violated every part of that Sett.Agree. and gloated that they could and would. The S/Ws have been cleared for a decade and can just start up as if they never did anything wrong. And this residency is supposed to be the money pit to stop it. cc: web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
It appears that law enfor. has to keep clearing the S/Ws to keep themselves cleared for the last decade plus. All the S/Ws have to say is law enfor. let them do it and the blame goes onto law enfor.This probably isn't anything the S/Ws don't already know. cc: web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
3-19-10.Mayor Schorr, Please be reminded that Law Enforcement and the City's unmitigated gall in expecting a private residency to spend over $30,000.00 to try to use a residency normally, has not been accepted by this residency.There is such a thing as being a little too vapid in calculating a residency's accepted response in a 'solution' situation such as this.Thank you.
3-23-10.There might be someone here for a couple of days to do some work around this house. For the past decade, whenever this person showed up,the S/Ws would immediately start complaining he was harassing them, just for being on the property.There hasn't been anyone here for a long time and this work is necessary. Let's hope this situation goes without the S/Ws' usual directed visitor harassment, or without their usual -if someone is here, it is harassment, and they want backup.
4-07-10.This is not a complaint against anyone who may have actually tried to help in the last decade. 4-07-10.There hasn't been emailing lately. The internet was down for over five days with a change of service and technical difficulties, and then we were out of town. Before that we did have that person here for days to help. We did not use the backyard or pool area as the S/Ws never wanted him or us out there. He has been coming here from way back when he visited Andy's parents and the S/Ws just moved in, and he knows the full scope of the S/Ws' control. He has been really targeted. Lori and Mr.Starr did come out into their backyard to 'yell talk',4-30-10,4:30 P.M.,for some time, Lori's typical complaint being they were the victims and everything was our fault. Bad mindset. Reinforced bad mindset. Luckily,he was running errands and didn't hear it, as he could just leave and nothing would get done. The last person here before him was a lawn service, when the S/Ws came out to 'mimic bang',blogged,insert date.
Absolutely no one will come here. Everyone has a memory incident. One memory which recently resurfaced, was when a then eight year old granddaughter was trying to play in the pool and Lori came out again to rant, bang, etc.,etc., and the granddaughter called to her mother who was here and there was nothing either of us could do as the S/Ws had that 'special' protection, even if the children were targeted and taunted. Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. era policies. That targeting and taunting continued even through 08 when the grandchildren were trying to use the pool and Lori would come out restarting over and over that intolerable blasting repetitive cd technique, announcing, "I hope I'm not breaking up your party!" The Sett.Agree. was to prevent that. If it wasn't for the emailing, the only thing that worked/works, someone would still be helping the S/Ws to continue. The reinforced mindset is still bad, and the S/Ws are cleared to just start up again.
The S/Ws and law enfor. should be proud of their finished product, and the city should be proud of the ability to keep incompetents salaried, including the Chief, who had that special 'carnival huskster' explanation ability to keep things cleared and everyone protected.
There should have been a provision in the new law enfor./city contract that, above all, the S/Ws and their law enfor. remain protected and cleared, and anyone opposing it pays out of pocket. This probably already is an 'understood' condition if you want to work here. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog. Note: The standard method has been to protect the S/Ws and their law enfor.and to find a flaw in any of this residency's complaints, no matter how picky or irrelvent to the big picture. The 'flaw' in the 4-07-10 email will be that there seems to be lack of understanding in what a contract involves. There is no lack of understanding in what a contract really involves. And, there is no lack of understanding with the big picture. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
4/19/10 Re: Lighthouse Point Commissioner Chip La Marca's agenda to expand his career. Candidate for County Commissioner.
LHP Commissioner Chip La Marca should reassess his intent as this position requires a certain amount of substance. Anyone with an inability to effectively handle a decade scandal in a small city should not be entrusted with the larger scope responsibilities of a county commissioner. Seewww.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 2008,09,10 updates. Specific email 9-02-09, repeated below. Commissioner La Marca should just stay home where he can remain largely ineffective in a small area. And, he definitely should not use the , '... as I listen to citizens expressing their concerns......' approach again. LHP should be investigated for over a decade of clearing. No one should have the pull to continue to gloss over this. Thank you Gail Pfistner/Dullenkopf residence 3540 N.E. 28 Ave.LHP 33064 954-943-4386 cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
This 9-02-09 sent email, when taken out of context from the blog emails, may appear glib, but is factually based.
9-02-09 This is not meant as a complaint against anyone, Commissioner, etc., who may have actually tried to help. 9-02-09 Re:'LHP News'. Now,'The Light, LHP News and Beyond', Sept - Oct 2009. 'Commissioners Corner'. 'There is No Substitiute for Good Government' by Commissioner Chip LaMarca. Point:A good city commission is one that does not infight. This bland, safe, almost substanceless article is not surprising and as an attempt at good city PR, a stretch.
As former Commission President, more time should have been spent paying attention to the law enfor. mess for years and years in this city than in actively endorsing and campaigning, Broward campaign head, for the sitting sheriff's position, especially while this intense law enfor. protected harassment and stalking situation was still going on here. He was sent and received all the emails, the only avenue for assistance, now blogged, for all of 2008, starting at the beginning of 2008.
It is not exactly tenable to ask the sheriff's dept. for help with a small town law enfor. problem while the Commission President of the small town is actively campaingning for the sitting head sheriff, and asking was not done, then or yet.
Though not the most relevant or strongest subplot in this whole mess, putting up with that intolerable, extensive, expensive situation after years, while this was being done, is not a very amusing dichotomy.
Again while not the most relevant or intense subplot in this entire situation, it has been looming for months to address this dichotomy.
This overall situation has not been resolved. Thank you.
Please note, this commissioner entered this political career by defeating then Commissioner M.C. Wiess, who in a left field kind of way, tried to challenge Cmdr. M. Oh. In this city, Cmdr. M. Oh still does not get challanged. Thank you.
Please be reminded, Chief Licata told me, 9-10-08, that if I wanted help, to go to the sheriff's dept. See email 9-10-08. cc:LHP News, www.lighhousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage. All final editing done on the blog. Added: See email,1-19-10, further explanation. Added: See email, 12-02-08, discussion of Settlement Agreement,repeated 8-10-09.
5-03-10.Mayor Schorr, Is Larry Hawkins still salaried? I haven't had any contact since 10-08, except the emailings, the only thing that finally worked/works.It was very surprising to see him in the Deerfield Observer, 4-29-10, pg.9, in uniform.
Throughout the early years of all this, good PR for himself had been a Hawkin's mainstay, particularly with the Observer. After the first horrific five and a half years of all this, when the first Commissioner, Sandy Johnson, was approached for help with the over five years of tapes, now on the website, Det.Hawkins got immediate coverage,'Tell it like it is!',LHP Mag., pg10, June 05, talking about his 'humanity'. Who arranged this? There were no other officers included. Note: The Top Ten List-Det.Hawkins is on the blog, email 12-17-09.
In the ninth year of all this, emails had to be sent to over 30 people for over a year to get all this to stop, while simultaneously dealing with that intolerable, blasting, deliberate, repetitive cd/noise technique, a Sett.Agree.violation since 11-05, and while dealing with the other things.
In the tenth year. emails had to be sent to over 30 people for over a year to stop all the attempts at continuing all this and it slowly just starting up all over.
LHP does have its way of protecting the S/Ws and keeping people salaried who protect and clear them and themselves. A whitewash approach was/is always expected.
There has been no concern for the detrimental effects on this residency.There are better ways to spend all that time and money than trying to stop all this while putting up with it. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog. All infor. by this sender is sent by direct emailing and recognized blogging on one blog. There are no anonymous comments on any other format.This website and blog were set up for help. The mindset is still bad. This web and blog will probably have to remain for a long time for protection, referral, and prevention. Note: In the ninth year of all this, besides the website, blog, and emailings, about two dozen packets of documents, including the Sett.Agree., were mailed out, many to law enfor. and patrolmen, to stop the misinformation. This was a lot of work.This whole thing should have been settled in a maximum of six months. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
5-7-10.Can potential County Commissioner candidate, LHP Commissioner, Chip LaMarca, make a statement about the decade situation in LHP? Both the Republican and Democrat Broward Committies aware of this may appreciate a statement.
Both Commissioner C. LaMarca and Chief Licata have standard formats in 'The Light,Etc.' Perhaps 'The Light,Etc.' could arrange a statement being made. In the May/June 2010 issue of 'The Light,Etc.', Commissioner LaMarca, full first page, 'It's Time To clean It Up!', does close with, "As always, I remain accessible to all residents so please contact me if you have any questions. Thank you for the honor to serve." cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
5-10-10.The Silvers, bordering east of the S/Ws, put up a fence extending from their backyard interior fence, between their structure and the S/Ws' structure and on the other side. There was not a series of harassing patrol car visits against the Silvers to try to make them stop. The workers were not harassed or blasted with made repetitive cds. A patrol car, Lara Tyler?, circled the block while the work was being done.
What a difference between the Silvers putting up a fence between their structure and the S/Ws' structure and this residency trying to put up a fence between this structure and and the S/Ws structure in the way things were handled. insert email dates. The Chief probably will have a goofy whitewash explanation for the difference in the way things were handled. This fence situation is not to be confused with this interior backyard fence fiasco which was much much worse. insert email dates.The Chief already has given goofy whitewash explanations for the way all that was handled.
Complaining is still precarious. The S/Ws have been covered and could just start up all over again. The mindset is still bad and determined. That intolerable, repetitive noise/cd technique, a Sett.Agree. violation since 11-05, was/is good leverage. There is still no company. Everyone was harassed. That noise/cd technique in general and as revenge for having visible company was/is a clever deterent from trying.
LHP Commissioner Chip LaMarca's, "It's Time To clean it Up!", is a slogan probably never considered by local law enfor. superiors. "It's Time To Cover It Up!", is better suited. There should be a cautionary note about extending anyone with an oblivious style into a wider range of control. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the web. www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for the 08,09,10 updates.
5-11-10.Mayor F. Schorr, Please be reminded, the S/Ws are very determined. And so is their law enfor. And so are certain members of the city.The main objective should not be how to stop the complainee. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
5-18-10. Mr.J.Lavisky, Mayor F. Schorr, Is there a possibility of reimbursement and damages without a lenghty, filed lawsuit? The only attorney trusted not to flip this does not work on contingency. The resources are obviously there to counteract on technicalities, but this is at taxpayers' expense. This is not really an oversimplification explanation of the situation.
It was never fair by anyone's standards that this residency had to pay all that and spend all that time to try to stop all this while putting up with all of it. The problems and ramifications with this will probably never be over. Thank you.
5-19-10.Re:email 5-18-10. Please be reminded, there was a legitimate legal window left open for this, but it was disregarded along with the Sett.Agree., and the situation continued instead of stopping. The Atty.E.Bruce Johnson reply just aided the S/Ws and their law enfor. in continuing. See emails and documents. Let's hope the counteraction to this discussion/question is not to criticize the complainee for discussing it. The complainee has not been the double talking, cover up, etc. party to all this. cc: web,blog. All final editing done on the web.
5-20-10.LHP Commissioner C. LaMarca announces his candidacy for County Commissioner, talking about 'cleaning up the swamp' and how he listens and talks to residents about their concerns. Who writes his material? Perhaps the campaign slogan could be, "Vote for me. I'm high end oblivious!" There is something rather odd about anyone running as a 'Mr.Clean' with no qualifications from a small city with large baggage. Again, a cautionary note about extending anyone with an oblivious style into a larger range of responsibility and control. If there is a problem needing action, it's important to at least 'know' about it even if it is another branch's responsibility.Was there a pre entry whitewash investgation about his city, clearing everything on paper, so he could refer to that if asked about it? cc: web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
5-24-10.The S/Ws have been noticably very angry for days storming between their two residencies, slamming doors, angry tones and complaints, and angry glares. Unnerving mindset. Perhaps with the La Marca candidacy, the S/Ws' importance and antics can be minimized and there wouldn't have to be so much emailing to keep the whole thing from just starting up again. Neck, disc, surgery, complicated by a sensitivity to medications is necessary, early June,and putting up with any problems from the S/Ws and emailing to counteract it then is not a desired option. There are more emails, some lenghty, to be blogged but there has been a problem pasting into this blog which requires double typing. This whole thing has already been too much work, too much really unnecessary work. cc:weg,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
5-25-10.Re:Current Reports.The Sett.Agree./Injunction to stop and prevent the S/Ws, disregarded by LHP, no explanation given, required a lot of work and upkeep just to remind anyone it was there. It took a year of emailing and sending documents, all of 08, to stop that intolerable, deliberate, repetitive, made cd technique while putting up with it. It took a year of emailing ,09,to stop the S/Ws from just starting up all over again. This was/is a lot of work after spending a lot of money. The Sett.Agree. is solely for this residency. If this residency were to be vacated for 3-4 months, it would be up to others to do this and perhaps others wouldn't be so prone to play up to the S/Ws and their law enfor. if they actually had to pay or do something, although playing up has been easier as the S/Ws and their law enfor. were/are formidable and someone else was paying and doing all the work . It would probably slowly start up with the cd technique with the S/Ws taunting that it couldn't be stopped and then progress.
If there are current reports that everything has been and is fine in this neighborhood, please be reminded that it is from a lot of expense and work from this residency, still currently happening, which everyone benefits from. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
6-10-10.The S/Ws' mindset is still bad and unnerving, just not lately so much overt outside bravado, just very short spurts.
6-10-10.Surgey and then E.R.hospital admitance,FS-AF,went ok.However, the stress question keeps coming up, which would rather be avoided, than reliving it for discussion. Finally, the website and blog were just given. They were set up for, among other things, referral, so the situation would not have to be told over and over,not necessarily thinking at the time, it would be for this. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
10-10.Re: Trischitta article. Sun Sentinel.June 9,10.local B.Page 1. Cmdr.M.Oh. Chief Licata. That reporter had called after the LaMarca announcement, dismissing the decade situation as a 'noise' problem which 'was not currently happening', so basically, no problem. Where did she get that idea? At least the GOP didn't try an easy brushoff. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog . 6-16-10 to be posted.
6-21-10.The mindset is still bad and unnerving. Mr.Starr and Lori sat in their backyard yesterday for sometime with Lori 'yell talking' about how it wasn't their/her fault, they/she shouldn't be blamed, it is all a misunderstanding,etc, the general. Law enfor. should not have propped up, protected, and reinforced the S/Ws. They should have stopped this within six months. The S/Ws keep the approx. five feet of bushes and schrubs on their property between the garages cleared and John still enters and exits there instead of on the now cleared east side of their property. It is still unclear how they just got to take three to four feet of this residency's property between the garages extending out to 35th Ct., use it as theirs, and trespass, harass, stalk, threaten, taunt, and scream at this residency for hours, as routine, etc., there and times even extending and trepassing more onto this property to harass and stalk, along with their horrific family fights entering and exiting there, for over six years, with protection. As explained, a regular fence wasn't put there as they could just bang on it as routine as they did with the backyard interior fence. It was hard enough trying to put up the mesh fence to keep them out, 06, after the Sett.Agree. as they just didn't want to give up the property they had just basically stolen. Again, the reinforced mindset is still unnerving, bad, and determined. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
6-16-10. Mrs.Roberta Backus Turner, 'The Light,Etc.',a competitive businesswoman, will probably try to endorse the LHP Commissioner C.LaMara "Win With Oblivion!" campaign and will probably try to gloss over the lack of qualifications. Both Commissioner LaMarca and Chief Licata have standard columns in her publication. She has dismissed the emails as absurd, never acknowledging that emailing for years to stop a runaway Chief, law enfor.,etc., as the only avenue, asking for help, is absurd. Neither did Commissioner LaMarca who was sent the emails from the beginning asking for help. Perhaps the S/Ws could endorse Commissioner LaMarca and spend months riding around campaign headquarters on the wrong side of the road giving everyone the finger.Commissioner LaMarca could just not 'notice' it.
One ironic and more than likely unintentional side effect of the LaMarca, 'Everyone else clean up their swamp campaign' is that there was a little bit of cleaning up in LHP and the S/Ws have been noticably lately more controlled, the notion probably being that if things are kept under control until the election, it might look as if nothing ever happened here.
This rest period, the LaMarca campaign, is still acknowledged as very appreciated.
However, with election results rather dubious, the city could just let the S/Ws loose again, before or after the election, that leverage apparent to stop the complaints about the decade mess while it was still intensely going on and while trying to stop it.
The S/Ws were/are loud talkers and plotters. For years, they would yell and scream what they were going to do and then do it with backup. That pattern reinforced for years is a hard patten to break.The S/Ws have been cleared to just start up again and are more than likely trying to do it now, except it wouldn't be a good idea to help them while LaMarca is running. The reinforced mindset is still bad and determined. There needs to be outside help to control this. This help should be asked for now. The Circuit Court injunction was disregarded. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog. www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage.
6-22-10.Mr.J.Lavisky, Please be reminded, again, that the S/Ws have been protected, covered, and cleared, and are very capable of starting up again. This residency does not want any more trouble from them or from the ramifications from the inept and devious way this decade was handled. Whitewashes didn't and won't solve the problem with them. This should have been handled within the first six months.Thank you. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
6-23-10.There has been no direct contact since 10-08, check dates, when a LHP officer, Chief Licata, and Mr.J.Lavisky were spoken to by phone. The emailing started 1-08 and continued, the only thing that worked/works. It is not known what anyone in the city is actually doing. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
6-23-10.sent after blogging email below. LHP magazine. Re:Politics. Of course, all things being fair, candidate LaMarca and C.O.P. event recognition are given space. All things being fair, can candidate LaMarca and C.O.P. explain why there was no help for this residency for a decade?Thank you. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
6-23-10.LHP Commissioner and County Commissioner candidate, C. LaMarca, got some space in the July/August issue of LHP magazine, pg.73, 'Government Must Get Its Priorities in Order', expounding on public safety priorities, "The main purpose of govt. is to provide for public safety." He also got his picture taken, pg.20, with LHP C.O.P. at their annual recognition event. The situation with C.O.P. has already been expounded on in this blog, insert dates, founders, members, no help for this residency, etc., so at present, no comment. cc:web, blog.All final editing done on the blog.
6-29-10.sent. If anyone is complaining about the emails, the only thing that worked/works, please be reminded that it has only been going on for 2 and1/2 yrs. and the directed harassing and stalking went on for over ten. It is not as if patrolcars are pulling up to tell people they have to read the emails. If anyone is annoyed that this residency dared to suggest reimbursement and damages, please be reminded that law enfor. is salaried and a private residency had to pay out of pocket to try to stop the S/Ws and their law enfor. These are situations that anyone annoyed with the above two issues would not have wanted to have put up with themselves. Thank you. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the web.
6-29-10.sent. clamarca@lighthousepoint.com
LHP Commissioner and candidate for County Commissioner, C. LaMarca, Being as claimed, accessible and aware, when will you address the decade harassing and stalking situation in LHP? Thank you. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
6-30-10.The reinforced mindset remains. I've been able to use the pool in the afternoon without harassment. Andy and Andy and I have been able to use the pool in the evening. We have even started to and been able to talk while in the pool. This is something everyone else has always had. Not to last. Last evening, 6-29-10, Andy and I were in the pool talking longer than usual. Another close family death, out of state memorial service, a lot of plannng. Lori as routine goes back and forth between their two bldgs. slamming both doors at all times.. There was so much yelling and 'loud talking', bravado, approx. 11P.M. from the S/Ws' backyard very noticable and audible into this residency that I did go outside to look. Lori and John were in their pool nearer to the deeper end closer to this residency 'yell talking' very loudly. That went on for over an hour. The bravado remains. It was deliberate. Taking this incident our of context, it could appear crank to bring it up. This was was a used incident to 'mimic' as we had been talking more than usual earlier in our pool.
The mindset, still bad and determined, is what is so unnerving. The S/Ws never miss an opportunity to exibit it.The incidents are no longer the horrific hours of law enfor. protected harassment and stalking. The mindset remains, ready. If the S/Ws could, they would and the city can just let them, good leverage, mad because this residency dared to complain about the decade. Maybe instead of uniforms, Hawkins/Oh/Licata can wear T shirts with the S/Ws' picture on them with the caption, 'We worked and covered for you!' That letter the Chief sent me during the height of that blasting made repetitve cd technique after the Sett.Agree. to prevent it should be in the manual as how not to handle harassment and stalking. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-2-10 Re: S/Ws' continuing mindset. The S/Ws were in their backyard and pool this afternoon complaining on and off for over two hours, not 'yell talking' but loud talking, audible into this backyard and sitting room porch even with their A.C. pumping and their pool pump on. It would have been difficult to use this pool because who wants to hear that after having to put up with them for a decade, and with them gloating they could? It was probably deliberate.
This mindset is still very unnerving. The got and did everything they wanted with law enfor. protection and clearing for a decade. And they are cleared to just continue. With a result and a product like this still loomimg to cause trouble,there should be some sort of investigation into misuse of law enfor. power for over a decade. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-17-10.Re: S/Ws' continuing mindset. Noon.We have been away for eight days.Today, Andy and I were walking out to use this pool when Mr.Starr and Lori came out, directly faced this residency and started some soft complaining audible into this backyard. Then Mr.Starr went inside and Lori stayed out facing this residency turning the volume up and down on some musical device, audible into this backyard as to how it was noticed.
IF THIS WAS MEANT TO TAUNT, IT DID!
Nobody who ever had to put up with the S/Ws' deliberate cd/noise repetitive technique for years while they gloated they could do it even with a injunction to stop and prevent it, would want to hear even five minutes of it, let alone worrying about it just stating up all over again! It was never just about playing music. We stayed inside. We'll try to go out later.
Please be reminded, the S/Wws started out in Dec.99 with made tapes, a radio on static, and a clown horn to harass.
This is a slippery slope.The city could just let them loose again as leverage.
This probably was an attempt to taunt, annoy, and to cause a reaction, such as complaining so they could say they weren't really doing anything that bad.
THAT SLIPPERY SLOPE CD/NOISE MAKER, REPETITIVE ,DELIBERATE TECHNIQUE IS NOT GOING TO START UP AGAIN EVEN IF THE CHIEF AND OFC.HAWKINS SIT IN THE S/WS' BACKYARD WITH IT. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
7-17-10.Approx.1:15P.M.Andy and I tried to use the pool. Lori,John, and Mr.Starr immediately came out and stated 'yell talking' keeping it up for a solid 45 minutes, although not complaining about this residency or about being victimized. By then we were getting out of the pool and backyard anyway, enough is enugh, and it stopped.
This was deliberate and obvious.Taken out of context, this might seem crank, but unnerving bad mindset is still unnerving bad reinforced mindset, especially after the past decade.
Where's the reports for the harassing, stalking, trespassing, blasting, etc.,etc., Violations for the years after the Sett. Agree.? Oh, that's right, the S/Ws got/get covered and cleared for everything to just start up again.
Now, exactly where is that swamp that candidate and LHP Commissioner C. LaMarca says that others have to clean up? cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-19-10.Re:S/Ws'mindset.7-18-10.Approx.1P.M. Lori and Mr.Starr come out into their backyard to stare at this residency and really 'yell talk' complaining they are the victims, audible into this backyard and sitting room porch, and something about, 'it's because of that as-----!'
There is some soft music on and off which went off when I walked to the south side of this house to our pool pump. Lori 'yell talks' that she can play music if it is not too loud.
It was never just about playing music. She can just make a repetitive cd and 'forget' to bring it inside and then continue with more, which she really wants to do and will do until it is intolerable harassment again, the point. Note:not verified or stated as fact:It seems as if something very faint,music, has been left on outside with no one outside, which is not from the rentees bordering the S/Ws. If it becomes repetitive, then it will be more apparent.There has always been the point to show they can and will do something. And they certainly had the backup.
Who is advising them? The same people who let them do all that before and covered and cleared them? Mr. Starr seems a little more leary about her starting up the music/noise thing as he knows he escaped a lot of liens by being proteced by the Chief. He spent a lot of time really yelling and complaining on his phone that he was going to be liened for a lot of money. It's not as if he didn't know that they, immediately and for years, were violating the Sett. Agree., a valid document. But, the S/W are used to special law enfor. treatment, and they do get it, right from the Chief. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
On 6-8-10,I drove myself to the E.R. and had to be admitted. An ambulence wasn't called because that involves a patrolcar, and the last thing needed then was to be unlucky enough to have to see and hear another misinformed, lying LHP officer possibly dicussing this mess, which in that condition was intolerable and could have caused a worse problem. A wierd thing to have to consider in that condition, but there has been no sensitivity toward this residency in very stressful situations, just the opposite, making it worse.
It is still amazing how the S/Ws got so much control over the LHPPD and the City. But that goes back to the very beginning when the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias. policies were put into effect covering and clearing the S/Ws.
The extent of the meanness for the past decade cannot be underrated, full force from the S/Ws and juvenile belligerence from law enfor., nothing anyone would ever want to be the recipient of. There was a firm decision from the beginning that this residency, with all its history and sentimental value, would not be sold, no matter how bad the pounding got and it got really bad. and this residency could not be leased out under those aggressive routine conditions. No one wants to be told by people like that that they can and will make you move, but no one really expected their law enfor. backup and protection to do it.
There has been some appreciated relief from the lesser harassment, with an election focusing on the inner workings of LHP, but the whole thing could just start up again.
Both the S/Ws and the Chief have made it very clear that they are going to do what they want and will not put up with any criticism. The reinforced mindset is still bad, unnerving, and determined. The Chief should not have spent so many years and so much time covering and clearing the S/Ws and their law enfor., especially after the first horrific five and one half years of doing that. There needs to be an outside source for this situation, but law enfor. and the city have made it clear they will disregard a Circuit Court Injunction/Sett.Agree. to stop the S/Ws. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the web.
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7-17-10. How and why did Ofc. Larry Hawkins become reemployed in LHP, especially after the horrific first five and a half years before the situation went to the Chief who continued to cover and clear the S/Ws and the Ofcs. who covered and cleared them in the years before? As he is very adept at PR, image, awards-two are Ofc. of the Year for helping to set up C.O.P. and the Keeper Days' award in 09 for 08-and adept at self presevation and holding onto a position, perhaps he could become the spokesperson for the LaMarca campaign in explaining the decade harassing and stalking situation. At this point, the G.O.P. probably wouldn't be the least bit surprised if LHP suggested something like that. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-19-10. There has been a continual problem pasting into this blog. There are more sent emails to be posted here.Thank you. 7-21-10.Mostly done but need to be put in better order.
"Clean Up the Swamp!'
"Somebody Else Spend $30,000.00!"
7-20-10.Besides trespassing on the north side and inbetween the garages, using 35th Ct., and standing right up to the interior backyard fence to harass, stalk ,threaten, and to drive everyone off this property, the S/Ws also continued to scream at, threaten, and blast from inside their main house with the windows and sliding glass doors open as this was considered a safe haven to do it by the LHPPD, although any place they did it as ok. The S/Ws could try to continue the repetitive cd/noise technique from inside that main house except it is too hot to keep a window or sliding glass door open now.
This textbook sociopathic drive to harass, stalk, and flat out torture, was never considered the problem by the LHPPD. The solution was to find flaws with this residency trying to stop it no matter how picky or irrlevent.
In the eight days away, memorial service,etc., it was pretty well accepted there would be a lot of work upon returning to keep this law enforcement reinforced drive back down. The long term ramifications of trying to keep this law enforcement reinforced drive down have not yet been realized, but it is still a lot of work. It has been strange taking up all this time and paying to do that while others still play up to the S/Ws and law enfor. However, it is never good to be in any type of adversarial position with bad law enfor. as they have all the money and power to continue, put in place to protect good law enfor., and they can continue to issue generic statements to clear themselves. Just ask Ofc .Hawkins, Cmdr. M.Oh, and the Chief, who are still getting paid to do just that.
It is very strange that the LaMarca campaign would try to use 'the most important function of govt. is public safety'. LHP Commissioner C.LaMarca had plenty of time to do something about this in his own small city, being made aware of this problem over and over. A decade is a decade.
Again there is cautionary note about extending anyone with this oblivious style into a wider range of responsibility. If there is a problem, he could just hypothetically fib or lie and say he didn't know anything about it. This may work in a small city but could result in large problems with the bigger issues of a county. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
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7-20-10.Mayor F.Schorr, Please be reminded that dealing with this obvious law enforcement reinforced sociopathic drive to harass, stalk, and flat out torture, with no end in sight, is something no one should have to put up with. This residency has already spent too much time and money trying to stop the S/Ws and their law enforcement prototection. Something should have been done at the very beginning. It is not as if victims still dealing with the problem can and just go away making it easier for everyone who caused it. Thank you. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-21-10.Town Talk:The Chief probably should consider 'retiring'. Both Ofc. Hawkins and Cmdr.M.Oh are much better at lying, protecting and clearing. They did get in that horrific first five and one half years with absolutely no one stopping them. And they cost less.The Chief's salary is too high to have had him spending all that time and years trying to continue that policy. It may have been 'uncomfortable', as a new Chief, to have had to try to confront Cmdr. M.Oh, Det.L.Hawkins, and the S/Ws in their own city, but he still shouldn't have continued as if there would never be any complaints or ramifications. Obvious is obvious. That three years stuck talking to him while the SWs continued harassing, stalking ,and frankly torturing, with even a Circuit Court Sett.Agree. to prevent it, while he flim flamed and lied, badly, very badly, are something that no one should ever have had to put up with. cc: web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
"Clean up the Swamp!" "The most important govt. job is public safety!"
"Someone Else Spend $30,000.00!"
Note added 7-22-10.When Cmdr. C Marchitello was the acting chief, see web audio ,the S/Ws did pretty much stay off of us except for short screaming threats and references.and they did not get their harassing patrolcar visits againt this residency. However their horrific, loud, screaming, banging, etc., family fights for hours, continued inside both their blds., in their front and backyards, and while they trespassed in between the garages entering and exiting from their backyard to N.E. 35th Ct. As explained, a fence wasn't put up there as they were, as routine, smashing the interior backyard fence and were already not as much but too much hitting the diagonal fence and gate coming off this garage and were standing right up to that diagonal fence to trespass and harass. I did thank Cmdr.Marchitello for that 'rest' period. Then it went back to what is was before. Hawkins/Oh./Com.Lias. instated policies. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-21-10.LHP Commissioner and Candidate for County Commissioner, C.LaMarca,
When will you address the decade stalking and harassing situation in LHP? Would it be more advisible for Det./Ofc.L Hawkins to do this for you? Campaign slogans and rhetoic such as "Clean up the swamp!" and "The most important gvt. job is public safety." don't suffice. Thank you. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog. www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click BLOG on the homepage for 08,08,10 email updates.
7-23-10.Re:. Candidate and LHP Commissioner C.LaMarca. Perhaps, along with Ofc.Hawkins . Atty.E.Bruce Johnson could address the decade harassing and stalking situation in LHP. He had a lot a pull with LHP in keeping the situation cleared and continuing. cc: web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-25-10. Anyone still arguing that the S/Ws and their law enfor. should have been cleared and allowed to continue for a decade should consider their position while listening to the audio. 6-14-04 is typical. Andy had tried to move the portable sprinklers on the north and west side of this property, not the interior strip between the property, and Lori decided to start lying that he had chased her down the road. At least the neighbor across the street didn't lie about that for them. Lori screams, bangs, threatens, trespasses,and taunts.She refers to 'that Dectective' who shouldn't been urging her on by covering for them She sprays this backyard.The singing at the end of that tape isn't the really bad 'screech singing' she did for hours.That is on other tapes The six foot shadowbox backyard interior fence was a good barrier for her to go back and forth to and stand right up to to harsass,when she wasn't tresspassing to do it. All this and all the antics of all the S/Ws was protected and cleared by the Hawkins/Oh/Com.Lias policies for over five and one half years and then later by the Chief for over three.The Atty.E Bruce Johnson argument the the city is not responsible for the negligent act of govt. workers just served to keep the S/Ws and their law enfor.cleared and continuing There are better things to do than to spend all that time and $30,000.00 trying to stop the S/Ws and their law enfor.,while putting up with it. The only thing that worked,works are the emailings, website, blog, and sending the documents.None of that should have been necessary This should have been handled in a maximum of six months.
6-28-02 is typical, but not the worst,of the deliberate, made blasting, repetitive tape/cd/radio/noice harsassment technique. Lori simultaneously blasts the made 'ping ping' tapes, an ethnic radio station, and taunts.-She also made tapes of her taunting,some set to music so she didn't have to come outside to do it herself- She then has her fake, controlled, hysterical fit to blame us and John does yell and blame us.
Then,the S/Ws 'continuing usual harassment was to send patrolcars over here to say we were harassing them, so on top of putting up with whatever the S/Ws wanted to do,we had to put up with their patrolcars and we never knew when they would be showing up as we had no control over the reasons they would show up. 6-29-02.We are trying to barbeque and use the pool with adults and children here.The S/Ws deliberately really blast an ethnic radio station.The children seem loud but the tape recordeder is only 1-2 feet away from them.
This made cd/noise repetitive harassmernt technique was used extensively fort the entire holiday season 07 and for all of 08, that intolerable repetitive part really focused on, used with an instated Circuit Court Sett.Agree./Injuuction to stop and prevent it, while the S/Ws gloated they couldn't be stopped.
The S/Ws and their law enfor.were cleared and continued for the first five and one half years, Hawkins/Oh/ComLias. policies and then for over three years by the Chief, and still are,so they can just start up again, Good leverage for daring to complain about all this.
Again, anyone still arguing that the S/Ws and their law enfor. should have been cleared and allowed to continue for over a decade should really pay attention. The whitewashes don't suffice.These are only a few of the routine incidents. cc:web,blog.All final editing done on the blog.
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There is a problem that people have and are dying who hadn't and haven't set foot on this property in years.The Sett.Agree.should have made it ok to have company again, but the Chief had other ideas-'the S/Ws and their law enfor.hadn't done anything wrong and still weren't'.-The over year long extensively used blasting deliberate repetitive cd/ technique ,08,with the S/Ws' harassment patrolcars sent here was again another intolerable situation after the eight years previous. See emails.cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog.
7-30-10. If anyone from the Candidate LaMarca staff is still trying to say he was unaware of the decade situation, please be reminded that the neighbor across the street, LHP Beautification Committee, who watched and listened to the S/Ws for years before they targeted this residency and for years after they targeted this residency, endorsed, campaigned for, and had a victory party for the LaMarca LHP Commissioner race.This is a small city Waving around whitewash paperwork may get you off the hook within the framework of LHP, but whitewash paperwork is not running for office. A candidate is running for office who, with his staff, could hypothetically still try to say he knew nothing about all this while waving around whitewash paperwork. Taxpayers footed the bill to continue and clear this decade situation which never should have happened. His position holding friends from this city should just stick to getting their pictures taken at restaurant openings. cc:web,blog. All final editing done on the blog. www.lighthousepointflorida.net/ Click blog on the homepage for the 08,09,10 email updates ."Clean Up the Swamp!" "Win With Oblivion!'' "Somebody Else Spend $30,000.00!'
'7-31-10.Sat.afternoon. Andy spent about two hours trimming the trees on the south and west side of this backyard,not on the the interior border.Tree trimmers had been paid a few weeks ago to do that. I was outside with him. Lori was really irked and went back and forth between their two bldgs. and was screaming inside the main house. However, Mr.Starr did not come out to 'yell talk' with her or urge her on to 'yell talk'
Note:-He has been aware of and had been loudly complaining about the legal ramifications and liabilities of the Sett.Agree., which he knows they violated from the beginning and he doesn't want to pay fines. Lori was loudly complaining that she would get caught lying on any investigative police report and would be fined for lying on the report.Mr. Starr's loud schooling on how to get around that didn't seem to reassure her that she could do it.There is no statute of limitations. However, the S/Ws had law enfor.and the Chief protecting them from any ramifications anyway.The Sett.Agree.was necessary among other things to counteract the law enfor. policy of protecting the S/Ws while the incidents were going on and then saying it 'was in the past'. It could, in those years, be predicted that anything happening in the future would be immediately said was 'in the past' after it was over.-
7-31-10 Cont. Mr.Starr did not come out with Lori that afternoon during the trimming. Evening. Andy and I were in the pool later than usual and were talking more the usual. Remember,talking was not allowed and there was immediate retaliation.This is a new thing to be able to use the pool and talk in it. Then at approx. 11P.M., Lori and John came out to use the pool and to 'yell talk' consistently for over two hours.This was immediately noticed by the volume and consistency.I did go outside to look.This was deliberate. John is very,very loud, and this is not an easy thing to do for over two hours.This was deliberate. This is not just a crank complaint.
This is determined bad mindset which is very,very unnerving. They might have been taping to say they were not threatening, banging, taunting, etc. The last time, insert date, Andy and I tried to use the pool in the afternoon and Mr,Starr and Lori immediately came out to 'yell talk', John also stormed out of their studio apt., slammed that door, made a dramatic gesture he was turning on some device, on and consistently 'yell talked' for 45 minutes. Pretty obvious. John had protection for years and years to trespass, harass, stalk, threaten,lie, taunt,etc. anyone on this property and to do it to me while I was alone.He gloated about it. He wants to continue. Bad reinforced mindset. Bad product. The website and blog will have to be kept up for a long,long time for protection and referral.
When Candidate LaMarca is asked about the decade harassing, stalking, and clearing situation in LHP, he should have Atty.E. Bruce Johnson with him. His argument, after the instated Sett.Agree.,was used, kept the S/Ws and their law enfor, cleared and continuing for years. He does seem to keep popping up.With a larger audience, he does not seem to have or produce such a determined, selective view to cover or prop up the wrong things.Where did he show up? Oh that's right, at some sort of ethic's thing meant for other people.
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The audio description for 5-24-04 needs to be corrected. It has already been done somewhere in this blog. It will be reposted it.When the website was put up, it was a large endeavor with hours of cassettes/audio. I didn't have a lot of computer savvy then, and have never gone back into the website to add anything or to correct grammatical mistakes so as not to disturb anything.Thank you.
8-3-10.The decade.It still is remarkable that anyone would think anyone would just put up with all of this and not complain and not try to stop it, and there would be no ramifications. This, "We does whats we wants! We is in charge!" attitude should never have been the controlling attitude. The S/Ws' attitude and methods were bad enough.